You do not get legitimate Cuban cigars at deal prices in Cuba...Do you have any clue how much a real Esplenditos costs? Nobody here is gonna purchase a fake Cuban cigar.
Tell you what...Sacrifice one of the cigars. Take a razor blade and cut along the length of the wrapper. Unroll the tobacco and post a pic of the tobacco inside. Photograph the head of the cigar...Post a pic. Photograph the foot of the cigar...Post a pic.
How did you legally get Cuban cigars into the country? Are you a diplomat? Was your trip to Cuba sanctioned by the US government? Travel there is pretty much forbidden. Show us the paperwork the government issued you to import these cigars. Did you know you committed a crime in Cuba by undermining their tax system? Did you know the Cuban government issues a receipt for cigars purchased on the island. Do you know you are committing a crime by importing illegal items from Cuba? We have a trade embargo on them. Do you know you are committing a crime by trying to sell contraband here? Did you know you possibly have put your cousin in legal trouble in Cuba by acquiring cigars that did not go through proper channels there?
You are a fucktard...An ignorant one at that.
Easy guys -- I'm gonna be hella-pissed if I don't get my free Fauxhiba.
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Having looked at the pictures, I am even more confident that these are in fact counterfeits -- but I will reserve my final judgment until the cigar has arrived.
Take a look at this website -- in particular the "Additional Helpful Tips" towards the bottom. http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/counterfeit/
How many of those sound remarkably similar to what has been said/posted in this thread? I don't know you -- you may be the most honest and truthful person on the planet -- but I can't asses your veracity because I DON'T KNOW YOU. You clearly have your doubts about whether they are legit, so it shouldn't surprise you that we do as well.
The more I look at what is on the linked page, the more I chuckle -- take special note of items 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10 under "Additional Helpful Tips" -- its like it was written in response to this thread...
Last edited by EGQ; 12-28-2010 at 04:05 PM. Reason: Added reference to item 10 from linked page -- my bad
The only reason one of the cigars looked shorter is because it might have been up towards the top of the box when I took the pictures.
Sorry, I cannot send anymore for free but if some of you guys lived nearby, I wouldn't mind sharing some of these and maybe smoking one with you all. It would be my first to smoke and maybe we could share our impressions.
I will work on getting a picture of the bottom of the box posted.
Thanks for a run down of the laws pertaining to Cuban cigars and Cuban travel. I have family there and can travel at will to visit them. Had you paid attention to my initial post, you maybe would have read the reason I went there in the first place. My father passed away, and I had to go spread his ashes, as that was his last request. Maybe you should read up a little more regarding the laws on travel to Cuba before you start advising others of the rules and regulations. I can't stand people who speak authoritatively on a subject they know nothing of. You would be surprised at how people get things in Cuba. Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home. I don't know if these cigars are like that or not, but that is for all of you "experts" to decide. It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality. No crime has been committed here my friend so don't get all legal eagle on me.
I WILL NOT sacrifice another cigar, as I am already sending one to EGQ to sample. Furthermore, with all of the bad attitudes on this forum, I am not inclined to cut open a cigar. Had the reception been different from the start, I might have. However, I am appalled and surprised at some of the language and attitudes by some taken on this thread. Seriously, I thought cigar smokers would have more class than this.
Really, I have a good mind to cancel everything on this forum if you are going to get into all the legalese of Cuban cigars. I am already getting ripped off as is obvious by only selling them for $200. I have been advised by people outside this forum that I can get much more. I thought people like yourself wouldn't be so uptight about the laws governing cigars and just wanted to enjoy some of the best cigars in the world from the greatest cigar producing country, but if you are going to start listing all of the laws, than we can all forget about Cohiba's. That is, all except EGQ, who got lucky and will be able to enjoy one for free. Obviously, your passion is not cigars, but international law.
I don't feel the need to discuss who I am, if I am a diplomat, etc... as all that information is extraneous to the discussion of the item at hand. So, if you want to perform an investigation, go to a criminal justice discussion forum.
No, I don't know how much genuine Esplendidos sell for. How much? You may convince me to raise my price on the next person I find that is interested.
Also, taxes were paid on these cigars and everything was done legally. I think I had said this previously.
Here is a link of the photo of the bottom of the box.
http://picasaweb.google.com/webworm1...53387114165538
Last edited by webworm13; 12-28-2010 at 04:49 PM. Reason: Additional Information
Just because the cigars are in a "sealed box" does not mean they are not of questionable quality. Bad argument, sparky...
Just because you think I know nothing of what I speak - does not mean that I know nothing of what I speak.
Having been around the block a few times, I can tell you that "Most cigars as well as other goods in Cuba are obtained by friends or family members or someone who knows someone else" equates to counterfeit cigars.
I suppose one could make the argument that they the cigars you possess are "Cuban" - they could be. But what you have in your possession are as much real Cohiba's as the Rolex watches sold on the streets of Kingston, Jamaica.
And those Cohiba's you possess are as likely authentic as the gold jewelry they sell "on the word" of the street vendors in downtown Chicago.
So you cannot attest to the fact that the cigars are authentic - other than to say that you "assume" your relative would not sell you anything other than what is real. You know what they say about "ASS-U-ME", don't you???
...and you'd be better off peddling your fake cigars on Craig's list.
We're just sayin'...
I've grown bored with this thread...
I think you are wrong about the legalities, but hey, you must be part Cuban, so you should know. Also, since you're part Cuban, you must know that Esplendidos manufactured at home from pilfered tobacco smuggled out of a factory God only knows how (what the fuck did I just agree to test?) are of the same quality as those manufactured at the factory and sold legitimately. Do you really not see the flaws in your statements or the problem with trying to sell these cigars as authentic Esplendidos?
Please calm down niblett...Don't pull your sale due to my ignorance. By the way...The corresponding authorities have taken notice of your sale.
"Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home."
...and band them with a fake "Cohiba" band to make them attractive to others that would not otherwise buy them.
"It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality."
...and you accuse this community of being ignorant...
Please don't yank the sale Ms. Otero. And buzz wasn't kidding, he is kinda close to you.
Becky (aka tapeworm) - would you please throw in a hair cut if I buy some of those cigars?
Everything written here is interesting...You say people steal cigar leaves and roll em at home. But you say nothing has been illegal in this transaction. Please take notice that Cuban Americans can bring back Cuban cigars if the domestic value is less than $100. You are also prohibited from selling them. They must be for personal use. Your travel license to Cuba can be revoked and criminal proceedings can be undertaken for your sale. You obviously don't give a crap about ever visiting your family there again...You are apparently a low life.
I don't understand why it is not up to us to decide if the cigars are fake or not...You are trying to sell them to us. Nobody wants to buy fake Cuban cigars on this board.
Please niblett...Think before you post.
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