Bhk 54s real or fake

**bigbill1300** · 03-29-2011, 10:04 PM

Are these real or fake,The picture is kind of hard to see it was sent to my cell phone.

**Eville** · 03-29-2011, 10:09 PM

Uhhhhh...

**b.read** · 03-29-2011, 10:19 PM

Not sure about everyone else, but it'd be more fun to play the guessing game with these:

Just my two pennies

**bigbill1300** · 03-29-2011, 10:22 PM

Nice It would not bother me if those were fake. I would take them anyway.

**b.read** · 03-29-2011, 10:23 PM

Yessir!

**heftysmokes** · 03-29-2011, 10:34 PM

Can't tell with a picture that size but I was temporary keeper of two boxes of bhk's from a distributor I know to be legit and am skeptical. Can you get some better pics, not only of the cigars, but of the packaging?

And even if everyone on this board agrees they are legit, I hope you're not going to try to sell them anytime soon.

**ggiese** · 03-30-2011, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by b.read

Not sure about everyone else, but it'd be more fun to play the guessing game with these:

Just my two pennies

I have a lot of experience in these matters and I vote for real!!!

**mrtr33** · 03-30-2011, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by b.read

Originally Posted by ggiese

I have a lot of experience in these matters and I vote for real!!!

See, I disagree, even though I undoubtedly lack the experience you have. Look how she's leaning forward - then look at her necklace. I'd think, if she was leaning forward to show off the cleav, her necklace would be slightly off of her chest. But it's not - it's laying flat. Which leads me to believe that she's hunched over, from the obnoxious disproportional weight of her bust. Her arms are positioned behind her, in part for balance, but also in part to probably keep her equilibrium stable and not fall over. Also, behind the smile, and even in her eyes a little bit, it looks like she's grimacing, if just a little bit.

**heftysmokes** · 03-30-2011, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by mrtr33

See, I disagree, even though I undoubtedly lack the experience you have. Look how she's leaning forward - then look at her necklace. I'd think, if she was leaning forward to show off the cleav, her necklace would be slightly off of her chest. But it's not - it's laying flat. Which leads me to believe that she's hunched over, from the obnoxious disproportional weight of her bust. Her arms are positioned behind her, in part for balance, but also in part to probably keep her equilibrium stable and not fall over. Also, behind the smile, and even in her eyes a little bit, it looks like she's grimacing, if just a little bit.

Co-sign. That was a thorough and detailed analysis. You must have spent a lot of time, well, um...looking at them.

**ggiese** · 03-30-2011, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by mrtr33

See, I disagree, even though I undoubtedly lack the experience you have. Look how she's leaning forward - then look at her necklace. I'd think, if she was leaning forward to show off the cleav, her necklace would be slightly off of her chest. But it's not - it's laying flat. Which leads me to believe that she's hunched over, from the obnoxious disproportional weight of her bust. Her arms are positioned behind her, in part for balance, but also in part to probably keep her equilibrium stable and not fall over. Also, behind the smile, and even in her eyes a little bit, it looks like she's grimacing, if just a little bit.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Slow down there, sparky!

I'm very impressed with your obervations - and it's clearly obvious you've jumped face first into this analysis. I fully understand and appreciate the zealousness of the quest you've undertaken to get to the truth.

"Look how she's leaning forward - then look at her necklace. I'd think, if she was leaning forward to show off the cleav, her necklace would be slightly off of her chest. But it's not - it's laying flat."
I'm not certain that you can make that assumption based upon the picture. And (more importantly) where do you see a necklace in that photo? I surely don't see any necklace in that photo, and my eyes is perfectly fine!

"Her arms are positioned behind her, in part for balance, but also in part to probably keep her equilibrium stable and not fall over."
Again - a pretty cavalier assumption on your part. How could you possible surmise that "in part for balance, but also in part to probably keep her equilibrium and not fall over." Be careful when you're throwing out a "probably" in your argument.

No - I'm sorry... There is absolutely no evidence that the arms behind her back are in any way meant to bolster her balance or equilibrium. Clearly they're placed behind her back as a means of bolstering the view of the objects we're studying.

In other words - she's just trying to give you a better vantage point by which to assess whether them parts is real!

