Floor Coverings - Ahh Yeah!

[heftysmokes]

No, you're NOT going to "be good to go" by "splash(ing) a couple of coats of poly on it" and end up with a result that is acceptable for anything other than a tree fort. This would be totally unacceptable to what the author of this thread is looking to do which is for ideas for a KITCHEN FLOOR (talk about the highest traffic area in any house other than a tree fort) in an old house.

If you want to "do it on the cheap" you could put down carpeting too like George suggested or hell, just leave 3/4" CDX sub floor! Both of those alternatives are better than just gluing down pennies and splashing a couple of coat of MinWax on it.

In your opinion. I, myself, enjoy exceptionally filthy kitchen floors. Where else are the mice and kids going to get their nourishment?

In all seriousness, and not trying to stir up shit, but what difference in wear, look (aside from the obvious), and functionality would there be in properly polyuerethaning a hardwood floor versus a penny floor be? Doesn't the poly do the same job regardless of what kind of surface it is covering? I'm not asking this to argue, I'm asking because I have zero experience with hardwood floors or poly and genuinely don't know)

[ashauler]

Oh I see, so according to you the only way for anyone in the world to "speak with reasonable intelligence" about anything is if they've done it first hand themselves, right? Well I don't agree with you. I can speak with "reasonable intelligence" about this particular topic because I have experience with installing floors, I have experience with epoxy bar tops and the cost of the product to produce that and I have a step son who has been installing floors for over ten years who know more than anyone else here who's weighing in on the subject and I've had conversations with him about this topic.

So yeah Jamie, I feel I can speak with "reasonable intelligence about those kind of costs." Is that good enough for you?

Cool, we don't agree. I'm shocked, but I'll get over it. Yes, I think you should have some experience on which to base your opinion before you call it a fact.
That would be kinda like calling a cigar I've never smoked a "shit stick".

[CoventryCat86]

In your opinion. I, myself, enjoy exceptionally filthy kitchen floors. Where else are the mice and kids going to get their nourishment?

In all seriousness, and not trying to stir up shit, but what difference in wear, look (aside from the obvious), and functionality would there be in properly polyuerethaning a hardwood floor versus a penny floor be? Doesn't the poly do the same job regardless of what kind of surface it is covering? I'm not asking this to argue, I'm asking because I have zero experience with hardwood floors or poly and genuinely don't know)

Because the poly you would use to finish or refinish a new or existing hardwood floor wouldn't work in this application. You need something that winds up with some sort of thickness to it like the epoxy type products used for bar tops where it fills in the spaces between the pennies. That's exactly what was used in the examples that the mock guy gave from that website he gave a link to. The only way you're not going to end up with it cracking is if you put your pennies over concrete first as any kind of wood sub floor would move around too much causing the epoxy to crack and break up. So no Will you do have to account for a more costly sub floor contrary to what you may be thinking.

[heftysmokes]

Ok.
I did exactly that for the vanity in the kid's bathroom; used a two part epoxy to cover the pennies and create a smooth surface.

I still contend you could use a poly over the pennies, you'd just have to deal with shit getting in the grooves, sorta like grout lines on the FUCKING BASTARD OF A TILE FLOOR IN MY KITCHEN!!!


Whew, that kind of snuck up on me there.

[CoventryCat86]

Cool, we don't agree. I'm shocked, but I'll get over it. Yes, I think you should have some experience on which to base your opinion before you call it a fact.
That would be kinda like calling a cigar I've never smoked a "shit stick".

I've never smoke Garcia Y Vegas or a hundred other gas station cigars made with homogenized wrappers but I have enough experience with other cigars and enough knowledge about how they're made to call them "shit sticks"

I don't remember "calling anything a fact" regarding the penny floor idea but like I said before I believe I can speak with "reasonable intelligence" on the topic and you don't agree with that which is fine with me.

[badwhale]

Because the poly you would use to finish or refinish a new or existing hardwood floor wouldn't work in this application. You need something that winds up with some sort of thickness to it like the epoxy type products used for bar tops where it fills in the spaces between the pennies. That's exactly what was used in the examples that the mock guy gave from that website he gave a link to. The only way you're not going to end up with it cracking is if you put your pennies over concrete first as any kind of wood sub floor would move around too much causing the epoxy to crack and break up. So no Will you do have to account for a more costly sub floor contrary to what you may be thinking.

By the way, if you leave 1/4" gap between the pennies, you would need 12x12=144/((.75+.25)/2)^2*pi = 183 pennies. Placement could be acomplished a cement board, using a roll on epoxy with a jig something like the game connect 4. Once placed, you could use poly grout between the pennies to fill up the surface. Next, apply the bar top epoxy you're talking about, and since I'm talking out my ass, you would be near the same price as say a cherry or hickory hardwood floor.

