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    I realize news travels slowly to Cape Breton , but Canada is stopping production of the penny - which is only a few percent copper these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    Hey dumbass, what about adhesive and finish?

    By the way, where are you getting your "$1.44 sqft" number from? Oh, okay 12x12 sqft blocks of pennies, no shit, I had no idea that pennies were a fucking inch in diameter.

    I don't know what country you're finding your pennies in but in the USA and Canada they're 3/4" in diameter which means you need at least 256 (16x16) of them to cover a square foot, not 144 which is $2.56 sqft (your price almost doubled, didn't it?) and like I said, that still doesn't include adhesive and whatever expensive epoxy you plan on sealing/covering it with.

    Of course it's also highly illegal to use currency like this in the United States, check "TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17, 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins" of the US Code and see what can happen to one's sorry ass if they get caught.
    Bill - hate to say it, but on one DIY channel "Bath Crashers" episode they used pennies to create a "unique" section of a bathroom floor. I suppose they would be subject to TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17, 331 of the USC, however I believe the federal government is apparently more focused on other violations at this time since I've not seen the shows producers being carted away in handcuffs...

    Just sayin'....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingFish View Post
    These studded tiles are the rubber flooring I am interested in. I actually like the idea of a commercial look to the kitchen floor. We had thought about cement floor, but don't think we could support the weight.
    Forget all this other static...any movement on this yet? Leaning any one direction? Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heftysmokes View Post
    Maybe he's just squishing them, like those souvenir penny machines?


    Actually, this got me curious and a little digging turned up this:

    As you are already aware, a federal statute in the criminal code of the United States (18 U.S.C. 331), indeed makes it illegal if one "fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales or lightens" any U.S. coin. However, being a criminal statute, a fraudulent intent is required for violation. Thus, the mere act of compressing coins into souvenirs is not illegal, without other factors being present.

    Section 475, which you refer to in your letter, regarding the attachment of notice or advertisement to legal tender, does not apply to your souvenirs in this case. Your are not impressing or attaching a business or professional card, notice or advertisement to a coin, your are simply making an impression on the coin.

    We hope this information answers your question. If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us.

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    I actually did, on the vanity in the kids' bathroom, the same thing they did on the floor. And if they did theirs like I did my vanity, they didn't "alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales or lightens" the pennies. They are encased, but not destroyed in any way. I suppose if I was really in a bind for a 12 pack I could dig out the $17 worth of pennies.
    That's a very strange interpretation of the US Code and I don't believe it to be correct. This Gubin guy is saying that "fraudulently" applies to everything after it meaning:

    "fraudulently alters"
    "fraudulently defaces"
    "fraudulently mutilates"
    "fraudulently impair"
    etc.,

    which is bullshit.

    The way the code reads is:

    "fraudulently alters"
    "defaces"
    "mutilates"
    "impairs"
    "diminishes"
    etc.,

    so it certainly can be interpreted to mean that making impressions on coins or using them as flooring material is in violation of the code. Anyone can use that Gubin guy's letter as justification for violating the code but it's going to cost you lost of money in attorney fees if someone decides they want to make a "federal case" out of it.

    As for me, I'll pass and as I said earlier regarding using pennies as a floor covering material, it's not very cost effective never mind looking like crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese View Post
    Bill - hate to say it, but on one DIY channel "Bath Crashers" episode they used pennies to create a "unique" section of a bathroom floor. I suppose they would be subject to TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17, 331 of the USC, however I believe the federal government is apparently more focused on other violations at this time since I've not seen the shows producers being carted away in handcuffs...

    Just sayin'....
    Trading with the Enemy Act (buying Cuban cigars) is illegal too but you're right the federal government is apparently more focused on other violations at this time since I've not seen anyone being carted away in handcuffs for buying Cuban cigars but just because you and I haven't seen this happen doesn't mean that it can't. I drove 85 mph down Route 2 in Glastonbury & Hebron yesterday for twenty minutes and I didn't get a speeding ticket either. I also threw a gum wrapper out of the window.

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    Ya, what the fuck does this Gubin guy know anyway, he's only legal counsel to the United States mint.
    http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/?action=policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    Hey dumbass, what about adhesive and finish?

    By the way, where are you getting your "$1.44 sqft" number from? Oh, okay 12x12 sqft blocks of pennies, no shit, I had no idea that pennies were a fucking inch in diameter.

    I don't know what country you're finding your pennies in but in the USA and Canada they're 3/4" in diameter which means you need at least 256 (16x16) of them to cover a square foot, not 144 which is $2.56 sqft (your price almost doubled, didn't it?) and like I said, that still doesn't include adhesive and whatever expensive epoxy you plan on sealing/covering it with.

    Of course it's also highly illegal to use currency like this in the United States, check "TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17, 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins" of the US Code and see what can happen to one's sorry ass if they get caught.
    Costwise, this is still on par with other flooring prices. I'm doing some eng. hardwood that's $3 finished. Add labor, you're probably up around $4. Unfinished will get you to about $4, while reconditioning, you'll be at around $3 - $3.50

