i remember someone recently posting a link to the list of additives allowed in cigarettes. i've tried searching, but couldn't find it. can someone give me that link?
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i remember someone recently posting a link to the list of additives allowed in cigarettes. i've tried searching, but couldn't find it. can someone give me that link?
yep that's it. thanks! that second one says they add gold. weirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Bkcloud114
i didn't see it in there, but i may be listed under a different name. fiberglass is added to the menthol cigs for the mint flavor. my friend had to smoke those at his girlfriends house cause they wouldn't allow him to smoke his usual cigs.
that list is a list of "approved additives" for the tobacco industry by the FDA. It merely means that a tobacco company can add any one or combination of those to their tobacco.
Many people think that ALL of that list is in ALL cigarettes. That isn't the case.
I'm not defending it or opposing it now. Just pointing that out you know! :smiley1:
BTW, some cigar tobacco has "additives" too! :smiley7:
They are not regulated and the companies are not required to notify ANYONE of these additives. :smiley7: :smiley7:
Now I don't know to what extent premium cigars have additives. I remember reading of one though, I think it was a Jamaican brand. I can't recall for sure.
Remember, all flavored cigars have additives and you don't really know what they use for that! :smiley3:
Cigarettes are nasty period...
so what kind of additives are in cigars. premium unflavored.
Well.......er.......... :smiley36:
The brand I was trying to think about is Royal Jamaica. A nice cigar that I smoked when I was getting into cigars. Nice, mild.
The tobacco is sprayed with what they call "Bethune". I quote an internet article from CA. The link fo rthe whole story follows the quote.
"Royal Jamaicas have a distinctive smooth, woody taste, owed in large part to the mild Jamaican tobacco that makes up much of their filler. (Gore tends to leave the strongest leaves, the smallest ones, unpicked, and never removes the flowers from the top of the plant. This, he feels, smooths out the tobacco's flavor.) Another flavor factor is a bubbling cauldron inside the factory. It's filled with bethune, a mixture that includes rum, wine, vinegar and native herbs that workers spray on Jamaican tobacco after it cures. Gore says the bethune stops mold from forming on the tobacco during Jamaica's wet season and enhances the flavor of the cigars. As legend has it, the potion was created by Henry Winkle, who worked for Gore's grandfather. "It's like a witches' brew," jokes James L. Colucci, senior vice president of sales and marketing for Consolidated Cigar, "a secret formula. Robert keeps it very close to his vest. It's his Coca-Cola." "
The link to CA for the whole article
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,335,00.html
It's nothing scathing. It's actually just an article about RJ's "comeback" written in 1999.
Now I'm not saying that premium cigars are treated with some of the stuff that goes into cigarettes, but how do you know for sure?? :smiley15:
According to other stuff I've read, cigar manufacturers are not required to disclose anything that they might add to their tobacco.
Look at all the premium infused cigars on the market today. In particular the ACID line by Drew. I belive all of the stuff in them is organic, but for all I know they could include Llama urine along with God knows what else! :smiley11: Llama urine IS organic! :smiley36:
However, most of your machine made cigars to my understanding from a few internet articles I read do use various chemical additives and adhesives to control burn, to keep the binder stable, etc.
Don't worry. Our premiums are OK! ......... or are they? ...... :smiley3:
Ummmmm................................... :smiley13:
Let's not try to fool ourselves into believing cigar tobacco is any safer than cigarettes. Tobacco grows plenty of it's own dangerous chemicals naturally. The process of combustion produces many of the carcinogens and toxins. Smoke is BAD period. It doesn't really matter where it comes from.
Cigars are safer than cigs for lung cancer and more dangerous for cancers of the mouth and throat. It only makes sense since we smoke stronger tobacco and lots more of it. We just don't inhale the smoke, or smoke as often.
That being said. Smoking has been around a long time along with the dangers. Only recently, with modern medicine, have we beaten disease to the point where we can afford to worry about it. Smoking cigars in moderation is no more dangerous than many other activities.
Like sitting in front of a camp fire. :smiley36:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenyth
I think that your mouth takes more of a beating from a cigar than it does a campfire. Unless of course you pick up a burning or smoldering piece of wood and suck on it. :smiley36:
Always remember that you are taking a risk using any tobacco product.
Knock on wood. :smiley9:
I have read that if you smoke one cigar per day or less, your chances of getting various cancers of the throat/tongue etc are elevated, but nearly as high as those who smoke 2-3 sticks per day, and both of those pale in comparison to the chances for various cancers from smoking and inhaling cigarettes.