"Also, behind the smile, and even in her eyes a little bit, it looks like she's grimacing, if just a little bit."

"Grimace", you say?!

No - there's no grimace whatsover in that look. There's definitely a smile of confidence that you'll assess the puppies for exactly what they is!

I very much appreciate and understand your confusion, though. I was once where you're at. I've come to finally appreciate the years of dedicated study I endured to get to a point where I can properly assess the situation. I implore you to invest the same time and effort to get it right! Let's just say - the rewards are incredible.

Good luck with your quest, my friend!

garryyjr · 03-29-2011, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by b.read

Not sure about everyone else, but it'd be more fun to play the guessing game with these:

Just my two pennies

Yes, better this way to play.

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**craig** · 03-30-2011, 07:36 AM

We play this game a lot less now.

The black cardboard box that the Behike box came in has all of the usual Habanos seals in all of the usual places. (The date code and factory code are on a sticker, but in their usual fonts, and the sticker is in the usual place.) The current guarantee seal has numerous anti-counterfitting measures which can be verified with a magnifying glass and a fluorescent light (if you don't have a UV light).

Yes, all of the above stuff is simple, but almost all fakes screw up one or more of the above. Those that don't are the good fakes (typically from Spain or the Canary Islands), but those now usually fail on the new seal code. The new seal code (usually 13 digits) can be verified on the Habanos.com website. When the code is entered on the website, the website displays the cigar and packaging info for the box.

Note that these checks don't even involve looking at cigars or opening the box, but start with these as anytime these fail or can't be verified ("I threw out the box") then, as always, caveat emptor.

**ggiese** · 03-30-2011, 08:40 AM

There is no way in heaven, hell or otherwise someone could give you a definitive answer as to the legitimacy of those cigars based upon that picture you've provided.

That being said - I suggest you be very skeptical they are legit. Craig gives some great first blush advice to detect about 90% of the current fakes. You should have a person with a wealth of knowledge on Cuban cigars eliminate about another 5% of the imposters. Regardless, you're still likely to be fooled by about 5%...

Good luck with your quest!

**ashauler** · 03-30-2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by craig

We play this game a lot less now.

The black cardboard box that the Behike box came in has all of the usual Habanos seals in all of the usual places. (The date code and factory code are on a sticker, but in their usual fonts, and the sticker is in the usual place.) The current guarantee seal has numerous anti-counterfitting measures which can be verified with a magnifying glass and a fluorescent light (if you don't have a UV light).

Yes, all of the above stuff is simple, but almost all fakes screw up one or more of the above. Those that don't are the good fakes (typically from Spain or the Canary Islands), but those now usually fail on the new seal code. The new seal code (usually 13 digits) can be verified on the Habanos.com website. When the code is entered on the website, the website displays the cigar and packaging info for the box.

Note that these checks don't even involve looking at cigars or opening the box, but start with these as anytime these fail or can't be verified ("I threw out the box") then, as always, caveat emptor.

Wait, are those in the photo yours Craig?

**craig** · 03-30-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by ashauler

Wait, are those in the photo yours Craig?

What? Huh? Sorry, I was distracted by the post-orgasmic glow of the least-endowed of the three.

Um, no, not my photo or my cigars. Sorry for the verb confusion. I was just going by what I have, and what I have seen elsewhere. Cohiba packaging sometimes uses different sticker placements and/or additional stickers and/or some on the box and some on the outer box, but the Behike packaging does not AFAIK, and places all stickers on the outside cardboard box in the usual places.

There are some differences in the other packaging inside of the Behike box, but my point, I guess, is to know these things before you buy a cigar with such a premium price, and have a good relationship with your vendor.

Just had a quick look at Craigslist (no relation

) and the presumed-fake Behike's are out there, with very nice-looking bands. No boxes yet, so these are probably all cigars brought back from tourists who went to Cuba.

My off-the-top-of-my-head-guess is that the same outfit that pushed out the PSD4 and (IIRC) EL fakes a couple years ago (and resulting in all kinds of sh*t in online forums) are pushing out Behike's now. A large dealer has posted elsewhere that he has been offered cases of Behike's. This is beyond the scope of most producers of fakes. I'd be very careful buying these things.