I've been given several cigars from a friend that are Dunhill Don Candido Seleccion Suprema No 501's packed in coffins containing 2 in each and from what I've read and looked into on cigar forums they are pretty rare, espescially the coffins for 2's.
Can anyone tell me anything about them other than the fact they are rare?
Any help would be appreciated. Here's a photo of some of them:-
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2381/cigarsuy2.jpg
Send em to me and I will tell you all you want to know! :smiley2:
Dunhill's were a favorite of Groucho Marx. Although I believe his favorites were the 510. Could be a typo on what I read. I just know they were Cuban origin which were legal here at the time.
Your cigars look a little bewildered. I would hang onto them regardless.
ggiese is the man to ask for help on Cubans.
You asked the same question on another forum and got all the information you need. Why are you acting ignorant?
I'm not being ignorant...I simply don't know much about cigars other than the help from the other site, and if you've read it there's not a great deal of info, so I've been told to email Gotham Cigar Museum which I've done but thought I'd ask about to find out a bit more. You didn't HAVE to comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby07
Ignorant? What a strange thing to say about asking questions, I really can't understand some people on the internet, so jumped up and ready to "pounce" on people for not knowing stuff that they already do. Aren't you the knowledgeable one!
If that's all you had to say why go out of your way to make a comment, was it to make you feel better? I hope it did.........
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Originally Posted by dentonparrots
Well, ignorant was pretty nice imo.......Shelby07 is just that kind of guy. What I think you fail to understand is that this is a community, not a library or an information clearing house. The proper way to join a community is to introduce yourself, not barge in the door and ask us to do your homework for you. You can obviously use a computer.....try google.Quote:
Originally Posted by dentonparrots
If you want to learn about cigars and partake of the benefits of brotherhood and membership in our community, I would suggest that you post an introduction, stick around, use the search and read to figure out how this community works.
Any responses you make in this thread from here will determine your future here. The choice is completely yours.........Oh, and the overall internet cigar community is really rather small....most belong to multiple boards and very little that is posted escapes us.
Aside from what you've already learned
- They are considered to be one of, if not the best Havana ever produced.
- Were made by Dunhill from the 30's to the 80's
- It is believed that examples after the 70's will be much more flavorful in the future
- Being a new cigar smoker you probably should hold on to them for a few years until you develop a palate.
- They are worth about $150-$200 each at auction
- There isn't much about them on the internet
- You are waiting to hear from Gotham Cigar Museum for further information
what else would you like to know?
I guess to be honest it just seemed a bit odd that you would gain quite a bit of information from some very knowledgeable folks, put in a request to get a definitive answer from Gotham, then come onto another cigar board with no hello, nothing about yourself, and ask the exact same question.
This is really more of a community of friends than a library of rare Cuban cigars, so to have someone jump on and announce that he has 2 of the rarest and probably most desirable cigars in the world with no other introduction is a bit odd here, and hit me as a little pretentious. In most communities someone coming on with a first post such as yours raises a few red flags. Being new to boards, you might not realize that, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
So, take a few minutes to tell us about yourself, your interests, your favorite cigars then sit back and join in a little. I know from the other forum that you are an inexperienced smoker, and this is a great place to learn and talk about cigars other than those that most of us will never see.
So... let's start again.
Welcome. Tell us a bit about yourself, what kind of cigars you enjoy and how you came to acquire these cigars. They are quite a treasure.
By the way... your screen name suggest that you may be interested in exotic birds and such. True? I don't know much about them, but I think there are a couple of folks here who have an interest.
Fair Dinkum, it can be easy to mis-read emotion with text so I'll start again...and apologies if I have stormed into a community-type chat room without introducing myself. I appreciate I was a tad blunt (probably caused through emotion stunting alchohol when typing it out!)
My name's Carl, I'm 31 we've got 3 kids and I live in Cumbria (UK). For a living I hand feed baby parrot chicks that we've bred, which doesn't really leave me with much time for any interests really as the chicks needs fed every few hours. I do play a bit of online poker however and we have quite a lot of our friends come round to drink and chat too so we've generally got guests most days to keep us entertained. It does make us look like a small pub/ achoholics on bin day with all the cans/ bottles to be recycled.
The cigars were gave to me by a good friend who's smoked cigars for quite a while, a lady he knows gave a collection from her late husband to him as she knew he appriciated them and is into wines etc too. He's a generous chap and initially gave me 2 which I passed onto my father as a birthday gift (he's one of these guys that has everything, and if he wanted something "normal" he'd simply buy it himself) and after that my friend gave me another 4 telling me we'd smoke them on a special occasion. He'd mentioned that he thought they were pretty rare and up to 45yrs old so I looked into them on Google etc and couldn't find any information about them and posted a thread on another cigar forum.
My friend has quite a lot more of them and also the outer main box/ coffin with the stamp thing on them too, he also has some pretty old other cigars and Davidoffs (I thought they just made aftershave) too alongside others that I simply can't remember the names of.
I got some quite valuable info from the other site, considering I know nothing about cigars but still I'd like to find out if there's anything else to know about them like a more accurate date ideally and why they are so rare. To be entirely honest I'd never sell them as it would be a bit cheeky to my friend and due to the rarity and price I'd probably never smoke them either!
That said it got me really intrigued about cigars and thought I'd buy a couple and have a pop because now I've been stopped smoking cigarettes a couple of years and might be able to distinguish flavours better...so I bought a couple from a local tobacconist yesterday and smoked/ tasted them with a couple of my friends last night and I reckoln I'm going to get sucked into this in a reasonably big way, very enjoyable social experience but I reckon my pallets got some way to go just yet.
With such a new pallet other than a "cigar" taste I got a slight pineapple taste on the first one that I tried which was an H. UPMAN and from a Dunhill Petit Carona I got a leathery, walnut/ woody taste! I might be talking absolute sh*t though!!
Anyhoo....sorry again if I've initally just stormed into your site and rocket the apple-cart :smiley9: and hello :smiley31:
Thanks for the great introduction. Sorry for the blunt first post. I should know better myself than to start typing after a soccer game and a few beers. Sounds like we have something in common already! :smiley20:
Welcome to the board from Kansas U.S.A. Nice intro, and those are indeed some smokes to hang onto!
Way to hug it out, guys :smiley20:
Welcome from South Carolina!
Cuban Dunhill and Davidoff are some of the most sought after cigars of all time, I would absolutely HAVE to smoke one :smiley41:
Dennis~
Welcome from central ohio
Nice recovery by all parties.
Welcome from MT.
Make sure you keep those in a stable humidification device or they'll be worth absolutely nothing, no matter how rare.
Thanks for all the welcomes...this is a hobby I can see myself getting really into.
Am I right in thinking that it's best not to inhale the cigars at all and just taste them instead in your mouth?
I packed in cigarettes a couple of years ago so don't want to get all "nicotined-up" again ideally.
Also, I'm keping mine in a incubator that I use for parrot eggs that I've got spare, for the time being until my humdior arrives. The reason why I'm using this is because I can literally just type in the temperature and humidity % and within minutes it reaches whatever I've typed in. This is the type of incubator http://www.theincubatorshop.co.uk/pr...tails/197.html do you think it will be OK for now?
I'll post a new thread on the other cigars that I finaly go for and try...I stand dribbling and getting all confused in the local cigar store, there's so much choice and fun to be had!
Welcome from NY. Soccer, booze and stogies...now we're talkin!
Save em for a special day, but definitely smoke em. As a gift-giver I would hate to have my gift not enjoyed, no matter how rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by dentonparrots
F*CK IT! you have 4, light one up tonight!
That's a very interesting place to keep cigars! Can you dial temperatures down to below 70*?
I would highly recommend NOT inhaling cigar smoke regularly :smiley11:
Hi, the incubator goes as low as 68 degrees (which is what I have iot sey at for the cigars) and upt to 70% humdity so it's ideal really, well, for now it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwhiteash
I thought it best not to inhale the smoke...it killed me when I did smoke never mind now :smiley1:
You sound like soooo much like me....but I'm going to resist for now until I'm with the friend who gave them to me and a fitting occasionQuote:
Originally Posted by logan37
You don't inhale cigars. You just draw the smoke in and roll it around your mouth just like you enjoy a glass of wine. When you expel the smoke you will get additional flavors on the finish. The other thing to remember is don't smoke too fast. A cigar should be drawn on about once a minute. More than that will cause the cigar to get hot and harsh. Leaving a cigar too long without a draw will cause it to go out in a few minutes. In fact this is the preferred way to extinguish a cigar. Let it die a dignified death. Never snub it as the cigar will stink up the area in short order. Once the nub extinguishes itself clean out the ashtray, otherwise the stale cigar will stink.
I never heard of the incubator approach, but it sounds interesting. Keep in mind that changes to temperature and humidity should be very gradual. Extreme swings in temp or humidity usually will damage the cigar, causing it to split or crack. The spanish cedar in a humidor is there to buffer humidity changes so as not to shock the cigar too much. If you have a box, store box and all inside the humidor, if it will fit. The box and the cigars will eventually stabilize, and the box will minimize the effect of opening and closing the humidor. A cigar should be stabilized for at least a month or so in a controlled environment before you smoke it to allow the entire cigar to stabilize throughout. Opening and closing the humidor will cause rapid changes, so keep it short and avoid gawking at your stash several times a day. The best thing for a cigar is stability over a long run.
Cigars usually perform best at about 65-70% humidity. The humidity does make a difference as to how the cigar smokes, so make gradual changes and experiment with burn and flavor. Many people like to "dry box" the cigar for a day or 2 before smoking it. I would definitely recommend doing so for cuban cigars. If they are too moist they will burn hot. If they are too dry or the water content is not uniform throughout they will crack or unravel.
Temperature is important. Many people like to age cigars at lower temperatures because it slows down the aging process and lets the flavor develop more uniformly. Most serious collectors keep the temperature at about 55 degrees F for long term (years) aging. The more a cigar ages the smoother it becomes.
While talking of temperature, keep your cigars at or below 70-75F. While the manufacturers do their best to control them, some cigars contain beetle eggs, and they will hatch if the temp is too warm over and extended period of time. One beetle can propagate quickly and destroy your entire stash.
That should be enough to get you started. There is a lot more information on these and other subjects on this forum and throughout the Internet.
Aren't you glad you asked?? :smiley1:
Oh yeah... as for the cigars, get one back from your dad (you have 2, right?) and save them for your children's graduation days! You should be ready by then.
...and another thing...
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER (did I say NEVER!) store flavored cigars with REAL cigars. The flavors will infuse your other cigars and ruin them. My preferred method for storing flavored cigars is to leave them outside in the back yard (garden for those across the pond) until they disintegrate or the dog gets them then chuck 'em, but that' just me.
Definately glad I asked, thanks. I've been doing pretty much what you suggested regarding the smoking side of things after I read up a little on the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby07
I gave a coffin with 2 in it to my dad (he's thinking of selling his after learning the rarity to buy some rare parakeets from Belgium instead with the proceeds, whatever floats your boat eh!) but I still have 4 here in 2 coffins to cherish and eventually smoke...like when the kids leave home :smiley17: :smiley41:
Thanks again, Carl.
I passed my local store today and popped in and bought a Bolivar and an El Rey Del Mundo to try next, this is going to be an expensive hobby!
My dad rang me tonight to tell me of his near death experience he had earlier today...
He's been reading a fell-walkers guide (fells are like mountains; but less) to the Lake District in Cumbria near where we live, and the author of the book (re-print I assume) had his ashes spread at a particular place and my dad thought "Wow, this must be some place if he had his ashes spread there!"
He's recently retired and loving it at 57 and off he set with his little Jack Russel dog called PIP to get to the top, where after reaching the summit, is a gentler decent on the way down the other side.
After 900ft of very steep climbing the ground was starting to slip away under his feet and he thought it was best to get up to the summit and go down the other side of the fell, rather than go back down the way he'd came due to the ground giving way and the steepness of the climb. He's done a lot of fell walking but was surprised at the intensity of it all the same.
Right at the very top last 20ft or so before the summit, there are large man-size slate-like steps and he had to pop PIP onto what appeared to be the last ledge whilst he pulled himself up.
Just as he hauled his ass up he seen a Ram charging at them both (rams are like a sheep but a whole lot meaner)...he grabbed PIP as quickly as he could and the ram went barreling over the top of them onto a ledge below and luckily couldn't get back up to them.
As he said, if it had hit him they'd have been pushed so far back they'd have fallen far enough for them to have both died for sure.
Apart from saying "Man, that's friggin nuts" the only words I could muster were.......
"I'd have lit one of those cigars as soon as I got back home!" :smiley2:
Welcome from further south
Thanks again for everyone's help on cigars.
I've got really into them so far. I've tried H. Upman, Dunhill, Bolivar, Luiz Martinez, Monte Cristo, El Rey Del Mundo and I've got my eye on pretty much every brand they stock in my local tobacconists. I also rummaged out a cigar a friend gave me a couple of years ago that I forgot about called Backgammon that was tubed and for appearing to be one of the lesser expensive brands it was like smoking heaven itself...
I'm going to try them all at my leisure to see what I think is best before I go investing in heavy numbers but I'm hooked so far. Thanks again folks. :smiley41:
Cuaba, Romeo Y Julieta, Punch, Cohiba also all under the belt and fully appreciated. In fact the one thing that has really struck me (that never did about cigars until my friend gave me the DC's and I looked into them etc) is that it's the appreciation that makes each draw/ cigar memorable and worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by dentonparrots
The same friend has incredibly gave me a full box of 25 of the Don Candido No 502's shown here with a coffin of the 501's.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/260...502croplr0.jpg
If you think they look good, you want to smell them! It's like having the worlds best cake in front of you and knowing you can't eat it....well, I could, but would you? It would be sacrilege and I'd never forgive myself:smiley13:.
From the 1st round of testers that I've smoked so forr, the Romeo's Carona's have proven to be my favourites; they're like smoking chocolate. The Punch Petit Punch was nice and creamy all the same...but the Bolivar's heavyness dragged me in, but then the Cohiba was good and I enjoyed the lightness of the Upman. Man, it's tough having choices!
The same friend is looking to possibly sell 4 full boxes of the 502's (in 25's) and 2 of them still have their seals intact and unbroken, also he'll possibly be parting with a few of the boxes of 501's in their double coffins. I've contacted a London based cigar store who is hopefully holding a Cuban Dunhill auction in Sepetember if anyone is interested as I think that is where he'll be selling them through.