To leave wrapper on or off?
That is the question.
I hear with the wrapper off the cigars breath better.
Wrapper on they stay in better shape if you move them alot.
I would like to know what everyone else does.
Thanks
TonyDogs :smiley2:
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To leave wrapper on or off?
That is the question.
I hear with the wrapper off the cigars breath better.
Wrapper on they stay in better shape if you move them alot.
I would like to know what everyone else does.
Thanks
TonyDogs :smiley2:
Good question!. If you plan on aging them, take 'em off. If you know that you're not going to let an ISOM or super-premium sit for a long time, keep it on. You can read that for yourself here.
As long as the cigars are properly humidified when you get them, leave the cello on. It protects the cigars from damage.
The downside is that it slows humidifying and drying time for out of balance cigars. It also slows the aging process.
Slowing humidifying can be a good thing for dry cigars. I received some cigars that were a bit dry. I unwrapped a couple to inspect them, and put them all in the humi. Some of the one's I took the cello off got small splits in the wrapper from humidifying to quickly.
Thanks for clearing this up. I'm reading this and thinking he wanted to take off the tobacco wrapper instead of the celophane. :smiley1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenyth
Don't listen to Scotty, he has no idea what he's talking about. He's never aged cigars therefore has no first hand experience to offer you other than a link to a bullshit website that is full of wrong information. Scotty is famous for coming across like he knows what he's talking about when in fact he does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SFG75
Also, the site that Scotty gave you as a reference has a lot of information that many experienced people in the cigar world completely disagree with.
Leave the cello ON. It protects your cigars from damage. Cello on or off has NO EFFECT on how your cigars BREATHE (that's "breathe" not breath :smiley2: ). Cigars don't "breathe" they are NOT alive. Since the cello on the cigars is not 100% airtight, your cigars will retain and/or lose moisture whether you leave the cello on or not. The cello is placed on the cigars by the manufacturers for PROTECTION plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
My experience on storage is in line with CC's comments. On a side, I do generally take cigars out of tubes, but then place the cigars in plastic baggies, leaving the end open, for protection. I should note that the plastic baggies I am talking about are the long, heavy duty bags that the cigar shop puts the smokes in when I purchase them. :smiley37:
i have heard that the cello cause a bad taste on the cigar, but i have never experienced this. it might have been scotty that told me that:smiley4:
Cello will never change the taste of the cigar unless there is something ON the cello that would ruin your cigar.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdavis4082
It does sound like the kind of misinformation that Scotty is famous for spreading though. :smiley2:
Leaving the wrapper on can also protect againts two different cigars next to eachother affecting the other's taste. If they are all the same cigars then sometimes it looks nice having them unwrapped, or if they aren't touching eachother but for safety I leave the wrapping on.
The "marrying" of cigars is a myth, JoshuaQuote:
Originally Posted by joshua
The exceptation being flavored infused ( Acids/Drew Estates/ Lars ) types which should not even be in the humi with your "regular" cigars.
Oh for cryin' out loud, what is this guy Scotty Jr.? Joshua DO NOT pass yourself off as some kind of "expert" when you have no idea what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by joshua
As Hugh Jorgan said this "marrying" myth of which you speak is just that a MYTH. Hugh is also correct in that flavored cigars should no be kept anywhere near your real cigars.
Interesting debate, I've heard both sides of the argument before, and have only just begun the process of aging cigars so don't know what the long term effect would be, i have a few OpusX's that i am going to let sit for a year or so before i smoke them that came in cellophane(sp?) and I just left it on....maybe laziness....but more so if they were shipped like that it must be ok (if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality).....sounds like they'll be completely content inside their wrapper....i do have one question though, i got a couple of forbiddenX cigars (from some other comments on this board, i can't wait to smoke them) but they came in tubes. I wanted to keep them in something to protect them, so i left them in the tubes but pulled the cap off the end....should that bey enough? seems like it should be for the same reasons that it's ok to leave cello on....just wondering what anybody else though....thanks for the info
matt
Yes. :smiley20:Quote:
Originally Posted by bchem
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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan
I beg to differ, and so do many others. Cigars do marry flavors under the right/wrong conditions depending how you see it.
Seeing as tobacco is a leaf and it has natural oils in it like any other plant, I don't see how you could totally discount it. It is more subtle of an affect, I give you that. Telling a tobacco tainted with another tobacco is different from say the herbals of an ACID with an unflavored cigar.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
Can you be more specific ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cigar no baka
What makes you think otherwise? Who are the "many others" ?
