My first ISOM

**CgarDan** · 06-08-2006, 06:13 PM

Thanks to anew friend up north I got my hands on a few ISOMs

Decided to start with a Partagas Shorts leaving the best for last

When I looked at it first I though ok too many veins but it does have a nice velvety feel with oily and brown wrapper. But how is that different from what I have smoked before especially with a length of about 5 and a ring gauge of around 40 - I have seen things more mpressive before. But keeping an open mind I started my journey

The cap is cut and the pre-light fraw is tighter than the non ISOMs but def not plugged.

I have infront of me a cup of very nice coffe and I am ready to light this one up. Amazingly the cigar does not bet burned a lot on the edges but maybe just a 1/5 of an inch all around perfect burn.

So I am ready to get hit with the strength of what I heard ISOMs are all about. Nothing of the kind. Just a nice smooth draw with hints of spice. One inch down I see very nice holding ash and all I get is pure smoothness and spices galore. Interesting thing is its not just spicy but a multitude of spices that keep changing from pull to pull. I already like this Now I get some hints of earth, wood, and leather. Ok this is interesting I am half way through this beauty so I will change it up a bit

Now I have a glass with 12 year old Mc'Callan scotch aged in cherry wood.

And just in time the cigar changes into a reall erthy herby type of taste, I smell a nice medow pine, and smoke but not the fire fire help me kind but like a nice smoked meat kind as the cigar turns to mere mellow nutty flavors now.

How can they get so many tastes and smells into such a little cigar.

Jim -- I am on a slippery slope indeed

No more writing I am going to take this one right to the fingers burning finish

**drew_goring** · 06-08-2006, 07:01 PM

You sure it wasn't a Partagas Petite Coronas Especiale?

Just checking...because although the two are common in size, they are completely different smokes.

Congrats on your first.

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by drew_goring

You sure it wasn't a Partagas Petite Coronas Especiale?

Just checking...because although the two are common in size, they are completely different smokes.

Congrats on your first.

I highly doubt it, the dimensions of these cigars are quite different from one another. A Petit Corona Especiales is a machine made cigar measuring 5 1/4 x 44 otherwise known as an "Eminentes" vitola. These cigars are almost impossible to find. On the other hand those horrible Partagas Shorts are a hand made cigar measuring 4 3/8 x 42 and are a "Minuto" vitola. Partagas Shorts are abundant and very popular. Personally I can't stand the friggin' things.

**drew_goring** · 06-08-2006, 07:52 PM

I personally would consider them close in size. It is quite difficult to tell an inch or so and 2 rg when they are not side to side...for me anyways.

Are the PCEs really that hard to find? I sure didn't have any trouble finding a box...

Originally Posted by my source

Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales
Partagás Cigars
hand made

I was under the assumption that they were handmade as well...

**Newfie** · 06-08-2006, 08:07 PM

Glad you enjoyed it Dan.

This was a Partagas Petite Corona I got in a box split with, ....... oh shit, what's his name ............ (he he he

)

Wasn't it Andrew??
EDIT:

I checked a couple of sites (like the link below) and they say it's "hand made". I know "Hencho a Mano" is spanish for "completely hand made", but I don't know how else to interpret "hand made".

EDIT #2:

Link removed at the valued advice of a senior BOTL.

Jim

**CgarDan** · 06-08-2006, 08:18 PM

Must have been Petite Coronas Especiale but could noit have been machine made -- too good for that

EDIT: By the way the prices from the link above are better than anything I have seen in Europe

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 09:31 PM

The Min Ron Nee book says the Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales are a machine made cigar that were slated to be discontinued in 2002. My HabanosSA information doesn't even list this cigar so I'm fairly certain that means they are discontinued. This vitola is no longer listed on the HabanosSA website.

Again, my literature and sources indicate these are machine made cigars. That's a whole lot more reliable than what some vendor claims. HabanosSA literature and sources for information are much more reliable then vendor claims.

Whether they were "good" or not is no proof to conclude they were not machine made. I've smoked lots of "great" machine made Cuban cigars and I've also smoked some average totally hand made Cuban cigars.

Partagas Petit Coronas are indeed hand made, they are 5 1/8 x 42, a "Mareva" vitola and have also been discontinued even though you can still buy them. My guess is that this is what you smoked.

There's no "e" at the end of "Petit"

I know the vendor you referenced Newfie lists those cigars on their site but have you checked with them to see if they actually have them in stock? That particular vendor lists many cigars on their website that they actually don't have in stock. How about you drew? Does your source actually have them in stock or merely listed on their site? Based on my experience, the Partagas PCEs are hard to find.

**Newfie** · 06-08-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

The Min Ron Nee book says the Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales are a machine made cigar that were slated to be discontinued in 2002. My HabanosSA information doesn't even list this cigar so I'm fairly certain that means they are discontinued. This vitola is no longer listed on the HabanosSA website.

Again, my literature and sources indicate these are machine made cigars. That's a whole lot more reliable than what some vendor claims. HabanosSA literature and sources for information are much more reliable then vendor claims.

Whether they were "good" or not is no proof to conclude they were not machine made. I've smoked lots of "great" machine made Cuban cigars and I've also smoked some average totally hand made Cuban cigars.

