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**JarvisAmadio** · 05-31-2011, 02:18 AM

Hey, kitty, it's not my problem if you can't read my messages attentively..try to read my previous message again and I guess, no, I hope, you will notice that I said I haven't ever written any articles
I don't know how is my english when I communicate with you here, but I seem you've noticed that it is not perfect, haven't you?
I have the impression that you do not accept people of another nationality, these are the same ordinary people who are looking for a place in life and no matter in what city and what language is their native

PS people do not use for the articles their real names, in many cases they use pen names, so any name can be generated ...

**b.read** · 05-31-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

PS people do not use for the articles their real names, in many cases they use pen names, so any name can be generated ...

Pen names...kind of like on a forum? I mean...we're all using our real names here, right?

**JarvisAmadio** · 05-31-2011, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by b.read

Pen names...kind of like on a forum? I mean...we're all using our real names here, right?

you are right, like on a forum, too....but I meant that anyone could generate a similar name for that article, it does not mean that the article belongs to the person with the same name ... I'm already not talking about that in the world live more than one person with the same name

**puffstuff** · 05-31-2011, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

you are right, like on a forum, too....but I meant that anyone could generate a similar name for that article, it does not mean that the article belongs to the person with the same name ... I'm already not talking about that in the world live more than one person with the same name

Jarvis, it is not just your name in the article. The name, which your site was originally called JOYcigars.com, then I find an article with your name attached for JOYreplicas.com. O.K. the screen name maybe, but both being named JOY, looked a bit suspicious to me.

So now for the real story, Joyreplicas.com owner as well as the owner of AZcigs.com and 2000cigars.com and a host of others all hosted out of Bucharest Romania.
95.128.170.0/23 joycigars.com
95.128.170.27 joyreplicas.com
azcigs.com, joyspirits.com, 2000cigs.com, joycigs.com, 1001 cigarettes.com, etc., etc.

And CC 86, not Nigerians, Armenians.

Armen Hacaturian
35 Komitasi Ave
Yerevan, AR 0051
Armenia
armen_hac@gmail.com

Ban Aban
23 Volkov Str
Kiev, KY 01004
Ukraine

**puffstuff** · 05-31-2011, 01:39 PM

Jarvis, I understand it can be very difficult when The FDA shuts down a big revenue source for you (Cigarettes) but the Cigar business is a very different animal. You have started on the wrong foot. Two of the most important things in this business are Transparency and trustworthiness. I am very successful in the cigar business and I would be willing to help you, if you care to do this the right way.

Al

**Paddy** · 05-31-2011, 02:55 PM

And again your costs are too high. 1001 cigarettes you charge an average of $3.00 more per carton then my vendor and then add on $19.00 per carton for shipping. My vendor only charges me $4.00 per carton for International Air.

**ggiese** · 05-31-2011, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by puffstuff

Jarvis, I understand it can be very difficult when The FDA shuts down a big revenue source for you (Cigarettes) but the Cigar business is a very different animal. You have started on the wrong foot. Two of the most important things in this business are Transparency and trustworthiness. I am very successful in the cigar business and I would be willing to help you, if you care to do this the right way.

Al

Al - I would be awfully careful of your very generous offer to "do this the right way". Eastern European's and US credit cards don't usually mix too well...

**CoventryCat86** · 05-31-2011, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by puffstuff

And CC 86, not Nigerians, Armenians.

Well, I guess I've never been scammed by a genuine Armenian!

He sure does remind me of Barrister Whosemagoo who writes to me at least once a week with the opportunity of a lifetime.

Sometimes when I'm bored, I actually start an email exchange with these thieves and scammers and as I told Jervis, he sure reminds me of the Nigerian scammers because once you start engaging them in a conversation, their broken English all of a sudden becomes better than mine.

Nigerian, Armenian, tomato, tomatoe.....

**CoventryCat86** · 05-31-2011, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by puffstuff

Ban Aban
23 Volkov Str
Kiev, KY 01004
Ukraine

Ban Aban, kind of reminds me of our former member from Iowa named Amanda and after she said she hoped George got shot, she was banned and we changed her name to Abanda. "Ban Aban" must be her long, lost father.

**JarvisAmadio** · 06-02-2011, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by puffstuff

Jarvis, it is not just your name in the article. The name, which your site was originally called JOYcigars.com, then I find an article with your name attached for JOYreplicas.com. O.K. the screen name maybe, but both being named JOY, looked a bit suspicious to me.

So now for the real story, Joyreplicas.com owner as well as the owner of AZcigs.com and 2000cigars.com and a host of others all hosted out of Bucharest Romania.
95.128.170.0/23 joycigars.com
95.128.170.27 joyreplicas.com
azcigs.com, joyspirits.com, 2000cigs.com, joycigs.com, 1001 cigarettes.com, etc., etc.

And CC 86, not Nigerians, Armenians.

Armen Hacaturian
35 Komitasi Ave
Yerevan, AR 0051
Armenia
armen_hac[at]gmail[dot]com

Ban Aban
23 Volkov Str
Kiev, KY 01004
Ukraine

after you've placed this message I decided to check this data for 2000cigars
I found another info about contact name, except IP address:

Domain name: 2000cigars.com

Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (7a74e03668ba42dfb4bc1dbd5113e312.protect@whoisgua rd.com)
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732
Westchester, CA 90045
US

**drew_goring** · 06-02-2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

after you've placed this message I decided to check this data for 2000cigars
I found another info about contact name, except IP address:

Domain name: 2000cigars.com

Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (7a74e03668ba42dfb4bc1dbd5113e312.protect@whoisgua rd.com)
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732
Westchester, CA 90045
US

You realize that is just the address or WhoisGuard right? A company who's purpose is to make the website registration process nearly anonymous?

**Paddy** · 05-31-2011, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by b.read

Pen names...kind of like on a forum? I mean...we're all using our real names here, right?

I guess I'm the only ass that uses my real name.....

I'm going to change it from Paddy to Enrique.

**b.read** · 05-31-2011, 06:52 AM

There ya go...

**ashauler** · 05-31-2011, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

Hey, kitty, it's not my problem if you can't read my messages attentively..try to read my previous message again and I guess, no, I hope, you will notice that I said I haven't ever written any articles
I don't know how is my english when I communicate with you here, but I seem you've noticed that it is not perfect, haven't you?
I have the impression that you do not accept people of another nationality, these are the same ordinary people who are looking for a place in life and no matter in what city and what language is their native

PS people do not use for the articles their real names, in many cases they use pen names, so any name can be generated ...

Hey there pal, did you just insinuate that CC is some type of racist or sumptin'? Boy, are you off base on that one, and I think you owe him a public apology.

We do not tolerate racism or discrimination here, and I can assure you that, all dishonest, shady, crook-like assholes are treated equally, regardless of nationality!!

**CoventryCat86** · 05-31-2011, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

Hey, kitty, it's not my problem if you can't read my messages attentively..try to read my previous message again and I guess, no, I hope, you will notice that I said I haven't ever written any articles
I don't know how is my english when I communicate with you here, but I seem you've noticed that it is not perfect, haven't you?
I have the impression that you do not accept people of another nationality, these are the same ordinary people who are looking for a place in life and no matter in what city and what language is their native

PS people do not use for the articles their real names, in many cases they use pen names, so any name can be generated ...

The article has YOUR NAME on it! You are nothing but a LIAR. Are you still insisting that you did not publish this article?:

http://www.sooperarticles.com/shoppi...st-457616.html

C'mon liar, I want you to state with absolute certainty that you have no knowledge of this article, you never wrote/published it, I dare you.

Like I said earlier, your English is perfect in this article you wrote/published yet you continue to write poorly here.

And ashauler is correct, you owe me an apology for insinuating I'm some kind of racist. I never said anything of the sort. My only comment was your English is perfect in the fake watch article yet you speak and write so poorly here, it doesn't make any sense. I still think you're doing it on purpose.

**WIP** · 05-31-2011, 12:28 PM

I think the company he works for (an outsourcing company not a cigar company) wrote the article under his name. I doubt that is actually his name. It is probably just a profile he was assigned to. They assume the name Jarvis will be better received than Jabar.

I am just guessing though.

This has taken a turn for the worse. He was called out for being a salesman or "spammer" and he admitted that he is a salesman aka spammer. Why he continues to post is the new question. IMHO.

**JarvisAmadio** · 06-01-2011, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by WIP

Why he continues to post is the new question.

Indeed, if I were a scammer, what is the point for me to continue this conversation, I'd just scored to all your questions...
I'm not a salesman, I don't sale...my work is to present the product, make an advertisement...I'm not a Romanian and not even an Armenian, I'm not related with the rest of the listed sites...my goal is only to present online cigar store.... where and on whose name has been registered the site I'd never interested, I'm just doing my job...
CC, apologize for me is not a problem, I'm sorry, if you need it, but I didn't call you a racist, I said that you are not respectful with people whose native language is not English, in your understanding these people immediately become spammers and liars, it's sad...
I do not know how else honestly can I answer you, except to send you a copy of my passport, but it is a violation of personal rights, and if you do not believe me you may check the site for fraud, or you can just ban me, it will be much easier to do for you and without having solved a problem ...

**WIP** · 06-01-2011, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by JarvisAmadio

I'm not a salesman, I don't sale...my work is to present the product, make an advertisement..

You just said you weren't a salesman, then you described yourself as a salesman. Presenting the product and making an advertisement IS sales. Maybe you don't take money and give goods, but you are still selling.

Let me ask you this. Are you here for ANY other reason other than to advertise (sell) these cigars?

**JarvisAmadio** · 06-02-2011, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by WIP

You just said you weren't a salesman, then you described yourself as a salesman. Presenting the product and making an advertisement IS sales. Maybe you don't take money and give goods, but you are still selling.

Let me ask you this. Are you here for ANY other reason other than to advertise (sell) these cigars?

I would more called my job - Advertiser, because I really don't take money and don't give goods (in my opinion such people are not sellers, well, I could be wrong)....and, surely, I didn't register just to advertise, I would like to participate in other discussions too, but recently all my free time is running out to prove that I do not belong to spammers, whose goal is infinite spreading of links...