why do people hate people who smoke flavored cigars so much?
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why do people hate people who smoke flavored cigars so much?
... how bouts an intro first and who said anyone hates folks who smoke flavored cigars? Its more of a 'laugh at the noob' situation. Kind of like how people in wine circles laugh at peoplewho drink white zinfandel. Its just not that respected... too sweet... but if you like it, smoke it...
Defanitely a "laughing at a noob", nothing wrong with smoking them.
Ok ok... an intro. :)
My name is Kevin. I'm 26 years old, living in Orlando, FL. I started smoking cigars when I was in college, but it happened very rarely... maybe once a year. After college, a friend and I joined a billiard league, and would smoke cigars every week... but we were so poor, we smoked stuff like Swisher Sweets and Philly Blunts.... and honestly, I didn't mind them, but I didn't know any better. Also, we each ordered 2 pitchers of Bud Light. We were REALLY poor.
After a year, we quit playing pool, smoking cigars, and drinking (that much) beer. But recently, I decided to start smoking again. I'm less poor now... (still poor, but now LESS poor)... and stopped by a cigar store. I explained to the clerk that I was new to smoking and explained what I smoked in the past, and asked him to suggest some stuff. He led me over to the flavored cigar section where I picked out some ACID cigars that I absolutely loved.
The next time I went in, I talked to the same guy, told him I loved the ones I had last time and wanted to try something a step up. He gave me some cigar that he called the "cigarette smoker's cigar" because you could inhale and it would bother you, and blah blah blah. I don't even remember what it was because I hated it. No... I did not try inhaling, but I'm fairly certain there were hints of dirt and dog poop.
So I started thinking, this guy probably gave this to me because he knew I liked cheap flavored cigars.... you know, just to get me out of the store. Then I thought... I know! I'll go online and talk to other cigar smokers and see what THEY like. I did a search for ACID cigars and came across this site. And the first thread I saw was someone asking about Drew Estate Subculture, and everyone "frowning upon" any Drew Estate cigars.
Then looking at other boards and sites, I realized that it's a general rule... flavored cigars are frowned upon. I was just wondering why. I'm a "smoke what you like" kind of guy.
But also, what do you suggest as a non-flavored cigar for someone who generally likes flavored cigars?
Thanks, guys!
Nice intro. Welcome from Utah.Quote:
Originally Posted by djinjekted
Everyone starts somewhere. I started with flavoreds like Maker's Marks, Kahlua, and Cojimars. That was a short lived phase, but it was obviously necessary to get to the point where I am. We like to clown around and bust balls over flavored cigars and especially gas station cigars because we are passionate about this hobby. We know there is so much more out there to enjoy and to do so, one must at least leave their current smokes if even for a few cigars.
A nice transitional cigar from flavored to non would be the Java. From there, start mild-medium. Try the Padron x000 series, a Fuente Chateu or Hemingway, maybe a Baccarat or a Sancho Panza Cabalero. Casa Toranos are a fantastic milder smoke as are Ashton Classics. Stay clear of the Macanudos.
You are right though... ...when it is all said and done, smoke what you like and like what you smoke!
I've said it before... if you like your cigars on a bun with ketchup & mustard, go for it. It's much more about the commorodity than the cigars. When you're sitting down with another cigar smoker enjoying their company and conversation it really doesn't matter what you're smoking, as long as you are enjoying it.
Welcome.
Thanks for the welcome! It's good to know it's more of a ball-busting than a true hatred for flavored-cigar smokers.Quote:
Originally Posted by slcraiders
I'm definitely willing to stray from flavored cigars... I love trying new things. Thank you for the suggestions. I looked up the Java and it sounds good. I'll definitely be giving that a try. I'm keeping a list of suggested cigars, and I'm slowly making my way through them. I generally smoke 1 suggested cigar for every 3 flavored cigars. I'll slowly adjust the ratio to have more non-flavored than flavored.
One cigar I recently tried was a Don Pepin Garcia Series JJ. I thoroughly enjoyed it, for about 10 minutes. Then I got entirely sick. I don't know why. I wasn't inhaling.
Thanks again!
Try eating first and smoking a little slower. Have something to drink nearby and experiment with different beverage/cigar combinations. The combination definately affects the flavors of a cigar (think about how orange juice tastes right after you brush your teeth.) Usually drawing once per minute or so works out well. The cigar will burn much better, too. Learn how to purge a cigar if it gets harsh or bitter. Pretty soon you'll be a pro!Quote:
Originally Posted by djinjekted
smoke what you like.
Most people who smoked cigars for a while then tried acids are turned off by them.
But if you like them, more power to you. You might grow away from them as you try different cigars that aren't flavored, but you might not.
Either way,
Welcome to cigarsmokers.
For the most part, it is just ball-busting. But if you enjoy it, by all means go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by djinjekted
I personally hate flavored (infused :smiley36:) smokes, but that definitely does not make me hate the person who smokes them.
Ya know, my local liquor store has some pineapple flavored cigars. On one hand, my interest is stirred. I kind of wonder what a pineapple cigar would taste like. But on the other hand, they've been there exposed, not in a humidor for god only know how long. They're probably ruined anyway.
I admit, I've had a couple Acid Juicy Lucys. I like the pre-light flavor of them but once lit there's nothing special about them.
Thanks... and actually, you made me think of a good point. "Most people who smoked cigars for a while then tried acids are turned off by them."Quote:
Originally Posted by nhcigarfan
I suppose that's like trying the world's best cake, then eating a little debbie snack cake.
Sometimes I just need something to keep my mouth busy, and don't have the time to actually sit and enjoy a good cigar... plus I'm broke most of the time. So I'll buy a pack of gas station or a liquor store cigars because it's like $2.50 for a pack of 5. They may not be the best, but it does the trick. Plus, I don't feel so bad putting it out halfway through the cigar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dru Lee Parsec
Go get some Don Kiki's according to your strength level. You won't be sorry. Cheap, hits the spot, and it is the cigar I compare every other cigar I smoke to.
Don Kiki's are really good. Especially the Brown Labels.Quote:
Originally Posted by HersheyWalker
Awesome... I will definitely pick some up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDurrani
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by djinjekted
hold on, slow down, slow down... lets get the right cigar for you... yes the brown lable is great, but its a med-full flavored cigar.. i'd suggest picking up the DK sampler first and trying the different levels green is mild, red is med, brown is strong.... if you're just switching from flavoreds, you may well not enjoy the brown label at all. It took a buddy of mine quite a while before he enjoyed the brown; but the red, he loved from the first puff.
yeah, A good idea to start with the red or green labels.
I received a Don Kiki sampler with my humidor purchase, it contained 15 red and green label cigars.
Good deal, 30 bucks for the humi(20-25 count), 15 cigars and a cutter.
I just came in from smoking an Acid, have a few "big nasty" I think (I'm too lazy and comfortable to get up and make sure that it the correct name. It was a good change, it doesn't seem as good as I once thought, but good enough for me to hang on the ones I have and smoke them eventually. Which leads me to, I don't know if it is mentioned in this thread, or if you have read elsewhere, but DO NOT store flavored cigars with others, it'll just make the others start to taste like the flavored.Quote:
Originally Posted by djinjekted
Welcome from the UK.
Try samplers, maybe even the newbee thread. It can take time to find exactly what you like, but it is worth the effort.
When I was younger I smoked quite a a lot of King Edwards that were infused with brandy, grew out of it though.
Oh cool. Thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by ReV
:smiley40:
Welcome from SC. I have friends who smoke gas station cigars and have no problem at all with it. The problem is when someone goes on a cigar forum and starts talking about how great those cigars are. Well they are great.. to them. I have to admit, I have an occasional COA Vanilla. Mostly when I'm in a situation where torching a "real" cigar would draw alot of grief on myself. I keep a tin around and take one along when I think I might need something that isn't too bad to smoke and actually smells sorta nice to non cigar smokers. Oh yea, and alot of us laugh at Macanudo smokers too.
All the samplers I bought have taught me is what a great stick the Don's are. Beelee dat!Quote:
Originally Posted by stjohnroe
If you smoke a cigar and it makes you sick, it is probably too strong for you, for now. Try some of the milder smokes. Cuesta-rey is pretty mild and so are Astrals. While some of these guys have suggested Padrons they may be a bit too strong for you also. Baccarats and Helix are pretty mild,Ashton Cabinets, Casa Torano, Gisperts and CAO Golds are a bit stronger.Stay away from most of the smokes that contain corojo like most Don Pepin until you get used to smoking cigars.:smiley37:Gene
Oh, that's really good info. Thank you so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunkyX
I recently smoked a Drew Estate Chateau Real, and really enjoyed it.
Welcome from VA!
Try smoking mild-med bodied cigars first. It seems like you are not ready for a full-bodied cigar. We don't want you to associate a good cigar with getting sick. Don Pepins are great cigars, but they definitely kick your butt if you aren't careful.
Money is definitely an issue when it comes to this hobby. I feel it's worth saving the money and getting a box of decent smokes than spending $2.50 for cheap cigars every week. That's just me though.
It seems like you are on the right path, and I hope you find the right cigars for you and share about your trials and errors with us here. The best part about getting into the cigar hobby is, TRYING all the different cigars out there. Just like the wine and liquor hobby, if you call those hobbies, too ;-).
Andrew
Haha thanks... my wife calls my "wine and liquor hobby" a "problem". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyCold5
as another new guy i will give you a couple recommendations that i have liked so far.
1. CAO Gold Robusto (well built, mild, lots of smoke, and a nice clean finish)
2. Arturo Fuente Flor Fina 8-5-8 (again well built and lots of smoke with a little more body then the CAO but not at all overpowering, even on an empty stomach)
and both are less then 5 bucks a stick at my local B&M
I personally don't hate any cigar smokers because of what they smoke. But my I do hate flavored cigars. They usually taste very artificial and cloying. And I always feel that they must be putting shit tobacco in them, as the overwhelming flavors would disguise the most urine-infested tobacco.
But as others have said, smoke what you like. As long as you're not smoking White Owls or Backwoods and singing their praises, I won't sling any poop at you.