Partagas Petit Coronas are indeed hand made, they are 5 1/8 x 42, a "Mareva" vitola and have also been discontinued even though you can still buy them. My guess is that this is what you smoked.

There's no "e" at the end of "Petit"

CC, be assured I'm not trying to argue or disagree with you, I just want to better understand something I'm not really sure of.

Here's a clip from another site I use as a reference:

Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales

Partagás Cigars

Size: MAREVA 5" x 42 , 129 mm x 16.67 mm
Cigars per box: 25
Last Factory Code is AGL FEB 06 and was received on 8 May 06
This does not guarantee you will get the same code since stock is continuously changing.

Now, there's a couple of conflicts between what this vendor is saying, and your info, and I don't doubt you saying the sources you have are much more reliable than "some" vendors statements.

If you'd like me to PM you the page I got the above info from, please just ask and I will.

Jim.

PS:

There's no "e" at the end of "Petit"

I stand corrected. It's the French influence on our language here in Canada.

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 09:55 PM

Well THAT vendor is even more wrong than the first one. As I said, the Partagas Petit Coronas is a hand made, Mareva vitola measuring 5 1/8 x 42. And for the second time, the Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales is a machine made, Eminentes vitola measuring 5 1/4 x 44.

Now, there's a couple of conflicts

"Now there ARE a couple of conflicts" conflicts is plural.

It's the French influence on our language here in Canada.

"French" influence? I thought you were in Ontario, not Quebec.......

**CgarDan** · 06-08-2006, 10:02 PM

Newf and CC lets just have some drinks light a few great smokes and not really care about the little mis-namers. After all we enjoy the cigars not the labels that are on them

**Newfie** · 06-08-2006, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

snip...."Now there ARE a couple of conflicts" conflicts is plural.

"French" influence? I thought you were in Ontario, not Quebec.......

OK, I stand corrected once again. You a friggin' English teacher or something?

I am in Ontario. But our cursed history of a Socialist Government has forced the French language on us.

E.g.: You CAN NOT get a job with any governmental agency ANYWHERE in Canada unless you are bilingual. Imagine if anywhere in the States you had to speak Spanish to be able to get a job in any level of Government??

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by CgarDan

Newf and CC lets just have some drinks light a few great smokes and not really care about the little mis-namers. After all we enjoy the cigars not the labels that are on them

Don't sit there and talk about "little mis-namers" neither of you seem to know WTF you're talking about. I on the other hand think I do and have provided supporting evidence to get to the bottom of this.

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Newfie

OK, I stand corrected once again. You a friggin' English teacher or something?

I am in Ontario. But our cursed history of a Socialist Government has forced the French language on us.

E.g.: You CAN NOT get a job with any governmental agency ANYWHERE in Canada unless you are bilingual. Imagine if anywhere in the States you had to speak Spanish to be able to get a job in any level of Government??

No, I'm not a "friggin' English teacher or something." Don't get testy when you're wrong.

**Newfie** · 06-08-2006, 10:23 PM

Dan, CC and I were just busting balls for a laugh, or so I thought.

CC, take a pill and look at the smileys I put at the end of the statement.

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

No, I'm not a "friggin' English teacher or something." Don't get testy when you're wrong.

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

snip... neither of you seem to know WTF you're talking about. I on the other hand think I do and have provided supporting evidence to get to the bottom of this.

I'm not getting testy at all, but it sure seems you are. I'll quote myself:

Originally Posted by Newfie

CC, be assured I'm not trying to argue or disagree with you, I just want to better understand something I'm not really sure of....snip

CC, us Noobs look to FOGs like you to learn some of what you know. Do I (or probably the majority of members here) know even a fraction of what you know about cigars?? No, and I don't think I'm saying that. We don't expect to get shit on when we ask for some advice.

Peace.

Jim

**CoventryCat86** · 06-08-2006, 10:44 PM

Once again, you're acting snotty and it's very unbecoming.

CC, take a pill

Hmmmm, with that statement I really feel like telling you to go fuck yourself but I'll refrain from saying that. Do you REALLY think that telling me to "take a pill" was not out of line?

We don't expect to get shit on when we ask for some advice.

Uh, where did you ask for "advice" and get "shit on" here? You're out of line here. Hint, quit while you're behind.

**drew_goring** · 06-08-2006, 10:49 PM

CC, I have nothing but the uttermost respect for you, but in this case I think you are either wrong, or we are both on a different page. In front of me I have a box that the Partagas Petit Coronas Especiales came from. On the side it says "Made By Hand" and on the bottom burned it says "Totalmente a Mano"

The box code is FEB06. The is absolutely no question on the authenticity of these sticks.

I could post some pics, but dial up kind of sucks for things like that. Here are some pics of the box that I uploaded before I moved while I had DSL.

From what I understand the Partagas Petit Coronas were discontinued some time ago.

sorry I don't have a pic of the side where it says "25 - Petit Coronas Especiales"
Read near the bottom of this thread. The difference is explained to me.
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...howtopic=21554

edit to try to fix my spelling

**drew_goring** · 06-08-2006, 11:04 PM

Just to clarify...yes it may say something in the book about a machine made hard to find smoke, but what was the publish date of the book CC?

I know for a fact where that stick came from that Dan smoked, and I assure you that it was a Hand Made, Partagas Petit Coronas Especials made in February 2006.