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And how would I know that you "roll with it pretty well"? After all, you haven't even been here for 3 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
And here we go again with yet another passive aggressive observation of our board, or maybe I'm just not reading closely enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
Seems badwhale's a little over defensive. For me bringing up hazing to be passive aggressive, there would have to be something wrong with hazing. Do you think there's something wrong with the hazing you've done that makes it bad?
I don't think you understand this board well enough to be making blanket statements about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
I don't think you know me enough to make assumptions about a supposed hidden agenda in my posts. Base your judgments on what I say, not what you in your paranoia think I mean. You'll look smarter that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
Now who's overly defensive?Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
You failed your hazing.
Hardly, my friend. I'm just getting started. What you did there might have worked on someone who didn't know how to argue, but the you're-wrong-and-I-win defense is a clear sign that you've got nothing left in your tank. Unfortunately for you, I'm not new to heated debate and spirited argument. But if you let me help you, I can make you better at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
Incidentally, what you should have done was latch on to where I said you'll look smarter and ask if I'm calling you dumb. It is very difficult to defend against an accusation that one is making personal attacks and forces them to actively take the defensive. Once a person is only denying, they've lost.
So...Who won the contest? :smiley36:
Heh. You should rethink your position. What I have noticed is common for you, friend, is your penchant to confuse your perception with fact. Further, there are ample examples easily found on Al Gore's interweb.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
This is not the place for you to get your "freak on". Best for you to consider that very carefully before responding further.
Actually, I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m trying to tell you something.
Since you joined, you plopped your feet up on the couch and have been posting like you own the place. That’s all well and good, but when junior members start to point out how we’re just such a big bad asshat bashing board, it rubs me the wrong way, and tells me that they don’t really know what this board is about. Probably because they haven’t spent nearly enough time here to get to know everyone. Ya know, community? Also, I did mention that I don’t know anything about you. How could I? You’ve been here for such a short time.
You failed what you call “the inevitable hazing” because you immediately got defensive and insulting towards me in every following post. I just posted a simple question which you could have answered as such:
Not everyone gets poked or hazed or bashed on this board, because if they did then the namesake of the fanclub here would be right, which he isn’t. Yes, scammers / scumbags / trolls get shown the door promptly. Also, mistakes are made, and I’m humble enough to admit that I’m not perfect. Almost all newblets get their questions answered, and are usually welcomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
Lots of newbs get it wrong, that we’re a community bent on showing everyone the door, and only the thickest skinned, shit slingin’ hard asses remain. This isn’t true, as there have been many well adjusted people who have floated through and or remained here enjoying our community without a “hazing period”, nor a “hail of profanities”, and they took more than “half a minute on this forum” to get to know it / us.
Will
Again, so much defensiveness. I don't know why you guys are so quick to say, "That's not how it is," when you could just go, "That's what we are and we like it that way." I have neither accused you of wrongdoing nor judged you for anything I have seen. But all this denial is sad. Embrace who you are, gentlemen, because everyone sees it, and have fun with it.
Please, show me where I have been defensive? I'm assuming you're including me in your statement by your use of the word guys. You screwed the pooch here, no one else. Your response to badwhale's very simple and straight forward question is where you went wrong. I LMAO at the condescending tone you apparently like to take in your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
You, sir, have been given deference above and beyond most other newbs. For a couple of reasons, not the least of which is the person who invited you here...whose name you didn't hesitate to drop in your intro post. To me, that was your first insecure move. You should have just let him come on your thread and say he knows you, but instead you kinda forced him to. Transparent and weak.
If you look honestly at your participation on this board so far, you would see that you should have had your ass handed to you much earlier than this. You have arrogantly and condescendingly trampled all over the forum. You offer a false, psuedo apology for making one erroneous blanket statement only to follow that with additional "blanket observations" on how this forum works. Pretty sad when you think about it.
Back up a bit in this thread and explain to me to whom you were addressing this post:
http://www.cigarsmokers.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TommyTree http://www.cigarsmokers.com/images/b...post-right.png
Seems badwhale's a little over defensive. For me bringing up hazing to be passive aggressive, there would have to be something wrong with hazing. Do you think there's something wrong with the hazing you've done that makes it bad?
Clearly you're not addressing badwhale. Otherwise you would have begun with "Seems YOU'RE a little blah,blah,blah". Proselytizing to the audience perhaps?
You're up, I gotta go to lunch. :smiley4:
I don't know what to say. I've never been a victim of this public 'hazing' you seem to think all members endure. I guess I'm just too cool a guy. :smiley37:Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
I do find it interesting that you're so quick to have this place pegged, after less than 30 days and 100 posts, having not participated in any trade, pass, PIF or anything. Maybe I am the one who doesn't get it.
This is funny. Truth hurts every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
Look! Kendall agrees with you! Somehow his endorsment didn't work out for garryy, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
Eat my ass ,ShitbirdQuote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
You still have goats Paddy?
Will,Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
I was not endorsing anything. I just think it is funny.
Sure you were. You were endorsing the quote as "truth."Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
I don't know that I can add that much, ashauler. You ask for evidence of defensive behavior in your longest and most defensive post yet. If by "arrogance and condescension" you mean I never kissed the ring or the ass or whatever kinky shit you may want kissed, you're right, and I won't. My opinions so far have all been informed by experience and research, and I stand by them all, including my opinion that your behavior is defensive and sad. I defy you to go back and actually look at what's been said instead of jumping in on a discussion you clearly don't comprehend and make yourself look insecure and petty. While you say that I'm "transparent and weak," it's pretty clear that your words are coming from a place of insecurity. No need for such grand displays when you are right and confident and I am so weak.
Ah no. The post is truth and I said it was funny. That is an opinion.
You are a festering troll. That is the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
You just don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
Fester is your uncle. I am just simply one who enjoys riling you guys up on occasion. If that makes me a troll on a board that is full of insecure and aggressive men, then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
I think it is funny.
Yeah, you got me good. <facepalm smiley>Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
Tommy, what you don't get is that every argument you think you win, you lose standing in this community that's been around a lot longer than you have. It's up to you to decide what you want to contribute here. If you really knew what this place was all about, you'd know how to respond. Clearly you don't, yet.
This board is different than any other that I've seen because it actually holds the person to a higher regard than the topic. Sure, we're here to talk about a common passion, but we're primarily here to hang out in this community of fellow cigar (and pipe) lovers.
You've been around too short of a time to truly get the above. I've been here for a year and half, and while I think I understand it on a conceptual level, I know I'm not close to fully realizing it in action. That said, it's a slow (because deliberate) process that takes more than a year and half, let alone three weeks.
So from someone that has stuck his own foot in his mouth here and got what I deserved (and recovered): Sit down, shut up, and stick around.
Geesh, you don't do well with direct questions do you? Instead of, again, referring to my post as defensive, please, point out how you are classifying it as defensive. I classify it as a pointed statement, direct and to the point, accompanied by a couple of questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
I already went back in this thread, and again, asked you a direct and pointed question. You, sadly, continue to disappoint and refuse to answer.
Unfortunately for you, my comprehension is more complete and much quicker than yours is proving to be.
Jive Turkey, I appreciate your thoughts, but I respectfully disagree. If it takes a year and a half for people not to take your words out of context and then continue to argue with you about it even though they're wrong, then they aren't putting the person above the topic, they're elevating themselves. And, again, I never said there was anything wrong with that. Forgive me for seeing through the pretense, but it takes a year and a half to indoctrinate the new people, not to see what is actually going on here. I have no doubt that the members here care dearly about each other and have turned this into a brotherhood rather than a forum for those who have been here long enough to "get it." And that's fine. But there is clearly a fear of new people here that is driving this need to put them in their place. So was their someone who seemingly took over the forum with a dominating personality that makes you worried about it happening again? Just a guess, but this wouldn't be the first place I've seen that happen. And again, I don't put a negative connotation on any of this. I just believe in being honest about what's really going on. Because if the members here were really secure, they wouldn't need to get people to do things the "right way," because they would realize the forum is going to be what it's going to be. And maybe there would still be some hazing, which is what I suggested at the start, but it would be in good fun rather than out of the insecurity of the members. And you're going to try to say that I'm insecure and that I'm defensive and that I don't "get it," but we're grown men, and can't we be honest with each other? Even if the actions don't change — and I never said that I wanted to change anything — I think you would have a lot more fun if you went about this with honesty about your motives here.
