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Originally Posted by MarineOne
I have used the .270 almost exclusively for years. It shoots flat and hits hard. (Here in FL, I can get away with using the trusty, lightweight lever action .30-.30 for both deer and hogs. Most shots are under 75 yards.)
The 30-06 is an extremely versatile round. You can use it for anything in North America except large bears, though some people use it successfully for dangerous game. The 165 gr is my favorite weight for deer if hunting bean fields or power lines. The Remington Accelerator 55 gr is a pretty good varmit round or you can can go with the 110gr for coyotes. You can always choose the 220 gr for moose or elk. They even have managed recoil rounds for young shooters. Try to do all of that with a 7mm Mag.
That being said, I recently switched to the .300 WSM as my favorite deer gun in the open. I like the ability to use it in a short action. Plus it comes close to the .300 Mag without the recoil. You pretty much have to load your own if you want to really expand your possibilities with it.
Any Class III fans out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuma787
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/z...99/misc625.jpg
Well then.
Destructive Device for me. I have a 12 gauge breeching shotgun with a 12 inch barrel & hope to purchase a 20mm rifle soon. At the SO, I had a various times:
M3A1 (our departments first automatic weapons in recent memory purchased in 1988 for around $75.00 each)
Thompson 1928 (Displayed on the Sheriff's wall 90% of the time)
M11 (Confiscated)
Breaching shotguns
Beretta M12
BTW, the Beretta was the only that ran properly.
Eh, I had my fun firing all that shit in the military. The only full auto weapons that were accurate past the first round were the M60 and M249 SAW on a bipod or tripod. Speaking of accuracy. The M16 fires 5.56mm, which is the equivalent of .223 cal. It is very precise with a very flat trajectory.
On a side note, grenade launchers and rocket launchers are fun! I never did get a chance to fire the Mk-19 grenade launcher though. Fully auto 40mm grenades! Just think about it! :smiley3:
I could learn to love the .22 cal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2m9N6Cd67Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGsX_Z1K7pA
:smiley40:
Talk about "lead paint"!
I'd HATE to be on the other end of that thing.
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Originally Posted by Shelby07
Holy shit! Death by 1000 pellets! If you load it with snake shot rounds it would flay the skin right off someone!
Today I pick up my first gun:
Smith and Wesson 22a Target Grip and Bull Barrel
I'm also grabbing an aimpoint 9000 from midwayUSA for a nice discount (225).
George, we'll have to go shooting and smoking now.
Normally wouldn't care about the red-dot, but by default the iron sights are pure black and when my dad and I shoot, he enjoys the ease of a red dot on his ancient eyes. He has a browning buckmark and 357 magnum revolver. Got him a tru-glo red-dot for his browning for xmas and a range bag.
Guns and gars ....
We keep this up and we'll all end up at Knob Creek during one of the lovely weekends they sponsor. Actually that isn't a half bad idea.
Ok, so I've pretty much decided on purchasing a 30.06 rifle. I have a Remington .22, and a Remington 870 Express, and have shot and really liked the Remington Vantage air rifle and a Remington 7600. I've also shot a few different Mossbergs, and a really pretty Benelli shotgun. I'm going to shoot a few other rifles tomorrow with some friends. Right now, I'm leaning towards getting another Remington rifle, just because I've really liked those. I was wondering if anyone could recommend another rifle that I maybe haven't thought about yet.
Right now, the front-runner is the Remington 700 ADL model. Several reviews have all spoken highly of it, in regards to quality and stability and availability of after-market parts. But the searches have also been returning a strong disdain for the Remington 770 model rifle, and I wanted to get some outside opinion to see if the 700 was favored only because the 770 wasn't very good to begin with. I'm also open to other models as well.
Thanks for reading.
Used might be a way to go if you have a reliable and trustworthy shop in the area with a good gunsmith.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtr33
Well, added to the family collection are now 2 shotguns and 4 of my Papa's (grandfather's) guns.
Winchester 1892 (made in 1906):
http://www.winchestercollector.org/images/guns/1892.jpg
Winchester 52 (made in 1936):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0px-Win52c.jpg
Remington Model 30 Express (.25 Remington cal, date unsure): Need to post my own pics for it (mint condition, like it's never been shot...it has)
Springfield 1898 sporterized (date unsure, but around 1900):
http://www.nps.gov/spar/historycultu...s/M1892_II.jpg
Winchester 101 Over/Under:
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/im...62fa0fa388.jpg
Winchester Model 12 (1960, shot 20 times):
http://www.winchestercollector.org/i...winmodel12.jpg
Pretty awesome stuff. My Dad is excited about his 101, and we're both very excited about the personal historical value of our Papa's pieces. The Springfield was my Papa's best friend's (died in the 3rd wave on Iwojima) and was given to my Papa by his family. My father was named after this hero.
What are these barreled in?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMacFU
That 101 is damn pretty gun, my friend.
Are you going to shoot any of them?
As a teenager, I qualified NRA Expert with a Winchester 52, completely custom thumbhole stock, with a 14 lb bull barrel.
That thing held it's own with kids shooting $3,000 Anschutz rifles
I'd stay away from the Remington 770. I don't like the action. I shoot a Remington 700 and I'm pleased with it. The best out of the box accuracy I have had with any rifle was the Savage 110. You might want to consider an 111. Have you thought about the Marlin XL7 or the Stevens? These are great entry level rifles. The Marlin is going for $250 and you can use the money you save on quality optics.
Speaking of optics, buy a quality scope. Too often I have seen guys buy a top notch rifle & complain they can't hit anything with it. closer examination usually reveals a $30 scope on a $1,000 rifle. A blurry scope or one that doesn't hold its zero (very common) is worthless
Funny you should mention that. I'm going to pick up a Savage 111 tomorrow. Comes with a scope, which probably wouldn't be my first choice, but the package deal I'm getting is about $120 off MSRP. I may upgrade before next season to a Nikon Buckmaster. Really like the reticle in those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Sarge
Thanks for the input! I'll post pics once I've got it. I use the Break Free clp, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere I should use something different for the bolt - any suggestions? A guy I work with says he uses a product that's almost like a light wax.
Now, the next question: 150, 165, or 180 gr? I'm thinking Hornady in a 30.06.
Start with the 150's since they'll have more of a flat trajectory out at distance compared to the heavier ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtr33
-K
The winchester 1892 is a 44-40 WCF Cowboy LoadQuote:
Originally Posted by mrtr33
The 52 is a 22LR
All guns are in perfect shooting condition which is just remarkable when you think about it...So yes, we will shoot them!
The M44's finish was looking pretty rough and I needed something to do during my spring break, so I decided to refinish it and add a scope. I ordered the scope and mount kit last week and started sanding Friday night. The scope is a Simmons Prohunter 4x. The mount is from S&K, very sturdy. For the finish I used a spar urethane.
Before I started
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Disassembled
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Beat up original finish.
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http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...l/P3050650.jpg
Sanded
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First coat
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Finished
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...l/P3090661.jpg
Nice job on the rifle refurbish. I think it looks much better with the new optics. Now, what are you going to do with that pea shooter?
I'm not sure about the need for open carry. There may be a few instances when it makes sense, but by and large, we can get by with lawful conceased carry. Does this make sense in urban settings? If I recall my "wild west" history, didn't towns have laws requiring individuals to check their guns at the city gates?
Here's a WSJ article from 03/04/10. Dow Jones owns the copy and the rights.
Stores Land in Gun-Control Crossfire
By VANESSA O'CONNELL And JULIE JARGON
Starbucks Corp. and some other chain stores in the U.S. are finding themselves caught in the middle of a firearms debate, as gun-control advocates go up against a burgeoning campaign by gun owners to carry holstered pistols in public places.
The "open carry" movement, in which gun owners carry unconcealed handguns as they go about their everyday business, is loosely organized around the country but has been gaining traction in recent months. Gun-control advocates have been pushing to quash the movement, including by petitioning the Starbucks coffee chain to ban guns on its premises.
Anti-gun activists gathered at the original Starbucks in Seattle to push retailers like the coffee chain to ban customers from openly carrying guns, WSJ's Nick Wingfield reports.
Businesses have the final say on their property. But the ones that don't opt to ban guns—such as Starbucks—have become parade grounds of sorts for open-carry advocates.
Starbucks on Wednesday, while bemoaning being thrust into the debate, defended its long-standing policy of complying with state open-carry weapons laws, in part by stating that its baristas, or "partners," could be harmed if the stores were to ban guns. The chain said that in the 43 states where open carry is legal, it has about 4,970 company-operated stores.
The company added: "The political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores."
In 29 states, it's legal to openly carry a loaded handgun, without any form of government permission. Another 13 allow an unconcealed loaded handgun with a carry permit, according to opencarry.org, which is a loosely organized Web forum for the movement.
In California, where it's legal to carry a gun openly without a license in most places as long as it's unloaded, growing numbers of armed people have been turning up at Starbucks, restaurants, and retailers, with handguns holstered to their belts to protest what they contend are unfair limits on permits to carry a concealed weapon.
The open-carry movement began spreading in 2004 after some pro-gun advocates in Virginia began researching state laws and discovered that many states don't have laws to prevent unconcealed carry of handguns.