I'm not saying that smoking cigars is not hazardous, but research I have read shows it to be far less dangerous than smoking and inhaling cigarettes. It may also be due to the fact that cigarette smokers smoke much more frequently than cigar smokers, and inhale to boot.
So what your saying is i need to start smoking more cigars...sweetQuote:
Originally Posted by cigar no baka
Or less Cigarettes :-P
I have a hard time enjoying a cigar while thinking about cancer. The hazards of smoking anything cannot be denied. If it bothers you that much, find a different hobby. Otherwise, just smoke your goddamn cigar.
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Originally Posted by WinstonSpencer
Words to live by :smiley37:
I jsut turned 70 and have been smoking an average of 8 Cigars a day since I was around 30 years old and my health is better than my doctors .
HELL, WHO WANTS TO LIVE ANY LONGER THAN THAT???
Opie, I agree. The opportunity to be spared from a rest home the last 15 years of my life is actually part of the appeal of smoking for me. I bet if all these health nannies could watch a parent or grandparent turn into a vegetable from Alzheimer's disease like my great-grandpa did, they'd be less likely to see "longer lives" as such a utopian scenario. Of course, the opposite extreme isn't worth much either, but I'll take my chances, particularly considering how much I love cigars.
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Originally Posted by opie
Well Opie....I do. I wish I could live forever. Of course always in perfect health and mental state with the body of a 30 year-old.
Think of what you could see.
THINK OF ALL THE CIGARS YOU COULD SMOKE IN ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!! :smiley22:
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Originally Posted by opie
There is a quote worth keeping! :smiley20: :smiley37:
Think real hard about what you just said. The thought of living forever would drive me nuts. Life is already becoming boring. I couldn't stand another 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMAB
i'm sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by opie
but I can understand. I often discuss this with other folks and find that it's about a fifty-fifty split. Some would welcome living forever others not.
But I find life to be quite wonderful even though it has it's ups and downs. I would welcome the opportunity to live forever or at least several thousand years :smiley2:
I'm sorry that life has become boring for you. But there is so much to do and see in this world in my eyes. If I could live forever, eventually I wouldn't be bound to this planet! I could go out into the galaxy and beyond with civilization as it grows and explores. ( the theme from Star Trek begins to play in the background ) There would always be something new, something to learn and cigars to smoke! :smiley4:
Of course friends and family would have to be immortal too. It would suck a bit going on and on watching loved ones fade being replaced by others only to watch them fade too and so on and so on. But I think I could adjust. I think. :smiley22:
Ahhhh.......... to live so long! If you were also given the gift of youth and good health to go with it, you could try any number of careers! You could learn and master so much! Wow! What a concept!
The problem with this is that for it to be meaningful, your loved ones would need to have the same gift. Otherwise, you would experience a great deal of loss and guilt.
You got it Kenyth. I had mentioned those conditions earlier too. It would suck to see all your friends and family die. I would like to have the physical body of about thirty years old. Not too young not too old. Top health ALWAYS both physically and mentally.
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Originally Posted by opie
The heck with that, I've lived 38 years, and I find life interesting enough and varied that I could live ten times that number and never get bored!! Too many wimmen to meet, too many cigars to smoke, places to go, books to read, history in the making to see, and experiences to enjoy!!
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Originally Posted by cigar no baka
Been that age and had those exact thoughts. Want to know why you feel that way???
Because you are not 70.
Raced cars, jumped out of airplanes,skied down a mountain, Dived the Canyon in the Bahamas, made love to more women than I can remember, seen a sunset in Hiwaii, had 3 wives, 5 grand children, been poor, been middle income, been poor again, been to RTDA, smoked a Padron 1926, had a trophu wife, been to more Herf's than I can remember, what the hell else is there left to do??? :smiley29:
There's an entire world out there.
I'm 27, and I think living for ever would be great too. But I really see what Opie is saying. He speaks great wisdom! I too wonder if I won't feel the same way when I am that old. At 27, I have led a full life. And I can just imagine what the next 25 years holds, let alone 50!!!
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Originally Posted by opie
Well, I can think of a few hundred things but don't have the time to type them all.
along with top health I would have to say you would need to be financialy secure, that way you'd be able to actually do everything there is to do.
sort of like the guy on Highlander the TV series. But I don't want people coming after me trying to cut my head off! :smiley36:
Hey, we've hijacked this thread!
In the moment before you die it will not make one iota of difference whether you are 19 or 999. ALL you have is the moment, you could have a plane fall on you when you walk out the door. A hundred years after you are gone there will be no trace of you on this earth!