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    Quote Originally Posted by heftysmokes View Post
    Ya, what the fuck does this Gubin guy know anyway, he's only legal counsel to the United States mint.
    http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/?action=policy
    No he's not, he left 12 years ago, get your facts straight. And as I said before, he gave his opinion on an issue regarding putting impressions on coins which is different from other violations of the code that could be interpreted differently by whoever wants to make a "federal case" out of it, or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    No he's not, he left 12 years ago, get your facts straight. And as I said before, he gave his opinion on an issue regarding putting impressions on coins which is different from other violations of the code that could be interpreted differently by whoever wants to make a "federal case" out of it, or not.
    Yep, my mistake there.
    Aside from that, how are the coins being mutilated or destroyed? They're being encased in plastic, and if someone wanted to put the work in, they could dig the damn things out and go to town on every penny gumball machine in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badwhale View Post
    Costwise, this is still on par with other flooring prices. I'm doing some eng. hardwood that's $3 finished. Add labor, you're probably up around $4. Unfinished will get you to about $4, while reconditioning, you'll be at around $3 - $3.50

    I'll leave the opinion of if it looks like shit or not to the individual.
    "Finishing" hardwood and "finishing" this stupid coin floor idea are two completely different methods. You don't just put a couple of coats of polyurethane over the coins and call it a day, you'll need to use some kind of expensive epoxy bar type finish like those used by people on bar tops and that stuff ain't cheap. Besides that, it won't stand up for use on a floor and will look like crap after a couple of weeks of use. You also have an added cost of some type of sub-floor material on which to attach the coins.

    So this is NOT "on par" with other flooring prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    "Finishing" hardwood and "finishing" this stupid coin floor idea are two completely different methods. You don't just put a couple of coats of polyurethane over the coins and call it a day, you'll need to use some kind of expensive epoxy bar type finish like those used by people on bar tops and that stuff ain't cheap. Besides that, it won't stand up for use on a floor and will look like crap after a couple of weeks of use. You also have an added cost of some type of sub-floor material on which to attach the coins.

    So this is NOT "on par" with other flooring prices.
    Huh? That makes no sense. A floor is a floor is a floor.....Marble costs more than concrete. Who gives a fuck if they require "different methods". Cost is cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heftysmokes View Post
    Yep, my mistake there.
    Aside from that, how are the coins being mutilated or destroyed? They're being encased in plastic, and if someone wanted to put the work in, they could dig the damn things out and go to town on every penny gumball machine in town.
    You're free to make your case to whoever you need to make that case to if you ever get caught up in someone accusing you of violating the federal code, I'm not going to argue with you about it. I'm simply of the opinion that it isn't worth walking into that grey area of potentially getting yourself in trouble as remote as the possibility may be, it still exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashauler View Post
    Huh? That makes no sense. A floor is a floor is a floor.....Marble costs more than concrete. Who gives a fuck if they require "different methods". Cost is cost.
    Huh? It makes perfect sense. He was trying to claim this penny idea was "on par" with finished hardwood floors or three to four dollars per square foot and that's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    Huh? It makes perfect sense. He was trying to claim this penny idea was "on par" with finished hardwood floors or three to four dollars per square foot and that's not true.
    How do you know that? Do you have a penny floor?
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    As long as your coin is well-affixed to the subfloor, you could splash a couple coats of poly on it and be good to go. I'd hate to try to clean the filth in all the cracks between the pennies, but you could do it on the cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    "Finishing" hardwood and "finishing" this stupid coin floor idea are two completely different methods. You don't just put a couple of coats of polyurethane over the coins and call it a day, you'll need to use some kind of expensive epoxy bar type finish like those used by people on bar tops and that stuff ain't cheap. Besides that, it won't stand up for use on a floor and will look like crap after a couple of weeks of use. You also have an added cost of some type of sub-floor material on which to attach the coins.

    So this is NOT "on par" with other flooring prices.
    Yes it is. I think "on-par" could go up to $5/SF and still be a vaild statement. There are domestic and exotic hardwood floors that exceed that SF prcie. If it tripled the SF price, then no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashauler View Post
    How do you know that? Do you have a penny floor?
    I don't need to have a penny floor to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
    I don't need to have a penny floor to know that.
    Really? How?

    I don't have a penny floor, so I admit I have no idea how much it would actually cost to install or have installed for me. Hard wood I got....carpet I got....tile I got, so I could speak with reasonable intelligence about those kind of costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heftysmokes View Post
    As long as your coin is well-affixed to the subfloor, you could splash a couple coats of poly on it and be good to go. I'd hate to try to clean the filth in all the cracks between the pennies, but you could do it on the cheap.

    Just sayin'
    No, you're NOT going to "be good to go" by "splash(ing) a couple of coats of poly on it" and end up with a result that is acceptable for anything other than a tree fort. This would be totally unacceptable to what the author of this thread is looking to do which is for ideas for a KITCHEN FLOOR (talk about the highest traffic area in any house other than a tree fort) in an old house that he's renovating for his use and probably trying to add value to his home for future resale as opposed to the tree fort which kids will lose interest in next year.

    If you want to "do it on the cheap" you could put down carpeting too like George suggested or hell, just leave 3/4" CDX sub floor! Both of those alternatives are better than just gluing down pennies and splashing a couple of coat of MinWax on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashauler View Post
    Really? How?

    I don't have a penny floor, so I admit I have no idea how much it would actually cost to install or have installed for me. Hard wood I got....carpet I got....tile I got, so I could speak with reasonable intelligence about those kind of costs.

    Oh I see, so according to you the only way for anyone in the world to "speak with reasonable intelligence" about anything is if they've done it first hand themselves, right? Well I don't agree with you. I can speak with "reasonable intelligence" about this particular topic because I have experience with installing floors, I have experience with epoxy bar tops and the cost of the product to produce that and I have a step son who has been installing floors for over ten years who know more than anyone else here who's weighing in on the subject and I've had conversations with him about this topic.

    So yeah Jamie, I feel I can speak with "reasonable intelligence about those kind of costs." Is that good enough for you?

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