The labor is what is going to kill you on this floor, not the materials.

I think bmock posted up that blog as kind of a "hey this is cool, check this out" rather than a serious alternative for a kitchen floor. Kinda like cork and carpet were also mentioned. Who the hell has carpet in their kitchen?

I'm waiting to hear what fightingfish is actually thinking about using.

[CoventryCat86]

Ok.
I did exactly that for the vanity in the kid's bathroom; used a two part epoxy to cover the pennies and create a smooth surface.

I still contend you could use a poly over the pennies, you'd just have to deal with shit getting in the grooves, sorta like grout lines on the FUCKING BASTARD OF A TILE FLOOR IN MY KITCHEN!!!


Whew, that kind of snuck up on me there.

The product you use for vanity tops and bar tops is most likely inadequate for use as a floor finish. You could try using regular polyurethane over pennies and not have the smooth surface like your vanity top but how long do you think it will take for the pennies to start to become unglued in a kitchen? I'd say no more than a week. We never did discuss the cost of what kind of epoxy you'd need to use in this case but that ain't cheap either.

[CoventryCat86]

By the way, if you leave 1/4" gap between the pennies, you would need 12x12=144/((.75+.25)/2)^2*pi = 183 pennies. Placement could be acomplished a cement board, using a roll on epoxy with a jig something like the game connect 4. Once placed, you could use poly grout between the pennies to fill up the surface. Next, apply the bar top epoxy you're talking about, and since I'm talking out my ass, you would be near the same price as say a cherry or hickory hardwood floor.

The labor is what is going to kill you on this floor, not the materials.

I think bmock posted up that blog as kind of a "hey this is cool, check this out" rather than a serious alternative for a kitchen floor. Kinda like cork and carpet were also mentioned. Who the hell has carpet in their kitchen?

I'm waiting to hear what fightingfish is actually thinking about using.

What is "cement board"?

I think fightingfish forgot about this thread long ago and the mock guy has been resurrecting old threads just for the sport of it, not really with the intent of adding any meaningful content of any value.

[CoventryCat86]

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Wassa matter, cat got your tongue?

[heftysmokes]

What is "cement board"?

Wait, this is a joke. Right?

[bmock50]

Hey dumbass, what about adhesive and finish?

By the way, where are you getting your "$1.44 sqft" number from? Oh, okay 12x12 sqft blocks of pennies, no shit, I had no idea that pennies were a fucking inch in diameter.

I don't know what country you're finding your pennies in but in the USA and Canada they're 3/4" in diameter which means you need at least 256 (16x16) of them to cover a square foot, not 144 which is $2.56 sqft (your price almost doubled, didn't it?) and like I said, that still doesn't include adhesive and whatever expensive epoxy you plan on sealing/covering it with.

Of course it's also highly illegal to use currency like this in the United States, check "TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17, 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins" of the US Code and see what can happen to one's sorry ass if they get caught.

Hey dumbass, see the squiggly line? That means its an APPROXIMATION.

[bmock50]

Wassa matter, cat got your tongue?

I had to read all your chatter!

I think bmock posted up that blog as kind of a "hey this is cool, check this out" rather than a serious alternative for a kitchen floor. Kinda like cork and carpet were also mentioned. Who the hell has carpet in their kitchen?

Exactly, it's not practical, but in some uses it would be cool.

[heftysmokes]

oh boy

[badwhale]

Hey dumbass, see the squiggly line? That means its an APPROXIMATION.

You were doing better by remaining silent.

Your approximation was just for the pennies, nothing else, which is misleading. A cool blog, IMHO, but misleading.

[bmock50]

I agree, and that's what I get for assuming nobody would take it seriously.

[ashauler]

Hey dumbass, see the squiggly line? That means its an APPROXIMATION.

Whale was right.......you should have remained silent.

[bmock50]

I thought about that, after I posted. Live and learn, whats done is done.

[CoventryCat86]

Wait, this is a joke. Right?

No seriously, I have no idea what "cement board" is. It's not a floor product I've ever heard of.

[heftysmokes]

No seriously, I have no idea what "cement board" is. It's not a floor product I've ever heard of.

Ah, ok. It's sometimes called backerboard; it's mostly used under tile as a subfloor.

[CoventryCat86]

Hey dumbass, see the squiggly line? That means its an APPROXIMATION.

Well, your "approximation" was so far off that you warranted being called a "dumbass."

If I said it was "~175 miles driving distance" from New York to Chicago when it's actually more like four to five times that, it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone called me a dumbass for making a statement as stupid and as dumb as that.

You on the other hand really don't have a good reason to call me one in this case you asshole.