Interesting Cigar Facts

Leaf Shades

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Double Claro: Very light, slightly greenish (also called Candela, American Market Selection or jade); achieved by picking leaves before maturity and drying quickly, the color coming from retained green chlorophyll; formerly popular, now rare.

Claro: Very light tan or yellowish. Indicative of shade-grown tobacco.

Colorado Claro: Medium brown, includes Natural and English Market Selection.

Colorado: Distinctive reddish-brown (also called Rosado or Corojo).

Colorado Maduro: Darker brown; often associated with African wrapper from Cameroon, and Honduran or Nicaraguan grown wrapper from Cuban seed.

Maduro: Very dark brown or black; primarily grown in Connecticut, Mexico, Nicaragua and Brazil.

Oscuro: Very black, (also called Double Maduro), often oily in appearance; has become more popular in the 2000s; mainly grown in Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil, Mexico, and Connecticut, USA.

Double Claro
While oftentimes greenish to slightly greenish, this wrapper can also be of a yellow shade. It is achieved through a heat-assisted, fast drying process retaining the chlorophyll content of wrapper leaves. These wrappers have a very mild flavor. At one time these were very popular cigars, but interest had waned. There has again been an increase in the offering of these cigars recently.


Claro
This is a "shade-grown" tobacco, which typically has a light, tan color. Tobacco plants that yield these wrappers are usually grown under shade tents and the leaves are picked before they mature. They are then quickly air-dryed. Claro wrappers are typically mild (neutral) flavor.


Colorado Claro
Typically called "Natural", this wrapper often is a light brown in color and is most often sun-grown.


Colorado
Colorado wrappers have a range from medium-brown to brownish-red shade. These wrappers typically are shade-grown and characterized by a rich, sweet and fairly strong flavor. Colorado wrapped also cigars tend to have a subtle aroma.


Colorado Maduro
The color of this wrapper is somewhere between Colorado and Maduro, and is (as you point out) most notable in the Cameroon leaf from Africa. These wrappers have a distinctive sweet, rich and pleasantly spicy taste.


Maduro
The word Maduro means "ripe" in Spanish. It references a longer wrapper leave fermentation process, or most often are cooked in a pressure chamber to produce their distinctive wrapper color. These wrapper colors can vary from a dark reddish-brown to a very dark brown and are primarily grown in Connecticut, Mexico, Nicaragua and Brazil. Cigars wrapped in a Maduro wrapper can vary in taste from mild/mellow to sweet and typically produce strong, earthy flavors with a mild aroma.

Oscuro
This wrapper is sometimes also called "black" or "negro" and is typically darker than Maduro. Oscuro is produced by leaving the wrapper leaves on the tobacco plant for a longer period of time before harvest. Only those leaves which have had the most sun (the top part of the tobacco plant) are used and they are fermented for a longer period of time to produce a dark, rich, oily "toothy" wrapper. Not unlike Maduro, cigars wrapped in Oscuro are sweet, strong and earthy with a mild aroma.

It's interesting to see all these colors refer to harvesting early or late or whatever. From everything I've learned, tobacco is either "ripe" or it isn't. I've read some info on different varieties, primarily pipe and cigarette varieties, that suffer when allowed to over-ripen, but I've never heard of picking leaves "early" to affect their color. Leaf color is a function determined by the processor after harvest.....in other words, I could grow a leaf completely under shade. Harvest it very early, and still have it come out very dark brown in color. True, due to the typical fragility or thinness of shade grow leaves, it would most likely fall apart and be unsuitable for wrapper use.

From what I've seen, length of time on the stalk and the position of the leaf on the plant determine the thickness of the leaves....or durability if you will. This durability factor definitely affects what types of processing the leaves will endure and still come out "wrapper quality". Candela shade ligero leaves....definitely doable. Might taste like shit, but it's doable. :smiley2:

Nice posts George and Churchill's Ghost.

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

Leaf Shades <snip> Oscuro: Very black, (also called Double Maduro), often oily in appearance; has become more popular in the 2000s; mainly grown in Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil, Mexico, and Connecticut, USA.[/FONT][/SIZE]

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They don't grow that way, they're fermented that way. Also, I thought that the majority of ISOM tobacco is sold in a colorado shade, or in other words, there's rarely "maduro" ISOMs and I can't think of one "oscuro" ISOM.

