Where on the political spectrum do you lie? (Mods: Please don't move!)

[grand cru no 2]

"Birth rates are highest in parts of the country where abstinence is sold as the only real solution to pregnancy prevention, and where birth control is viewed as quasi-abortion."

Well, personally, I have never seen someone abstaining from sex get pregnate, but that's just me.

I mean you've laid out the ground work though, made very good points. It's obvious that abortion is the only solution. We can teach kids a great life lesson, "do whatever you want, there are no consequences!" You know, I think right now I'll go give my 12 year old sister a bag of contraseptives and tell her to go like a rabbit. After all, you can't control your urges, it's just a myth that you can control yourself. Besides, society is to blame.



-Mike

I am a very strong believer in ACCOUNTABILITY, but the plain and simple truth is there are lots of people in the world without it. While I am pro-life, I don't think abortion should be illegal. It seems to me that those with accountability and personal responsability will "do what's right" and choose not to abort but rather put the child up for adoption.

I'm not one for "letting people off the hook" but people do make mistakes and sometimes it is best if they can "fix" them. How they choose to do that is something that depends on their ethical stances. Our government should not intrude into extremely personal aspects of life.

I know that some of the other republicans on this site may go after me for this, but like Ken, I also can talk politics in a civil way, not to mention I'm not as touchy as some of the people around here.

[Iced T]

Quick abortion story. A while back I had a conversation with a very intelligent Republican. We were crewing the same boat in Mexico and when we inevitably found out that each other was a Republican, we had some good talks. Anyways, he had a big problem with abortion (being started with the actual program the Nazi's used, by Margaret Sanger [This is from Wikipedia - "Margaret's original intention in founding Planned Parenthood was to "limit" the population of African Americans in New York City".). Being an African-American, he didn't like a lot about how the "abortion system" is run. Well, by the end of the conversation we both were at an all-new realization. That conservatives generally would not choose to have an abortion, but liberals generally would. We both looked at each other and decided to be pro-abortion because if all the liberals get them, there'd be none left! Evolution baby!

[8-5-8]

We both looked at each other and decided to be pro-abortion because if all the liberals get them, there'd be none left! Evolution baby!

How delightfully third-reich-ish... and we wonder why republicans get such a bad rap...

[Amanda]

Iced T, perhaps the same could be said about NASCAR with conservatives. If these Republicans insist on driving around a racetrack at 200 miles per hour multiple times per week, their chances of winning elections will diminish with each passing election cycle.

[Iced T]

Iced T, perhaps the same could be said about NASCAR with conservatives. If these Republicans insist on driving around a racetrack at 200 miles per hour multiple times per week, their chances of winning elections will diminish with each passing election cycle.

YEEEEEEEHHHAAAAWWWWW!!

There's lots less people dying in NASCAR than abortions...

[Kenyth]

I am middle of the road with tendancies to the right. That's not to say I don't like to take a side. It's just to say that I don't agree with either side even close to %100 most of the time.

Because political parties need financial support, they must support certain issues all the way to get the support they need.

IMHO, the right wing, left to their own devices, would eventually completely screw the working class. Mind you this would take a long time, but it would happen. The right wing beleives that everyone should earn any benefit they have in life, no matter how difficult it is to gain at the time. They also tend to be unconcerned with environmental issues. They are generally pro-big business, anti-union, capatalists, and opportunistic. In proper measure, these are good traits for economic success.

IMHO, the left wing, left to their own devices, would eventually drive the government to socialism. We would lose many of the precious rights we take for granted. We would have government involved in all facets of our lives. We would be taxed mercilessly, and would find it much harder to become upper class or wealthy. Excessive social programs and environmental protection measures would bleed the economy like a huge parasite. The economy would likely stagnate as a result.



It would be nice if this was the cut and dry case and everyone fell well on either side of the line, but it's not that simple. Many Democrats, for instance, seem to have markedly right wing attitudes when it comes to certain economic decisions. Likely, because nearly all high level politicians are wealthy and have at least some level of self-interest. The only thing to do is research each politicians history and stance on your concerns to the best of your ability. Likely, switching between Democrats and Republicans being in power is the best way to stay in balance. Considering there are realistically only two candidates to choose from in higher level offices, you may often find yourself faced with choosing between Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Sad, but it's the way of things.

[reaganyouth84]

Quick abortion story. A while back I had a conversation with a very intelligent Republican. We were crewing the same boat in Mexico and when we inevitably found out that each other was a Republican, we had some good talks. Anyways, he had a big problem with abortion (being started with the actual program the Nazi's used, by Margaret Sanger [This is from Wikipedia - "Margaret's original intention in founding Planned Parenthood was to "limit" the population of African Americans in New York City".). Being an African-American, he didn't like a lot about how the "abortion system" is run. Well, by the end of the conversation we both were at an all-new realization. That conservatives generally would not choose to have an abortion, but liberals generally would. We both looked at each other and decided to be pro-abortion because if all the liberals get them, there'd be none left! Evolution baby!

I have had that same thought for a number of years. I think it's a great idea, hahaha. No wonder Democrats can't win elections, their own legislation kills their future generation of voters, ha! So with that in mind, if the liberals want abortion, then I say go knock yourself out!

Just had another thought, maybe abortion is partly to blame for the social security problem. Think about it, we are now at a point where there aren't enough people as there were previously (1970's and earlier) to support the retired workers. So maybe all these babies people have been aborting through the years would be old enough to be in the work place, paying social security. Maybe this has come back to bite us on the ass with the social security crisis. Just a thought.
-Mike

[Kenyth]

You can't keep inflating the population to keep up with expenses. You're just billing the problem forward. Eventually, growth has to stop or reverse itself, then you bear the full brunt of the problem!

[Amanda]

reaganyouth, you have just negated your entire argument about opposing abortion. After all your moral patronizing about protecting life, you now claim that "murder" is okay as long as its the children of liberals. Nothing the fringe right says surprises me anymore, but I would think you'd be bright enough not to be so transparently opportunistic about the abortion debate if you wanna keep rolling in the votes of people who are genuinely anti-abortion. You've made it abundantly clear that wiping your political opponents off the face of the Earth is of greater value to you than upholding any moral ideal of "protecting the unborn." My only question is how you expect anybody to take your position on abortion, or any other political issue for that matter, seriously after such bloodthirsty invective.

If liberals were to embrace your viewpoint, they would actually support war. After all, it's mostly conservatives enlisting for combat, so the more war, the more conservatives who will end up in bodybags, right? You'd never hear such an abomination out of the mouth of this liberal, or any other I've ever known, since I'm not that viciously, mindlessly, cartoonishly partisan. Given your take on the abortion issue pertaining to the children of your political opponents, it's clear that you can't say the same.

[Iced T]

Wow.

[cigarsarge]

reaganyouth, you have just negated your entire argument about opposing abortion. After all your moral patronizing about protecting life, you now claim that "murder" is okay as long as its the children of liberals. Nothing the fringe right says surprises me anymore, but I would think you'd be bright enough not to be so transparently opportunistic about the abortion debate if you wanna keep rolling in the votes of people who are genuinely anti-abortion. You've made it abundantly clear that wiping your political opponents off the face of the Earth is of greater value to you than upholding any moral ideal of "protecting the unborn." My only question is how you expect anybody to take your position on abortion, or any other political issue for that matter, seriously after such bloodthirsty invective.

If liberals were to embrace your viewpoint, they would actually support war. After all, it's mostly conservatives enlisting for combat, so the more war, the more conservatives who will end up in bodybags, right? You'd never hear such an abomination out of the mouth of this liberal, or any other I've ever known, since I'm not that viciously, mindlessly, cartoonishly partisan. Given your take on the abortion issue pertaining to the children of your political opponents, it's clear that you can't say the same.

What kinda of cigars have you been smoking Amanda?

[Amanda]

Sarge, unless someone has been tampering with them, I've been smoking the kind as everyone else....filled with tobacco.

[reaganyouth84]

reaganyouth, you have just negated your entire argument about opposing abortion. After all your moral patronizing about protecting life, you now claim that "murder" is okay as long as its the children of liberals. Nothing the fringe right says surprises me anymore, but I would think you'd be bright enough not to be so transparently opportunistic about the abortion debate if you wanna keep rolling in the votes of people who are genuinely anti-abortion. You've made it abundantly clear that wiping your political opponents off the face of the Earth is of greater value to you than upholding any moral ideal of "protecting the unborn." My only question is how you expect anybody to take your position on abortion, or any other political issue for that matter, seriously after such bloodthirsty invective.

If liberals were to embrace your viewpoint, they would actually support war. After all, it's mostly conservatives enlisting for combat, so the more war, the more conservatives who will end up in bodybags, right? You'd never hear such an abomination out of the mouth of this liberal, or any other I've ever known, since I'm not that viciously, mindlessly, cartoonishly partisan. Given your take on the abortion issue pertaining to the children of your political opponents, it's clear that you can't say the same.

First off, you obviously have no sense of humor. Secondly, the quote about never hearing a liberal wanting a conservative solider to die....you've obviously never been on a college campus in your life. The college I attend isn't that liberal, but I've heard some things come out of liberals' mouths regarding conservatives and soldiers that make me wonder if they are even human. Just wait till you are out in the real world.

I also really liked how you decided to debate my joke over how abortion and social security are related which was the point of the whole post anyways.
-Mike

[Amanda]

reaganyouth, ummmm, first of all, I am a college student so I'm on a college campus nine months a year. Not once have I heard a student wishing ill on American soldiers. Secondly, you've just established that you are also a college student meaning that neither one of us is in a position to cite life in "the real world."