"The concealed carry movement has been successful but open carry is coming up," in popularity, said Mike Stollenwerk, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and co-founder of the opencarry.org site.
"I feel other people have the right to carry firearms into a business if it's okay with the business," said William Moore, a carpenter from Lynwood, Wash., and an open-carry advocate who says he doesn't carry firearms into Starbucks coffee shops.
A group called Protest Easy Guns plans on Saturday to protest Starbucks's policy of allowing customers in open carry weapons states to carry guns inside the coffee shops. The group of women said on Thursday that it plans to demonstrate outside an Alexandria, Va., Starbucks.
Supporters are spreading in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, and other areas. Some are making lists of "OC-friendly" locales, and encouraging boycotts of businesses with no-weapons signs. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Home Depot Inc., Best Buy Co. and Barnes & Noble Inc., are designated as "open-carry" friendly in some online forums or say they abide by existing laws. "Our practice is to comply with local and state laws," said Best Buy spokeswoman Sue Busch Nehring.
Open-carry proponents are also taking advantage of some momentum in state legislatures to expand gun rights, although most new and pending measures don't specifically address unconcealed handguns.
Should people be allowed to carry guns into places like Starbucks? The company says it'll abide by local laws, but customers in San Francisco tell Rex Crum they really don't relish handguns with their lattes.
Open carry hasn't been part of the official focus of the pro-gun lobbying group, the National Rifle Association, which has 4 million members.
In the past 20 years, the NRA has focused on expanding the ability of U.S. gun owners to carry a handgun in a concealed manner.
Today, 38 states have a "shall issue" permit process. Two states don't require a license to conceal carry. Eight states have "may issue" concealed carry laws, meaning permits will be given with the discretion of a local politician or police officer.
"We support the self-defense rights of law-abiding Americans in accordance with local, state and federal laws," says Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, who declined further comment on open-carry activity.
Some chains have banned guns from their restaurants, even in open-carry states, because of the impact it could have on non-gun-carrying customers.
"We are concerned that the open display of firearms would be particularly disturbing to children and their parents," said a spokesperson for the California Pizza Kitchen restaurant chain.
A Peet's Coffee & Tea spokesperson said that while the firm "respects and values all individuals' rights...our policy is not to allow customers carrying firearms in our stores or on our outdoor seating premises unless they are uniformed or identified law enforcement officers."
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which partnered with Credo Action, an activist group that uses mobile phones to effect social change, says it has collected more than 28,000 signatures on a petition to get Starbucks to change its policy.
Pro-gun advocates have taken to openly carrying guns to Starbucks as a way of testing corporations' stances on state weapons laws, William Spain reports.
Allowing customers who are armed with unconcealed guns on the premises "can't be good for business—it galvanizes people, and some of them won't patronize Starbucks after this," said Joshua Horwitz, executive director of the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence, a gun-control organization in Washington, D.C.
Indeed, not all baristas agree that the Starbucks policy protects them. "I think the policy shows complete disregard for the safety and sentiments of their workers. The only thing worse than a yuppie upset with how their frappuccino turned out is a yuppie with a gun who's unhappy with how their frappuccino turned out," says Erik Forman, a Starbucks barista and union member in Minneapolis.
The IWW Starbucks Workers Union on Wednesday issued a statement, saying "We appreciate the vigorous debate taking place by principled individuals on both sides of this issue. However, to date we are not aware of any efforts by Starbucks to widely engage its workers who are directly affected by open-carry gun laws. We believe an appropriate solution cannot be reached without doing so."
—Nick Wingfield and Jess Bravin contributed to this article
I believe in the right to open carry, but I would never practice it. Unfortunately, in today's world, open carry is only going to tarnish the image of the Second Amendment.
Will
I agree. It's already tough enough with the anti-gun crowd. Concealed carry makes everyone more comfortable and removes the intimidation factor.
Criminals, irresponsible people, and gun control propaganda are really wreaking havok on gun owners. Hell, my own wife doesn't even like the fact that I OWN guns anymore, much less want to carry them. She's been bombarded by anti-gun propaganda based on child safety. I can see this causing problems in the future for us. I can't hide them from the child forever. They have to be used and cleaned sometime.
For the record, they are locked in a steel cabinet in the bedroom closet and I carry the only two keys to it on my keyring. I keep the Glock loaded and holstered on the top shelf for quick access in an emergency. Maybe I should keep it unloaded now that the boy is turning 5, just in case. I'll just keep the mag next to it.
I'd take him to the range, and start preaching gun safety. I believe, (and I suspect you do too) that's the best precaution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenyth
Will
Though I think five is too young to comprehend guns, death, and gun safety, I agree that understanding weapons and knowing safety is the key. Mom won't be having any of that though, even when it's time. I'm not sure why she married a war veteran with a gun cabinet if she was this squeamish about firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
Taking it to the range this week and shooting peas of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoked!
As for open carry, Indiana allows it but I never do. People freak out way to easily to be walking around with a loaded pistol on my hip. The only time I carry openly is at the range.
Kenyth, It is definitely time to start keeping the Glock unloaded if you are going to have it out. As someone who was recently 5 himself, I can assure you that as long as he has 1 working arm and 1 working leg, just being out of his reach isn't going to stop him from getting to it if he wants to. 5 may be a little too young for him to understand gun safety, but it never hurts to try:smiley37: While you're at it, take the wife out too. Let her shoot a bit with a .22 or something small and she should come around eventually.
If you can shoot peas with an M44, salud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eville
My nephew turns 2 next month. I originally suggested a BB gun, then a pocketknife. Both got shot down. The wife's thinking about a pop-gun. I can't think of a worse suggestion. I suppose I have to wait a bit longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
Could not be more agreed, Ken. Say, for that Glock, what about a trigger guard? Or would that defeat the purpose as well? And how do you like the grips on those Glocks? I like them a lot, and find them more comfortable in my huge paws than, say, a 1911. I'm hesitant, however, because my wife's hands are small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenyth
I personally love my Glock more than my 1911, maybe because its my daily carry I've grown to like it more. But when i moved in with my old lady and took her shooting with it (figure she should know how to work it) she didn't care for it, she does however like the S&W .38 Special revolver i have. I guess the recoil of a semi-auto action was kind of intimidating to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtr33
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Originally Posted by Kenyth
Kids are visual learners. Why do you think Seasame Street, Barney, TeleTubbies, etc., are so popular? It's geared for the way "they" think, so when we teach them something we need to do the same.
I took the curiousity out of guns in my home by getting them BB guns, making them treat them like they were real, and taking them to the range and letting them shoot.
We took some one gallon water jugs (Wal-Mart sells them for like 40 cents) and some red food coloring (Dollar Store, 99 cents) makes the visual part of your kid based training happen. Add the food coloring to the water, give a shake, and let them shoot it with their BB guns. I told my boys to shoot the water jugs, and once in a while you'd see a bubble or two from a slight puncture, but nothing more. Then I turned around, got them set with ear plugs, and explained why we don't touch Dad's guns. 7.62x39 HP from my SKS made those water jugs jump off the ground and blew colored water all over the place. The look of shock on their faces let me know I made my point, and then we talked about what would happen if the water jug was a person like Mom or Dad, or a friend they had over to the house.
This was a few years ago, and my oldest is now my shooting buddy. My youngest has natural talent (shoots better than his brother) so I'm going to try to get him into target shooting and I'm replacing the upper on my AR so I can put glass on it for him to use.
It's all about what you teach, and how you teach it.
Clarification: It's not out of the cabinet. It's loaded on the top shelf of the locked gun cabinet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eville
I own the Glock 33 pocket rocket with night sights in .357 SIG. It's quite simply the most reliable weapon I've ever fired. It has never misfired. Not even once. The light DA trigger is a no brainer for ease of use and safety. I would recommend this handgun to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtr33
Yup !
Springfeild Armory 1911 GI.45
My handgun of choice.
Just like Amex - Never leave home without it
I never understood why they call it a DA trigger. By definition, a DA trigger should both cock the gun and fire the gun in one motion. However, a Glock's trigger only releases the striker, which should make it a SA. If you try to dry fire it twice in a row without racking the slid for the second shot, nothing happens. Or am I missing something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenyth
Actually, a Glock isn't completely cocked, the trigger finishes cocking it and releases it. It's still not a double action, but it really isn't a single action either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistolQuote:
The striker firing mechanism has a spring-loaded firing pin that is cocked in two stages, powered by the firing pin spring. When the pistol is charged, the firing pin is in the half-cock position. As the trigger is pulled, the striker is then fully cocked.
I think the technical name is DAO (double action only) But with the "Glock safe" design even after racking the slide the gun is more like half-cocked and the trigger pull completes the cocking action. I think this has to do with the drop safety on the Glock as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eville
Ohhh, thanks for clearing that up, it's been bugging me for a while.
beat me to the punch when i was refrencing my Glock book. (damn you wikipedia!)
Lol, sorry about that, I knew it but I wanted to back it up.
DAO doesn't fit either. If it was a DAO, you could cock and fire it while empty, without working the slide.