What conditions do you hint about?
To change my mind ( and many others :smiley2: ) I need to see evidence of "marrying".
/ Hugh :smiley16:
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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan
People who own the cigar shop I go to (who know shitloads about cigars) and most of the customers (some who have been smoking cigars longer than I have been alive) I have come to know after sitting in the lounge say cigars can marry flavors. I'm not going to argue the point, as others have different opinions.
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Originally Posted by cigar no baka
In that case, the earth is flat! :smiley14: :smiley2:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...2,1163,00.html
Oh and look at the question right under it:Quote:
Q: I own a large humidor that holds almost 200 cigars. Unlike some humidors, mine lacks dividers. I routinely mix different brands together. Will this result in an unfavorable marrying of the flavors, or simply enhance the cigars as they age?
John B. Turner
Alexandria, Virginia
A: If you keep cigars with different types of tobaccos and pronounced flavor differences, and they are stored together so that they touch each other, they will acquire each others' flavors. In most cases, this is not desirable. At the very least, you end up with cigars that all taste the same.
That is about cigars in boxes though, so its slightly different but related to the original post.Quote:
Q: I have a 1,500-cigar humidor cabinet. I have about 17 boxes of cigars in the bottom of the cabinet. Do I take the ci-gars out of the cellophane and put them back in their boxes to age?
Greg Cosnotti
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
A: Yes, it would be a good idea to remove the cellophane. Cellophane does two things: it seals in the natural humidity of the cigar so it will keep during shipping, and it protects the cigar from any jostling during that journey. To enhance the cigar's aging process, and speed it up a bit, you should take the cellophane off. You can keep the cigars in their boxes, although if the humidor is keeping humidity levels properly, I'd crack the boxes open just a bit to allow some air inside.
I always take the wrappers off my cigars and replace them w/ the wrappers off Grape Swishers.
Mmmmmmmm.
"Yes, it would be a good idea to remove the cellophane. Cellophane does two things: it seals in the natural humidity of the cigar so it will keep during shipping, and it protects the cigar from any jostling during that journey."
I don't know if I agree with that. Did you ever see how tightly pack cigars are in a box? The chances of them moving around during shipping are slim and none. I don't know what kind of cigars you can buy in a box that rattle around, but I've never seen anything like that. Phillies blunts are even packed in pretty tight. Like I said, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but moving around during shipping smells like some bullshit to me.
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Originally Posted by bfreebe
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From now on EVERYBODY will store their cigars WITH CELLO ON!!!!
I will no longer tolerate storing cigars with cello off unless of course they are sold as such. No ...... on second thought.....hmmmmm...... I just came from a local shop and had bought a Bolivar Cofret B. They were in a cabinet box and come with NO CELLO! I'm going back to the shop and I'm going to demand a cello wrapper for that cigar! The idea!
How many times do I have to tell you!? Have you all gone stark raving mad? Cellophane helps keep the cigar more stable. They will still age in the cello albeit just a bit slower.
I do not wish to hear of this foolishness again.
You will obey! :smiley7:
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It really depends on on how you are storing them. If you are using only one humidor for all your cigars and are only going to keep them for less than a year I would recommend leaving it on to avoid damage when opening/closing the lid.
While cigars can still breath with the celophane on, I would recommend removing the celophane only if you are keeping them in a PROPERLY REGULATED HUMIDOR. Thus if you are closing or opening the lid all the time, or if you are not properly regulating their humidity, the celophane will protect against momentary fluctuations.
I am involved with storing somewhat large quantities of stogies for long periods of time. Thus, to avoid cross contamination I usually use a seperate humidor for each brand. Cigars that are stored together can cross blend flavors if left for more than 1 year.
i leave my cello on, but cut the tip of the cello so it stays open toward the end, not sure if that helps any, but it still protects my cigars.
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Originally Posted by joshua
This is ONE person's opinion, just like the guy in cigar no baka's shop who's opinion I would take with a grain of salt.. Oh never mind it must be true, after all you saw it on the internet :smiley29:
Min Ron Nee will tell you to NEVER open a cigar box a "crack" when trying to age cigars. I'd take his advice over some yahoo's posting on the internet anyday of the week.
But of course I'm sure experienced guys like joshua and cigar no braina know perfectly well who Min Ron Nee is and they choose to discount his opinion :smiley36: