I feel so old and SO naive

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

When he said they were "super expensive" that's "imagined" because it is.

$1,320.00 a year for total costs is dirt cheap. My property taxes are over six times that for a year, my electric bill is three times that for a year, my internet/cable bill is exactly that for a year. Even with no job, my federal income tax bill is twice that for a year. Heating oil? How much do you pay? Honestly, this year, I have no idea what my total cost will be for the season but I just paid over three fucking fifty a gallon which means the minimum 200 gallon delivery was over 700.00 and I'll be lucky if that lasts me until the end of December. So if I could heat my house for $1,320.00 (your yearly car cost) I'd throw a party, invite you, pay for your plane fare and still have money left over.

The bottom line is his personal choice to forgo a car isn't because it's "super expensive, even if the car is paid off" because that's bull$hit.

Oh I forgot, I don't even have a mortgage but I'd be willing to bet an average rent or mortgage payment is $1,320.00 per MONTH meaning that the expense of a car is one twelfth of the simple cost of putting a roof over your head, excluding every other cost associated with just breathing.

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No, I would think it's his perception, not his imagination.

You're not really trying to tell jiveturkey why he feels as he does are you?

Weren't we talking about meth lighters & paraphernalia?

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

When he said they were "super expensive" that's "imagined" because it is.

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--I agree.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Just admit it, you're choice to not own a car is pretty much an "environmental" statement (which is fine:smiley20:) and not really driven by the imagined "costs" you described.:smiley2:

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--This is the statement I was refuting. All I was saying is the costs of owning a car are not imagined and they're huge compared to our resident dirty hippie riding his bike everywhere :smiley4:. I wasn't saying a car is cheap compared to a mortgage payment or property taxes or heating oil. I was saying a bike is cheap compared to a car.

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Originally Posted by badwhale

Weren't we talking about meth lighters & paraphernalia?

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Ha!



Sorry for going off on a tangent.

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Two members of the Corvallis city council are members of the Green Party.[

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Hell, even in ultra-liberal Connecticut, we're not that far off the deep end. I live one town over from the "Corvallis" of Connecticut otherwise known as "Storrs" the section of the town of Mansfield where UCONN is located. Mansfield is the most ultra left wing town in the entire eastern half of Connecticut and there aren't any Green Party people on the Town Council there. Storrs' population is only about 1/3 of Corvallis so even the libs can't get away without owning cars.

I guess the average Corvallis mind-set is simply one I just can't relate to........

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

I guess the average Corvallis mind-set is simply one I just can't relate to........

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I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I'm sure I can't relate to lots of folks on certain things on this or any other board. I stick around because there's at least one thing I CAN relate to: enjoying cigars.

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Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

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Well maybe but consider this:

"Mr. CoventryCat why do you live in the country?"

Real answer: "Because I like the peace and quiet and I have a sentimental attachment to the property that's been in my family for generations!"

Fake, right-wing, tea party, Montana Freemen inspired political answer: "Because I have to freedom to do what I want, when I want free from most government intervention, bureaucracy, red tape, bloated budgets and mismanagement that are typical of poorly run urban areas where they rob from the rich, give to the poor and to hell with us red-blooded American taxpayers. Cities allow the leaches, drug abusers and alcoholics to game the system and get a free ride on the honest people's backs. Cities are CORRUPT I say, CORRUPT and criminal enterprises with graft, payoffs for political cronies and hacks! And you know, living is cities is super expensive even if you own your own place!"

Since I've never lived in a city, I'm full-o-crap with that whole stinking pile of garbage because it's only based on a wrong perception and of how I want others to view living in cities, not on any real facts or anything like that.

Ya see where I'm going with this?

Its still fucking cool Turkey.

I wish my car only cost me $1,300 per year...

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Originally Posted by ggiese

I wish my car only cost me $1,300 per year...

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Me too. I guess I'm just not doing it correctly.

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Originally Posted by ashauler

Me too. I guess I'm just not doing it correctly.

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No, you're doing it smart for your situation. If I could afford it, I'd drive a Rolls Royce and so would my wife, I'd never pick up another tool in my life and pay the Rolls Royce dealership $1,000.00 per hour to do my oil changes but I don't live on Fantasy Island.

Where'd jive go? Must be down at the "Occupy Corvallias" camp in the center of town.:smiley4:

lol here is the Occupy Calgary camp video I got yesterday


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKik9FRjn4k

I'm sure you could sell a boat full of $2 torch lighters at this camp.

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

Well maybe but consider this:

"Mr. CoventryCat why do you live in the country?"

Real answer: "Because I like the peace and quiet and I have a sentimental attachment to the property that's been in my family for generations!"

Fake, right-wing, tea party, Montana Freemen inspired political answer: "Because I have to freedom to do what I want, when I want free from most government intervention, bureaucracy, red tape, bloated budgets and mismanagement that are typical of poorly run urban areas where they rob from the rich, give to the poor and to hell with us red-blooded American taxpayers. Cities allow the leaches, drug abusers and alcoholics to game the system and get a free ride on the honest people's backs. Cities are CORRUPT I say, CORRUPT and criminal enterprises with graft, payoffs for political cronies and hacks! And you know, living is cities is super expensive even if you own your own place!"

Since I've never lived in a city, I'm full-o-crap with that whole stinking pile of garbage because it's only based on a wrong perception and of how I want others to view living in cities, not on any real facts or anything like that.

Ya see where I'm going with this?

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I agree with you. And you've still got an argument back?

Yes, we have different mindsets, which come from a variety of sources. You value your car, I don't value them. We make decisions that espouse those values. You choose the way you live your life, and I choose the way I want to live mine. I'm not trying to tell you how to live here, just letting folks know how I live mine.

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Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

Yes, we have different mindsets, which come from a variety of sources. You value your car, I don't value them. We make decisions that espouse those values. You choose the way you live your life, and I choose the way I want to live mine. I'm not trying to tell you how to live here, just letting folks know how I live mine.

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It's not a matter of different mindsets or whether or not you and I "value" cars or not. In my case and in the case of just about everyone else in North America, a car is a necessity. You're lucky you live in a large college town where you can easily get by without one, the other 99.999% of us aren't so lucky. And I agree with the others, that's a cool situation you're in where you can live easily and happily without owning a car, I say great for you!:smiley20:

My point is that your statement that cars are "super expensive, even if the car is paid off" is kind of ridiculous. That's not a matter of you "just letting folks know how I live mine" it's a matter of you making a pretty stupid statement. And then you said this: "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" like it's a fact which it definitely is not, that's your opinion. Outside of your college town utopia where cars are almost not necessary, many arguments can be successfully made that NOT owning a car is more expensive than owning one because the alternatives are many times more expensive.

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Originally Posted by Roham

lol here is the Occupy Calgary camp video I got yesterday.

I'm sure you could sell a boat full of $2 torch lighters at this camp.

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LOL!:smiley36: Nice video Roham, next time turn the camera on yourself once or twice so we can see your good-looking, smiling face.:smiley16:

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

It's not a matter of different mindsets or whether or not you and I "value" cars or not. In my case and in the case of just about everyone else in North America, a car is a necessity. You're lucky you live in a large college town where you can easily get by without one, the other 99.999% of us aren't so lucky. And I agree with the others, that's a cool situation you're in where you can live easily and happily without owning a car, I say great for you!:smiley20:

My point is that your statement that cars are "super expensive, even if the car is paid off" is kind of ridiculous. That's not a matter of you "just letting folks know how I live mine" it's a matter of you making a pretty stupid statement. And then you said this: "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" like it's a fact which it definitely is not, that's your opinion. Outside of your college town utopia where cars are almost not necessary, many arguments can be successfully made that NOT owning a car is more expensive than owning one because the alternatives are many times more expensive.

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Okay, I'll qualify that it in MY situation it is super expensive to own a car even one paid off (my opinion) and it is more expensive owning a car than not (fact).

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

No, you're doing it smart for your situation. If I could afford it, I'd drive a Rolls Royce and so would my wife, I'd never pick up another tool in my life and pay the Rolls Royce dealership $1,000.00 per hour to do my oil changes but I don't live on Fantasy Island.

Where'd jive go? Must be down at the "Occupy Corvallias" camp in the center of town.:smiley4:

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I don't own a Rolls Royce, and it STILL costs me a fortune to support my car. Way more than $1,300 a year. It costs me more than my cable bill (even with all three service combined)...

I wish I had the intestinal fortitude to swear off my car and ride around on a bicycle - it would be really good for the environment, my pocket book as well as my waistline!

Good on you, JiveTurkey!

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

It's not a matter of different mindsets or whether or not you and I "value" cars or not. In my case and in the case of just about everyone else in North America, a car is a necessity. You're lucky you live in a large college town where you can easily get by without one, the other 99.999% of us aren't so lucky. And I agree with the others, that's a cool situation you're in where you can live easily and happily without owning a car, I say great for you!:smiley20:

My point is that your statement that cars are "super expensive, even if the car is paid off" is kind of ridiculous. That's not a matter of you "just letting folks know how I live mine" it's a matter of you making a pretty stupid statement. And then you said this: "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" like it's a fact which it definitely is not, that's your opinion. Outside of your college town utopia where cars are almost not necessary, many arguments can be successfully made that NOT owning a car is more expensive than owning one because the alternatives are many times more expensive.

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JiveTurkey, I wish I would have sent you a PM. :smiley5: Sorry. I asked because I was genuinely interested, and I appreciate your response. I'm sorry you're getting shit on for it. :smiley21:

I don't think it's a ridiculous or stupid statement at all. Statements like that are relative to ones situation. What's ridiculous is the $1300/yr operating costs for a vehicle, paid off or not. In my experience, that's woefully understated.

I'm not smart enough to understand how NOT owning a car can be more expensive than owning one. You've completely lost me on that one. A bus pass for unlimited rides for a year, where I live is $1080, or $90/month. Again, I spend more than that just for fuel, no mention of legally required insurance (no, I don't get the fancy collision and comprehensive coverage either), maintenance, taxes, tags, etc.....so from where I sit "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" would be a fact. No? Help me understand how it's not please. I am, after all, a simple country boy.

It's also pretty goddamn ridiculous, imo, to basically call someone stupid and ridiculous and start throwing around irrelevant bullshit about the occupy the crack of my ass people as a way to further ridicule someones beliefs that you don't agree with. What a load of nonsense, imo, of course. :smiley2: I'm certainly not above taking shots at asshats/mooches/trolls/thiefs, but none of that applies here, again, imo.

Going green has advantages to the forward looking person. Growing your own food, solar power for your house, providing your own means of transportation forgoing the oil companies, has definate financial advantages as well as making the earth more livable. The wife and I are making serious strides in becomming more non dependant on "the system". I don't see myself being able to get rid of my cars. That is not practical for me at this. I can cut back on gas consumption. I do grow a good part of my food and get quite a bit from a food co-op we belong to. A few of us are about to slaughter a cow that was free range fed.

My wife and I are looking at solar power seriously. I have a friend that uses it...So far without a flaw.