Gun Owning Smokers

**Kenyth** · 03-10-2010, 10:33 AM

I agree. It's already tough enough with the anti-gun crowd. Concealed carry makes everyone more comfortable and removes the intimidation factor.

Criminals, irresponsible people, and gun control propaganda are really wreaking havok on gun owners. Hell, my own wife doesn't even like the fact that I OWN guns anymore, much less want to carry them. She's been bombarded by anti-gun propaganda based on child safety. I can see this causing problems in the future for us. I can't hide them from the child forever. They have to be used and cleaned sometime.

For the record, they are locked in a steel cabinet in the bedroom closet and I carry the only two keys to it on my keyring. I keep the Glock loaded and holstered on the top shelf for quick access in an emergency. Maybe I should keep it unloaded now that the boy is turning 5, just in case. I'll just keep the mag next to it.

**badwhale** · 03-10-2010, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kenyth

For the record, they are locked in a steel cabinet in the bedroom closet and I carry the only two keys to it on my keyring. I keep the Glock loaded and holstered on the top shelf for quick access in an emergency. Maybe I should keep it unloaded now that the boy is turning 5, just in case. I'll just keep the mag next to it.

I'd take him to the range, and start preaching gun safety. I believe, (and I suspect you do too) that's the best precaution.

Will

**Kenyth** · 03-10-2010, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by badwhale

I'd take him to the range, and start preaching gun safety. I believe, (and I suspect you do too) that's the best precaution.

Will

Though I think five is too young to comprehend guns, death, and gun safety, I agree that understanding weapons and knowing safety is the key. Mom won't be having any of that though, even when it's time. I'm not sure why she married a war veteran with a gun cabinet if she was this squeamish about firearms.

**MarineOne** · 03-11-2010, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kenyth

Though I think five is too young to comprehend guns, death, and gun safety, I agree that understanding weapons and knowing safety is the key.

Kids are visual learners. Why do you think Seasame Street, Barney, TeleTubbies, etc., are so popular? It's geared for the way "they" think, so when we teach them something we need to do the same.

I took the curiousity out of guns in my home by getting them BB guns, making them treat them like they were real, and taking them to the range and letting them shoot.

We took some one gallon water jugs (Wal-Mart sells them for like 40 cents) and some red food coloring (Dollar Store, 99 cents) makes the visual part of your kid based training happen. Add the food coloring to the water, give a shake, and let them shoot it with their BB guns. I told my boys to shoot the water jugs, and once in a while you'd see a bubble or two from a slight puncture, but nothing more. Then I turned around, got them set with ear plugs, and explained why we don't touch Dad's guns. 7.62x39 HP from my SKS made those water jugs jump off the ground and blew colored water all over the place. The look of shock on their faces let me know I made my point, and then we talked about what would happen if the water jug was a person like Mom or Dad, or a friend they had over to the house.

This was a few years ago, and my oldest is now my shooting buddy. My youngest has natural talent (shoots better than his brother) so I'm going to try to get him into target shooting and I'm replacing the upper on my AR so I can put glass on it for him to use.

It's all about what you teach, and how you teach it.

**mrtr33** · 03-10-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Eville

Taking it to the range this week and shooting peas of course!

If you can shoot peas with an M44, salud!

Originally Posted by badwhale

I'd take him to the range, and start preaching gun safety. I believe, (and I suspect you do too) that's the best precaution.

Will

My nephew turns 2 next month. I originally suggested a BB gun, then a pocketknife. Both got shot down. The wife's thinking about a pop-gun. I can't think of a worse suggestion. I suppose I have to wait a bit longer.

Originally Posted by Kenyth

I agree. It's already tough enough with the anti-gun crowd. Concealed carry makes everyone more comfortable and removes the intimidation factor.

Criminals, irresponsible people, and gun control propaganda are really wreaking havok on gun owners. Hell, my own wife doesn't even like the fact that I OWN guns anymore, much less want to carry them. She's been bombarded by anti-gun propaganda based on child safety. I can see this causing problems in the future for us. I can't hide them from the child forever. They have to be used and cleaned sometime.

For the record, they are locked in a steel cabinet in the bedroom closet and I carry the only two keys to it on my keyring. I keep the Glock loaded and holstered on the top shelf for quick access in an emergency. Maybe I should keep it unloaded now that the boy is turning 5, just in case. I'll just keep the mag next to it.

Could not be more agreed, Ken. Say, for that Glock, what about a trigger guard? Or would that defeat the purpose as well? And how do you like the grips on those Glocks? I like them a lot, and find them more comfortable in my huge paws than, say, a 1911. I'm hesitant, however, because my wife's hands are small.

**Tdre977** · 03-10-2010, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by mrtr33

Could not be more agreed, Ken. Say, for that Glock, what about a trigger guard? Or would that defeat the purpose as well? And how do you like the grips on those Glocks? I like them a lot, and find them more comfortable in my huge paws than, say, a 1911. I'm hesitant, however, because my wife's hands are small.

I personally love my Glock more than my 1911, maybe because its my daily carry I've grown to like it more. But when i moved in with my old lady and took her shooting with it (figure she should know how to work it) she didn't care for it, she does however like the S&W .38 Special revolver i have. I guess the recoil of a semi-auto action was kind of intimidating to her.

**Kenyth** · 03-11-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by mrtr33

If you can shoot peas with an M44, salud!

My nephew turns 2 next month. I originally suggested a BB gun, then a pocketknife. Both got shot down. The wife's thinking about a pop-gun. I can't think of a worse suggestion. I suppose I have to wait a bit longer.

Could not be more agreed, Ken. Say, for that Glock, what about a trigger guard? Or would that defeat the purpose as well? And how do you like the grips on those Glocks? I like them a lot, and find them more comfortable in my huge paws than, say, a 1911. I'm hesitant, however, because my wife's hands are small.

I own the Glock 33 pocket rocket with night sights in .357 SIG. It's quite simply the most reliable weapon I've ever fired. It has never misfired. Not even once. The light DA trigger is a no brainer for ease of use and safety. I would recommend this handgun to anyone.

**Paddy** · 03-11-2010, 07:00 PM

Yup !
Springfeild Armory 1911 GI.45
My handgun of choice.
Just like Amex - Never leave home without it

**Eville** · 03-11-2010, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kenyth

The light DA trigger is a no brainer for ease of use and safety. .

I never understood why they call it a DA trigger. By definition, a DA trigger should both cock the gun and fire the gun in one motion. However, a Glock's trigger only releases the striker, which should make it a SA. If you try to dry fire it twice in a row without racking the slid for the second shot, nothing happens. Or am I missing something here.

**Abyr** · 03-11-2010, 08:10 PM

Actually, a Glock isn't completely cocked, the trigger finishes cocking it and releases it. It's still not a double action, but it really isn't a single action either.

The striker firing mechanism has a spring-loaded firing pin that is cocked in two stages, powered by the firing pin spring. When the pistol is charged, the firing pin is in the half-cock position. As the trigger is pulled, the striker is then fully cocked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

**Eville** · 03-11-2010, 08:16 PM

Ohhh, thanks for clearing that up, it's been bugging me for a while.

**Tdre977** · 03-11-2010, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Eville

I never understood why they call it a DA trigger. By definition, a DA trigger should both cock the gun and fire the gun in one motion. However, a Glock's trigger only releases the striker, which should make it a SA. If you try to dry fire it twice in a row without racking the slid for the second shot, nothing happens. Or am I missing something here.

I think the technical name is DAO (double action only) But with the "Glock safe" design even after racking the slide the gun is more like half-cocked and the trigger pull completes the cocking action. I think this has to do with the drop safety on the Glock as well.

**Tdre977** · 03-11-2010, 08:16 PM

beat me to the punch when i was refrencing my Glock book. (damn you wikipedia!)

**Abyr** · 03-11-2010, 08:41 PM

Lol, sorry about that, I knew it but I wanted to back it up.

DAO doesn't fit either. If it was a DAO, you could cock and fire it while empty, without working the slide.

**Paddy** · 03-12-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Eville

I never understood why they call it a DA trigger. By definition, a DA trigger should both cock the gun and fire the gun in one motion. However, a Glock's trigger only releases the striker, which should make it a SA. If you try to dry fire it twice in a row without racking the slid for the second shot, nothing happens. Or am I missing something here.

I at one time had a PPK with a double trigger. I disliked that gun. The only advantage I found to the PPK was it was easily hidden in the small of my back.

**Kenyth** · 03-12-2010, 08:59 AM

I've always heard of that particular action referred to as "Light Double Action". It's a hybrid that is supposed to combine the speed and aiming advantage of a single action with the safety of a double action. Even if the hammer fell from the half cocked position (which it wouldn't), it couldn't fire the round.

Glock also puts the safety switch right on the trigger. Your fingertip disengages it when you pull the trigger. The safer design does not require a seperate safty switch to lock the trigger from an accidental pull.

An itchy trigger finger is still dangerous though. So watch it Paddy! You've got a nervous twitch in your eye.