Humidors and ministers and the way some cigar communities work

[ashauler]

Good post Craig. I disagree that anyone is expected to lose money when trading/selling.....only not profit. If you paid more than MSRP, on say an OPUSx, you should price it at what you paid, and clearly state that in your sell, but you would not be expected to price it at MSRP.

ETA: Our standard for honesty and integrity, IMHO, extends to manning up and standing behing what you post. Kaeleria, your post on CP indeed referenced "other boards". A look around at the other cigar boards you are a member of didn't show any real overt controversy with HM that I saw......except this one. Your comment was directed at this board and by default our members. As Basil stated, by posting here, you are condoning behaviour and members that at other places embarrasses you.

So, which is it:
Did you make an ill advised statement that you regret? or
Are you so consumed with your desire to publicize your site that you would post anywhere?

[craig]

Good post Craig. I disagree that anyone is expected to lose money when trading/selling.....only not profit. If you paid more than MSRP, on say an OPUSx, you should price it at what you paid, and clearly state that in your sell, but you would not be expected to price it at MSRP.

Yup, yup, I was thinking in terms of boxes, peanuts, gas, tape, etc., - not being forced to an MSRP. Thus, there's always a small loss. I'll re-word that bit to make it clearer.

[ggiese]

I tried to share my craft here. You started by insulting me. I would have helped anyone that wanted to build their own. I would have got any of you set up with the finest suppliers in the woodworking world. I would have taught anyone that open their mind to it. I would have even made pieces for you to use if you weren't equipped to do it yourself. You think you are so sophisticated, well you're not. You're a very bitter bunch. I'll be removing my pictures and my website. What I had to offer far outweighs what you brought to the table. You haven't hurt my feelings a bit. I just feel sorry for you. I'll go back to smoking a fantastic cigar while doing my craft. Have a nice life.

In a nutshell - the statement "What I had to offer far outweighs what you brought to the table." puts you in a totally different place in the community. Once you believe that, things will go downhill fast...

[kaelaria]

Ashauler either you are the type of personality that likes to try and bait people, or you seriously have a reading comprehension deficiency. I'm not going through it again because I'm not the type of personality that gets baited, and I don't have patience for the other kind of people. Re-read my sentence and for the last time, I did not direct my comment about a board, or it's members. I commented on other people's behavior (including yours) here and elsewhere. That simply means the individuals have been behaving poorly (IMO) in multiple places. It does NOT mean anything negative about WHERE they were doing it. So in short, the attempt at riling up members here on the false pretense that they have somehow been insulted is a dead-end. The only people that should take offense(and/or be ashamed IMO) are those that made the rude, insulting, personally attacking remarks about the guy on a personal level.

I understand where you guys are coming from in your respects and feelings for the industry and it's practices. Whether or not anyone breaks your preferred methods I didn't feel some of the hurtful, rude, baiting, etc. remarks made in the various threads were something to be proud of. Whether you think you are 100% right in everything you did (speaking to those that made remarks) bear in mind that other people feel this way.

One question I do have though is - if this guy was so terrible for whatever reasons, why was he not simply banned by the admin(s)? Does this forum simply run by the group consensus in any way they feel?

Ashauler, I will be ignoring all your future posts, I have absolutely no interest in having any further conversations with you.

[ashauler]

Ashauler either you are the type of personality that likes to try and bait people, or you seriously have a reading comprehension deficiency. I'm not going through it again because I'm not the type of personality that gets baited, and I don't have patience for the other kind of people. Re-read my sentence and for the last time, I did not direct my comment about a board, or it's members. I commented on other people's behavior (including yours) here and elsewhere. That simply means the individuals have been behaving poorly (IMO) in multiple places. It does NOT mean anything negative about WHERE they were doing it. So in short, the attempt at riling up members here on the false pretense that they have somehow been insulted is a dead-end. The only people that should take offense(and/or be ashamed IMO) are those that made the rude, insulting, personally attacking remarks about the guy on a personal level.

I read and comprehend just fine, perhaps you are just in denial. I don't think you'll find any instances of me baiting anyone, if you can, please post them up. Confronting dishonest individuals with questionable character.....yep, I'm guilty of that. Also people that come here to take from the community as opposed to being contributing members are similarly confronted, not just by me, but rather by the community.

I understand where you guys are coming from in your respects and feelings for the industry and it's practices. Whether or not anyone breaks your preferred methods I didn't feel some of the hurtful, rude, baiting, etc. remarks made in the various threads were something to be proud of. Whether you think you are 100% right in everything you did (speaking to those that made remarks) bear in mind that other people feel this way.

I know other people feel the way that I, and other members here feel. Thanks for the affirmation though.

One question I do have though is - if this guy was so terrible for whatever reasons, why was he not simply banned by the admin(s)? Does this forum simply run by the group consensus in any way they feel?

Obviously you haven't read the forum rules, nor have you taken any time to read and figure out how this fourm functions. This failure on your part speaks volumes.

Ashauler, I will be ignoring all your future posts, I have absolutely no interest in having any further conversations with you.

Now I'm hurt. For some reason though, I don't think I'm the only one you'll have to be putting on ignore since you refuse to answer any of the questions posed to you.

[ggiese]

What I find very interesting is the thought that your argument is supported by those that privately and quietly support your thoughts. I hate to tell you - there are substantial numbers of individuals that quietly appreciate the crew that creates an environment where they can have little fear they will be taken advantage of.

I see where you're coming from, though - you own/run a photography business and if you pick up a few good leads because you make friends at a cigar site - hey! More power to ya! But if you're doing a "hobby" that's actually a business - or you're trying to grow your "hobby"/business through constant self-promotion - it will be a rough row to hoe. That's not what this forum is for, and you should not expect it to be that way. This site was never intended to be an info-mercial platform.

[badwhale]

What I find very interesting is the thought that your argument is supported by those that privately and quietly support your thoughts. I hate to tell you - there are substantial numbers of individuals that quietly appreciate the crew that creates an environment where they can have little fear they will be taken advantage of.

I see where you're coming from, though - you own/run a photography business and if you pick up a few good leads because you make friends at a cigar site - hey! More power to ya! But if you're doing a "hobby" that's actually a business - or you're trying to grow your "hobby"/business through constant self-promotion - it will be a rough row to hoe. That's not what this forum is for, and you should not expect it to be that way. This site was never intended to be an info-mercial platform.

Quietly nods head.

Will

[heftysmokes]

Now George, I'm sure what Cholera has to bring to the table far outweighs what...shit, never mind. Somebody already used that line.

[heftysmokes]

SNIP
One question I do have though is - if this guy was so terrible for whatever reasons, why was he not simply banned by the admin(s)? Does this forum simply run by the group consensus in any way they feel?
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Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!! Go read up and you'll find that is exactly how we do things around here.