Will

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes!: :smiley37:

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes!: :smiley37:

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These are "facts?"

WTF is going on here?

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

1. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers.

2. The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked, with the risk higher for smokers less than 65 years old, and with risk for moderate and deep inhalers reaching levels similar to cigarette smokers. However, for those who don't inhale and smoke just 1 or 2 cigars per day, the risk of dying from all causes is statistically insignificant when compared to never smokers.

3. For those who inhale or smoke several cigars a day, types of health risk can be similar to those associated with cigarette smoking: nicotine addiction, periodontal disease, tooth loss, and many types of cancer, including cancers of the mouth, throat, and esophagus. Cigar smoking can also cause cancers of the lung and larynx. Cigar smoking can also increase the risk of lung and heart diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

4. When cigar smokers don’t inhale, or smoke just a few cigars per day, the risks of disease are greatly reduced compared to heavy cigar smokers. The increased risk for those smoking 1 to 2 cigars per day is too small to be statistically significant and the health risks of the 3/4 of cigar smokers who smoke less than daily are not established and are hard to measure.

[FONT=Palatino Linotype]Hence the the belief that cigars are better for you than cigarettes![/FONT]: :smiley37:

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Utter Nonsense ! :smiley36:

I see you've got the "cut & paste" down pat !

Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

- Symm B, Morgan MV, Blackshear Y, Tinsley S (2005). "Cigar smoking: an ignored public health threat". J Prim

- Burns DM (1998). "Cigar smoking: overview and current state of the science". In Shopland DR, Burns DM, Hoffman D, Cummings KM, Amacher

- Cigars: Health Effects and Trends. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 9. National Cancer Institute

- Shanks TG, Burns DM (1998). "Disease consequences of cigar smoking

- 2008-10-21 Dollar KM, Mix JM, Kozlowski LT (2008). "Little cigars, big cigars: omissions and commissions of harm and harm reduction information on the Internet"

- "Questions and answers about cigar smoking and cancer" National Cancer Institute

F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say! :smiley2:

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

- Symm B, Morgan MV, Blackshear Y, Tinsley S (2005). "Cigar smoking: an ignored public health threat". J Prim

- Burns DM (1998). "Cigar smoking: overview and current state of the science". In Shopland DR, Burns DM, Hoffman D, Cummings KM, Amacher

- Cigars: Health Effects and Trends. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph No. 9. National Cancer Institute

- Shanks TG, Burns DM (1998). "Disease consequences of cigar smoking

- 2008-10-21 Dollar KM, Mix JM, Kozlowski LT (2008). "Little cigars, big cigars: omissions and commissions of harm and harm reduction information on the Internet"

- "Questions and answers about cigar smoking and cancer" National Cancer Institute

F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say! :smiley2:

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Is there something wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by Paddy

Is there something wrong with you?

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:smiley36::smiley36:

I enjoy smoking cigars.

Well, it's interesting to me.

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Originally Posted by TheGreekTitan

I enjoy smoking cigars.

Well, it's interesting to me.

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Cigars ? or the cutting & Pasting of random and duplicitous facts? :smiley2:

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

[SIZE=3][FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

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F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say! :smiley2:

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Thanks for the references. As far as I know, they are studies, not facts.

I guess I'll join in

Anatomy of a Cigar

Cigar can be divided to several functional parts both in its length and in depth.

Vertically it consists of a cap, body and foot.


Cap is a loose piece of tobacco applied to the top of a cigar with natural glue. It prevents the wrapper from unraveling.


Body is the main part of cigar.


Foot (also called Tuck) is the other end of the cigar; that you light.


The body of a cigar consists of three main layers:


Filler - tobacco leaves in the middle of the cigar. The leaves that are used for the filler usually come from the top of the plant, called Ligero. They are dark and oily, burn slow and deliver most of the flavor. Filler can be long or short.


Long filler is filled with long tobacco leaves. Cigars with long filler are usually handmade, and all premium handmade cigars have long filler


Short Filler is filled with cut up pieces of tobacco, in a machine made cigar.


Binder is a tough, coarse tobacco leaf that holds the filler and the wrapper together. The leaves are harvested from the middle of the tobacco plant, Seco. They are lighter than Ligero in both color and flavor.


Wrapper is a silky leaf of tobacco that burns well. The leaves come from the bottom of the tobacco plant - Volado. The way cigar looks and feels on your lips totally depends on the wrapper.

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Originally Posted by Paddy

Cigars ? or the cutting & Pasting of random and duplicitous facts? :smiley2:

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Random and Duplicitous...I like that. :smiley20:

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

Here's where the statements come from (didn't think I would need to post justifications on a cigar forum but there you go):

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Cite your shit, always. Otherwise you're just a plagiarist, which is just a fancy word for a thief.

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Originally Posted by heftysmokes

Cite your shit, always. Otherwise you're just a plagiarist, which is just a fancy word for a thief.

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Whooops.....I got mine from Cigars4dummies.com :smiley36:

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Originally Posted by Paddy

Whooops.....I got mine from Cigars4dummies.com :smiley36:

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Ha! Are we entirely sure you didn't write The original cigars4dummies.com page and were embarrassed to have your name attached to it?

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Originally Posted by heftysmokes

Ha! Are we entirely sure you didn't write The original cigars4dummies.com page and were embarrassed to have your name attached to it?

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My wife actually bought me a hardcopy of Cigars for dummies as a gift last year. I smiled and said I loved it :smiley2:

Please cite fully.

As an aside, the first link has nothing to do with what you have posted, and says quite the opposite in a rather humourous manner - or perhaps my sense of humour isn't quite the same as many (Cigar smoking leads to increased rates of rectal cancer). I didn't search all of them, but the general theme was the exact opposite of your statements. Did you read any of your citations?

As a second aside, here is a pdf of an interesting cigar info, an analysis of cigar ratings: http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs..._WP_201036.pdf

fuck with an italian at your own peril????????? Seriously wtf is wrong with you ? Are you fucking retarded?

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

[SIZE=3][FONT=Palatino Linotype]Oh Brother .. am I really gonna have to do this .. here!!!

Yup! "Facts" pure and homegrown just like the tobacco-picking fields of Honduras!

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F*ck with an Italian at your peril - so they say! :smiley2:

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I suspect you believe there's only one Italian on his forum? ...far worse to f*ck with an Italian/German combo. :smiley36:

Well, seems as if my European humour is going down like the proverbial lead ballon with some of our North American cousins, lol! :smiley36:

Here, some cigar quotes to help the "WTF" brigade to calm down a little:

"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." - Rudyard Kipling

"I have made it a rule never to smoke more that one cigar at a time." - Mark Twain

"The only way to break a bad habit was to replace it with a better habit.” (explaining why he switched from cigarettes to cigars) – Jack Nicholson

and last, but by no means least:

"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form.” – Winston Churchill

CG :smiley37:

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

Well, seems as if my European humour is going down like the proverbial lead ballon with some of our North American cousins, lol! :smiley36:

Here, some cigar quotes to help the "WTF" brigade to calm down a little:

"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." - Rudyard Kipling

"I have made it a rule never to smoke more that one cigar at a time." - Mark Twain

"The only way to break a bad habit was to replace it with a better habit.” (explaining why he switched from cigarettes to cigars) – Jack Nicholson

and last, but by no means least:

"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form.” – Winston Churchill

CG :smiley37:

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European sense of humor? Yep, I'm sure that's the problem here.

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European sense of humor? Yep, I'm sure that's the problem here.

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The problem might be that in addition to many of us here not having any sense of context, we also struggle greatly with having sense of humor.

Ybor City near Tampa, Florida was once the cigar capital of the world. Many renown cigar producers from Cuba immigrated to Florida in the late 1800’s and Ybor became a flourishing cigar town with some 70 cigar factories.

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Ybor City near Tampa, Florida was once the cigar capital of the world. Many renown cigar producers from Cuba immigrated to Florida in the late 1800’s and Ybor became a flourishing cigar town with some 70 cigar factories.

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Have you even been to Ybor City?

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Originally Posted by Churchill's Ghost

Ybor City near Tampa, Florida was once the cigar capital of the world. Many renown cigar producers from Cuba immigrated to Florida in the late 1800’s and Ybor became a flourishing cigar town with some 70 cigar factories.

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Blunt force trauma to the head ?
It's the only explanation I can come up with.

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