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It's absolutely pointless to argue with dyed-in-the-wool liberals, they rarely stop frothing at the mouth spouting endless lies, hyperbole and personal attacks for you to get a word in edgewise. Just move on, let them to talk to the bare spot of ground you were standing on, maybe it will listen since no one else will :smiley29:
Ah, good. The name-calling has started...Quote:
Originally Posted by cigar no baka
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Originally Posted by SuperChuck
Bullshit. The one who started this thread started the name calling, or didn't you notice?
baka...or someone....please try to explain the good job that shrub is doing.. (as his approval ratings continue to drop faster than a gown on prom night)....
you should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to believe in him....
Anyone still supporting dumbya and his neocon asshole parade, isn't one to be talking about liars. You obviously couldn't spot a liar to save your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigar no baka
If dumbya had kicked you in the nuts(?), right after saying he would never do that, you'd still believe he never actually kicked you. It's a fragile little fantasy world you cling to.
Inside Addition? I thought Bill the lech was on A Current Affair. No matter, both were just TV's version of The Weekly World News. :smiley36:
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Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff
Bush is doing a great job on everything I am aware of, including the Iraq war, except:
Border control and immigration. I am so disappointed in the Republican party that I am seriously considering not voting for the first time since I was 18.
Stem cell research. I find the benefits to outweight the risks and am very disappointed.
As for shame, you should be ashamed of your own party as it has become a party of uncontrolled taxing, destroying our rights, fracturing our nation into groups of people who use minority rule to rule through the court system and violate our sacred right as voters to vote our own destinies, and refusing to realize that morality does play a huge part in our culture and should not be sacrificed to the altar of PC-think, uber-minority rights and perversion.
You are not looking at this properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperChuck
The driver in your metaphor had no good reason to be in the wrong lane. He is indirectly at fault because he had absolutely had no justification for going the wrong way down the street. However, and I know this is going to piss someone off, we have every reason in the world to be in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. These countries are breeding grounds for terrorists and I fully support the notion that we should hit them before they hit us.
In your example the driver would be at fault, BUT if there was someone driving towards your house with a trunk full of explosives hell bent on killing himself and your entire family that would be a different story. If you forced them off the road and killed them then you are NOT at fault because it is in defense of you, your family, and property. Unfortunatley, if that pyscho driving towards your house happens to have his kid in the back seat that's a shame, but tough shit.
As for the selling weapons example. When weapons are sold for a known destructive purpose then said country is at fault. You cannot liken that to invading a country under the pretense of self preservation. Russia didn't sell the Iraqi's weapons for any other reason than to make some cash, not to save themselves from terrorists attacks. And NO, we did not invade Iraq for money, Oil, because anyone with a 2nd grade education, haha yes even Bush, would know that spending hundreds of billions to take over a country wouldn't be worth it to get at their oil reserves. Sorry, no, it wouldn't.
Now...I will say that I appreciate that someone with a liberal viewpoint made an attempt at a cogent argument. This breeds discussion, logic, and thought.
THANK YOU
I love being an independent because it helps avoid all these politically charged discussions. What sucks is I can never find a guy running who has all the same idea's as me, so I end up voting for some retard who ends up voting for the most popular guy's ideas and next thing I know, I helped with the degradation of society. :smiley13: So, in advance of all the stupid things my next vote-receiver does, I apologize for the dumb-ass popularity chaser that I will ultimately put into office.
Is this the viewpoint that we are supposed to "understand?"
source: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia.html
Hizbollah "Swearing in ceremony"
Many Arab political parties had their roots as resistance movements sympathetic to Nazi expansion in the Middle East. Since that time, Islamic armies and militias have identified with, and adopted symbols from, Nazi propaganda.
Date: Iran, December 2003
Don't get started with nazis. If you want to talk about connections to nazis, follow this link.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWidow
The Bush family is chock full of nazi racist pricks.
Dude, I'm not talking about connections to Nazis, look for yourself, these guys were and are Nazis.
I'm not even making an argument for/against/about Bush or the US, I'm simply trying to point out the scum that Hezbollah is.
Do Independents get to referee? :smiley1:
We have two fouls on the play. Illegal use of Nazi links on the conservatives AND on the liberals. The penalties offset, repeat the down.
Before WWII, the US had a policy of non-involvement in European affairs. This created very strange relationships with Nazi Germany. Up until the invasion of Poland, everything was cool with Germany. Even their invasions of France and Czech were shrugged off as taking what was theirs.
Even after Poland was invaded, the US wasn't terribly interested in the war in Europe. Even when the US leadership was starting to get worried, US businesses were operating in Germany.
Imagine if...
Israel currently occupies part of Palestine and might invade Lebanon. What if they decide to take advantage of the situation and just occupy Palestine and the Moslem parts of Lebanon? The US would probably shrug that off. The UN might write a strongly-worded letter, but I doubt there would be any sort of sanctions placed on Israel.
Certainly, US companies would be free to do business with Israel and no one would shun them for doing so. It would be business as usual.
But what if Israel then decided they were sick of this crap and invaded Saudi Arabia or Jordan or the United Arab Emirates or something? That would start raising eyebrows. A lot of companies would have to come to the reality of dealing with Israel. Can we continue to sell them arms? Food? Toasters? Can US companies employ their software developers? Can we evacuate a programmer that also worked on Israeli military software?
That's pretty much what US companies faced at the onset of what would become WWII.
(Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting the Israeli government would do such a thing; they're just an easy example)
A common mudslinging tactic is to curse those or their anscestors. for doing something before it was considered illegal or immoral
They may be scum, but they're duly and democratically elected scum. They've done more to rebuild Lebanon than anyone else, mostly because no-one else in the country had as much cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWidow
The problem is it's now acceptable, per dumbya's lead, to solve every problem by military force. Damn the diplomacy.
BTW, dumbya and his group were, and still are, nazis. Fascist assholes.
Fascists, perhaps. That's your opinion. I very much doubt though, that the current US administration has any political affiliation with the Third Reich. Certain word, Nazi for one, should not be thrown around so cavalierly in my opinion. I'm not real goodwith US politics, following all the BS in my own country is hard enough, but I'm pretty sure you can make a point without throwing those kind of words around. While I don't agree with everything the American government does, I don't see them lining up homosexuals and Jews to the gas chambers. A little civility in your arguments, from all sides, is all I ask.
Not that they don't want to, they just haven't had enough time yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by thepyrofish
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Originally Posted by thepyrofish
Well, SVDM can say what he wants, but as long as things are this heated in the Politics forum, I won't be replying to any of this posts nor reading them as there is no discussing this with him, his mind appears to be made up and he has quite a bit of anger to get off his chest.
:smiley36: :smiley36: I have a lot of anger? :smiley36: :smiley36:Quote:
Originally Posted by cigar no baka
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Originally Posted by SmokinDVM
Just wondering...What could he do diplomacy wise to stabilize the Middle East and North Korea. Seems like that comment is baseless. How can you blame that mess on him. No President has ever stabilized those areas...Even Democrats.
I'm asking for specifics here DVM.
Edit...Comparing Bush to Nazi's is one of the most outragous statments I've ever heard...I would like some specifics on that one too.
Just for the record...I voted for Bush but he has disapointed me greatly. DVM seems to like name calling and finger pointing without any qualification of his statments.
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Originally Posted by cigar no baka
pot,meet kettle...kettle,meet pot...