He has this place pegged!Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
And again, you choose to ignore questions put directly to you, and instead opt to promote your view of the nature of this forum. No one here has taken your words out of context.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
What has happened here is very simple:
You were asked a direct, simple question.
You chose to answer it with a direct and personal attack.
Then you compounded your initial error by expanding your erroneous conclusions with this, expanding your attack to the general membership of the board:
"But maybe it's not that you didn't understand the thread. Maybe it's just my turn for the hazing that everyone seems to get. If that's the case, you'll find it hard to harass me. I roll with it pretty well. But please, keep trying."
Now you are continuing your attacks, concealed as righteous indignation, and touting yourself as the light-bearer for mistreated newblets.
The absurdity of your position is obvious to most, will soon dawn on others, but, sadly, I think it will be lost on you.
How's that box split and humidor sale working out for ya over on pass fishy?Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
Saying you're not defensive does not mean you aren't defensive. I point to your entire post, not just one part of it, because someone whose comprehension is complete and quick can determine truth from the whole, not by cherrypicking poorly worded phrases out of the middle of a train of thought. Unfortunately for you, I see through you, and still I pass no judgment, but you choose to feel attacked, and that reflects on your own state of mind. No, I don't do well with direct questions that are designed to trip up anyone who tries to answer them. That's why I ignore them. Even if I tried, you're attitude has and, experience would suggest, would continue to respond in the fashion of a guilty child crying, "But mom, I didn't do anything wrong!"Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
If there really was a fear of new people here, as you claim there to be, then how do you explain the fact that this board has more than one member? If we are afraid of new people, then how do you explain the presence of respected members here, in this very thread, from every year from 2005 to the present? Your argument simply holds no water. If you piss people off here, it is your own fault. Stop making excuses for yourself. Insecure men are those who blame others for their own shortcomings.
No, I beg to differ. You ignore them because you cannot maintain your air of superiority if you answer them honestly. Simple as that. I did not speak from a defensive position, but rather a position of knowledge. Knowledge gained by years of association with the members of this forum, and years of seeing pompous, egotistical, people such as yourself drop in.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTree
You are a hypocrite, that is plainly evident by your continued assignment of motivation to the actions of others, while steadfastly objecting that the same was done to you. Was the Dr. Phil seminar you attended held at a Holiday Inn Express? Geesh.
Let me tell you about the rabbits, Ken... :smiley2:Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarsarge
:smiley36:
The box split is done and I doubted I would sell the humidor on there anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
I do rather enjoy the few times I have had the opportunity to run into one of you fine fellows over there though.
It brings back one of my favorite lines from Reservoir Dogs.
"You gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or you gonna bite?"
Yeah, done as in, "bump. No takers?" done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
There isn't enough Listerine on the planet to make biting you worth it fishy. You continue to be a source of amusement though, I can appreciate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikefishes
Will,Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
I am sorry if you are upset you didn't get in on the Holiday Blend deal. We ended up ordering a box of each of these and a box of Reserva #5's. All for just under $750.00 + shipping. So not a bad deal. I did only get four others to go in. So, I guess not as successful as you are.
It sure is nice that you guys take such an interest in me to follow me around.
Thank you all for continuing to prove my point. This is why denial is so delicious. I enjoy watching you implode trying to prove me wrong.
I understand. It breaks your monotony of watching gay porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler