New smoker - Fake cohibas?

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03-01-2009, 02:45 PM
the brain

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New smoker - Fake cohibas?

Hey Everyone, nice to meet you

I'm just learning about cigars, as i don't smoke, but im getting into it. Love to smell of fresh ciagrs and the rich flavour although i can only smoke about 1/4 of one before my mouth goes numb.

Would love a link to what i should be noticing while smoking. What makes a good one, ect.

Just got back from Cuba, bought some underground cigars, Monte Cristo's (actually legit cigars, store bought), romeo and juliets #2, and some Cohiba Eslendidos. Been reading about fakes cohiba's. the box i bought came with the stickers and such in the box. The labels and such all seem to pass. (was told they were back door factory, i was close to the factory, so maybe)

Any way i decided to dissect one as that seems to be the only way to tell. Here are the pics.

Fake's or the real deal. and would love a beginners guide.

- Brain
03-01-2009, 02:50 PM
Artyman1200

Look fake to me based on the overall quality of the packaging and the actual cigars...
03-01-2009, 03:07 PM
craig

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Originally Posted by the brain

Hey Everyone, nice to meet you

I'm just learning about cigars, as i don't smoke, but im getting into it. Love to smell of fresh ciagrs and the rich flavour although i can only smoke about 1/4 of one before my mouth goes numb.

Would love a link to what i should be noticing while smoking. What makes a good one, ect.

Just got back from Cuba, bought some underground cigars, Monte Cristo's (actually legit cigars, store bought), romeo and juliets #2, and some Cohiba Eslendidos. Been reading about fakes cohiba's. the box i bought came with the stickers and such in the box. The labels and such all seem to pass. (was told they were back door factory, i was close to the factory, so maybe)

Any way i decided to dissect one as that seems to be the only way to tell. Here are the pics.

Fake's or the real deal. and would love a beginners guide.

- Brain

Sorry, obvious fakes. In a real box, the cigars would all be, as much as possible, the same colour in each row (and the same size). Stickers in the box and not properly applied is also a dead giveaway, as is the poor condition of the leaf in the dissected cigar. Check out http://www.vitolas.net/ for basic fake-finding info.

Welcome to CigarSmokers!
03-01-2009, 03:24 PM
bigwhiteash

The label inside the box lid is a dead giveaway... looks like it was cut out with safety scissors.

Also, the bands are placed way too far from the head of the cigars.

There sure have been a lot of fake Esplendidos going around lately.. sorry you had to end up with one.
03-01-2009, 03:55 PM
the brain

that sucks

Well luckly i've learned a thing or two, hopefully their still ok to smoke, as i said, i dont know much about cigars, but at least i have real Monte Cristo's.

Read a cool story about the whole fake Cuban cigar trade
http://www.elbuenhabano.com/habano/n...nglish&puroid=

Anyone have anymore links where i can learn about how to distuingish about flavour and all the different knowledge about cigar tasting. eg. like "how to taste wine"
03-01-2009, 04:32 PM
bigwhiteash

Live and Learn :smiley2:

At least, since you purchased them in Cuba, they're likely made of Cuban tobaccos... So they're not technically fake Cubans.. just fake COHIBAS! :smiley36:

I say smoke them, if you enjoy them, then it's not a total loss. Just please be sure not to distribute or trade them in any way except to that A-hole neighbor or father-in-law.
03-01-2009, 04:57 PM
the brain

hahaha well said sir
03-01-2009, 04:58 PM
guado

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Originally Posted by bigwhiteash

Live and Learn :smiley2:

At least, since you purchased them in Cuba, they're likely made of Cuban tobaccos... So they're not technically fake Cubans.. just fake COHIBAS! :smiley36:

I say smoke them, if you enjoy them, then it's not a total loss. Just please be sure not to distribute or trade them in any way except to that A-hole neighbor or father-in-law.

I'm with this guy! :smiley20:
03-01-2009, 06:45 PM
597

Like everyone has mentioned thus far, they do seem to be fake. I would say so just by looking at the placement of the band on the cigar, I'm pretty sure the real one are a little higher up towards the end of the cigar.
03-01-2009, 06:57 PM
kevin7

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...ba_genuine.gif

Real
03-01-2009, 07:22 PM
Artyman1200

In addition to the website craig listed cigaraficionado has a real vs fake cigar band comparison
03-01-2009, 08:32 PM
MasterCylinder

I may be wrong about this, but isn't there a higher risk of getting beetles with the fake ones? Just in case, I'd be keeping those seperate from my other smokes...
03-01-2009, 09:10 PM
Eville

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Originally Posted by MasterCylinder

I may be wrong about this, but isn't there a higher risk of getting beetles with the fake ones? Just in case, I'd be keeping those seperate from my other smokes...

This is a reasonable suspicion and a very good tip.
03-02-2009, 06:03 PM
the brain

Are beetles very common, and how do i tell if they have beetles. Cant say i want to smoke them.
03-02-2009, 06:38 PM
597

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Originally Posted by the brain

Are beetles very common, and how do i tell if they have beetles. Cant say i want to smoke them.

If you keep your cigars in the right humidity and temperature you won't have to worry about beetles. So long as your cigars don't go above 70' F the beetles won't be able to hatch. If you do have beetles you will notice holes in the wrapper of the cigar, and if they are in your humidor they will likely destroy your smokes.
03-02-2009, 06:40 PM
badwhale

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Originally Posted by 597

If you keep your cigars in the right humidity and temperature you won't have to worry about beetles. So long as your cigars don't go above 70' F the beetles won't be able to hatch. If you do have beetles you will notice holes in the wrapper of the cigar, and if they are in your humidor they will likely destroy your smokes.

God that would suck. I just imagined all my smokes ruined. I would consider quitting smoking cigars after a devestaing blow like that. Maybe that's rash.

Will
03-02-2009, 08:44 PM
craig

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Originally Posted by 597

If you keep your cigars in the right humidity and temperature you won't have to worry about beetles. So long as your cigars don't go above 70' F the beetles won't be able to hatch. If you do have beetles you will notice holes in the wrapper of the cigar, and if they are in your humidor they will likely destroy your smokes.

64 degrees now, according to the latest article I could find: http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/...41_87/_article

Tobacco beetle eggs and pupae are in/on a lot of tobacco. Most manufacturers fumigate their tobacco constantly and/or freeze the cigars prior to purchase by consumers.

Some people take the extra step of freezing all cigars that they buy. I'll freeze custom rolls and any boxes of cigars brought back from Cuba. It is a PITA, but beetles are worse ... :smiley29:
03-03-2009, 07:33 PM
the brain

ok awesome advice, i'll freeze them until my humidor arrives.
03-04-2009, 12:10 AM
ggiese

I hope you didn't pay any more than a buck or two a piece. They're the most incredibly looking fakes I've ever seen - they look like they're fakes of a fake!!! :smiley40: