A little contest

[victory01]

I'm going to guess runningdeer19us. I hope on here maybe three times a week and happened to catch a thread he made that turned to shit.
That was a while ago though.

[ashauler]

I'm going to guess runningdeer19us. I hope on here maybe three times a week and happened to catch a thread he made that turned to shit.
That was a while ago though.

Ding...Ding....Ding.....we have a winnah!! PM me your address, and I'll get the box of stuff on it's way after the holiday.

You can get with fishy for a list of benefits to the presidency you have now assumed!!

[Mizicke5273]

I have a hypothetical question....just wondering here. Now, say the person who wrote this PM, responds to this thread and guesses them selves.........do they win!??? Or if I "hypothetically" admit it was me and guess myself.....do I win? How about if I hop in my DeLorean, run it up to 88 MPH, arrive at the exact time the person was typing this PM up, and I physically push the submit button, does that mean I can guess myself and win? Or, what if I guess BigFoot?

[ashauler]

I have a hypothetical question....just wondering here. Now, say the person who wrote this PM, responds to this thread and guesses them selves.........do they win!??? Or if I "hypothetically" admit it was me and guess myself.....do I win? How about if I hop in my DeLorean, run it up to 88 MPH, arrive at the exact time the person was typing this PM up, and I physically push the submit button, does that mean I can guess myself and win? Or, what if I guess BigFoot?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't know.

The above answers would be self-evident, had you paid particular attention to the description(s) of the prize........

[ilikefishes]

Again, so much defensiveness. I don't know why you guys are so quick to say, "That's not how it is," when you could just go, "That's what we are and we like it that way." I have neither accused you of wrongdoing nor judged you for anything I have seen. But all this denial is sad. Embrace who you are, gentlemen, because everyone sees it, and have fun with it.

This is funny. Truth hurts every time.

[badwhale]

This is funny. Truth hurts every time.

Look! Kendall agrees with you! Somehow his endorsment didn't work out for garryy, though.

[TommyTree]

I don't know that I can add that much, ashauler. You ask for evidence of defensive behavior in your longest and most defensive post yet. If by "arrogance and condescension" you mean I never kissed the ring or the ass or whatever kinky shit you may want kissed, you're right, and I won't. My opinions so far have all been informed by experience and research, and I stand by them all, including my opinion that your behavior is defensive and sad. I defy you to go back and actually look at what's been said instead of jumping in on a discussion you clearly don't comprehend and make yourself look insecure and petty. While you say that I'm "transparent and weak," it's pretty clear that your words are coming from a place of insecurity. No need for such grand displays when you are right and confident and I am so weak.

[badwhale]

I don't know that I can add that much, ashauler. You ask for evidence of defensive behavior in your longest and most defensive post yet. If by "arrogance and condescension" you mean I never kissed the ring or the ass or whatever kinky shit you may want kissed, you're right, and I won't. My opinions so far have all been informed by experience and research, and I stand by them all, including my opinion that your behavior is defensive and sad. I defy you to go back and actually look at what's been said instead of jumping in on a discussion you clearly don't comprehend and make yourself look insecure and petty. While you say that I'm "transparent and weak," it's pretty clear that your words are coming from a place of insecurity. No need for such grand displays when you are right and confident and I am so weak.

You just don't get it.

[ashauler]

I don't know that I can add that much, ashauler. You ask for evidence of defensive behavior in your longest and most defensive post yet. If by "arrogance and condescension" you mean I never kissed the ring or the ass or whatever kinky shit you may want kissed, you're right, and I won't. My opinions so far have all been informed by experience and research, and I stand by them all, including my opinion that your behavior is defensive and sad. I defy you to go back and actually look at what's been said instead of jumping in on a discussion you clearly don't comprehend and make yourself look insecure and petty. While you say that I'm "transparent and weak," it's pretty clear that your words are coming from a place of insecurity. No need for such grand displays when you are right and confident and I am so weak.

Geesh, you don't do well with direct questions do you? Instead of, again, referring to my post as defensive, please, point out how you are classifying it as defensive. I classify it as a pointed statement, direct and to the point, accompanied by a couple of questions.

I already went back in this thread, and again, asked you a direct and pointed question. You, sadly, continue to disappoint and refuse to answer.

Unfortunately for you, my comprehension is more complete and much quicker than yours is proving to be.

[TommyTree]

Geesh, you don't do well with direct questions do you? Instead of, again, referring to my post as defensive, please, point out how you are classifying it as defensive. I classify it as a pointed statement, direct and to the point, accompanied by a couple of questions.

I already went back in this thread, and again, asked you a direct and pointed question. You, sadly, continue to disappoint and refuse to answer.

Unfortunately for you, my comprehension is more complete and much quicker than yours is proving to be.

Saying you're not defensive does not mean you aren't defensive. I point to your entire post, not just one part of it, because someone whose comprehension is complete and quick can determine truth from the whole, not by cherrypicking poorly worded phrases out of the middle of a train of thought. Unfortunately for you, I see through you, and still I pass no judgment, but you choose to feel attacked, and that reflects on your own state of mind. No, I don't do well with direct questions that are designed to trip up anyone who tries to answer them. That's why I ignore them. Even if I tried, you're attitude has and, experience would suggest, would continue to respond in the fashion of a guilty child crying, "But mom, I didn't do anything wrong!"

[Paddy]

This is funny. Truth hurts every time.

Eat my ass ,Shitbird

[ilikefishes]

You still have goats Paddy?

[ilikefishes]

Look! Kendall agrees with you! Somehow his endorsment didn't work out for garryy, though.

Will,
I was not endorsing anything. I just think it is funny.

[badwhale]

Will,
I was not endorsing anything. I just think it is funny.

Sure you were. You were endorsing the quote as "truth."

[ilikefishes]

Ah no. The post is truth and I said it was funny. That is an opinion.

[badwhale]

Ah no. The post is truth and I said it was funny. That is an opinion.

You are a festering troll. That is the truth.

[JiveTurkey]

Tommy, what you don't get is that every argument you think you win, you lose standing in this community that's been around a lot longer than you have. It's up to you to decide what you want to contribute here. If you really knew what this place was all about, you'd know how to respond. Clearly you don't, yet.

This board is different than any other that I've seen because it actually holds the person to a higher regard than the topic. Sure, we're here to talk about a common passion, but we're primarily here to hang out in this community of fellow cigar (and pipe) lovers.

You've been around too short of a time to truly get the above. I've been here for a year and half, and while I think I understand it on a conceptual level, I know I'm not close to fully realizing it in action. That said, it's a slow (because deliberate) process that takes more than a year and half, let alone three weeks.

So from someone that has stuck his own foot in his mouth here and got what I deserved (and recovered): Sit down, shut up, and stick around.

[TommyTree]

Jive Turkey, I appreciate your thoughts, but I respectfully disagree. If it takes a year and a half for people not to take your words out of context and then continue to argue with you about it even though they're wrong, then they aren't putting the person above the topic, they're elevating themselves. And, again, I never said there was anything wrong with that. Forgive me for seeing through the pretense, but it takes a year and a half to indoctrinate the new people, not to see what is actually going on here. I have no doubt that the members here care dearly about each other and have turned this into a brotherhood rather than a forum for those who have been here long enough to "get it." And that's fine. But there is clearly a fear of new people here that is driving this need to put them in their place. So was their someone who seemingly took over the forum with a dominating personality that makes you worried about it happening again? Just a guess, but this wouldn't be the first place I've seen that happen. And again, I don't put a negative connotation on any of this. I just believe in being honest about what's really going on. Because if the members here were really secure, they wouldn't need to get people to do things the "right way," because they would realize the forum is going to be what it's going to be. And maybe there would still be some hazing, which is what I suggested at the start, but it would be in good fun rather than out of the insecurity of the members. And you're going to try to say that I'm insecure and that I'm defensive and that I don't "get it," but we're grown men, and can't we be honest with each other? Even if the actions don't change — and I never said that I wanted to change anything — I think you would have a lot more fun if you went about this with honesty about your motives here.

[ashauler]

Jive Turkey, I appreciate your thoughts, but I respectfully disagree. If it takes a year and a half for people not to take your words out of context and then continue to argue with you about it even though they're wrong, then they aren't putting the person above the topic, they're elevating themselves. And, again, I never said there was anything wrong with that. Forgive me for seeing through the pretense, but it takes a year and a half to indoctrinate the new people, not to see what is actually going on here. I have no doubt that the members here care dearly about each other and have turned this into a brotherhood rather than a forum for those who have been here long enough to "get it." And that's fine. But there is clearly a fear of new people here that is driving this need to put them in their place. So was their someone who seemingly took over the forum with a dominating personality that makes you worried about it happening again? Just a guess, but this wouldn't be the first place I've seen that happen. And again, I don't put a negative connotation on any of this. I just believe in being honest about what's really going on. Because if the members here were really secure, they wouldn't need to get people to do things the "right way," because they would realize the forum is going to be what it's going to be. And maybe there would still be some hazing, which is what I suggested at the start, but it would be in good fun rather than out of the insecurity of the members. And you're going to try to say that I'm insecure and that I'm defensive and that I don't "get it," but we're grown men, and can't we be honest with each other? Even if the actions don't change — and I never said that I wanted to change anything — I think you would have a lot more fun if you went about this with honesty about your motives here.

And again, you choose to ignore questions put directly to you, and instead opt to promote your view of the nature of this forum. No one here has taken your words out of context.

What has happened here is very simple:
You were asked a direct, simple question.
You chose to answer it with a direct and personal attack.
Then you compounded your initial error by expanding your erroneous conclusions with this, expanding your attack to the general membership of the board:
"But maybe it's not that you didn't understand the thread. Maybe it's just my turn for the hazing that everyone seems to get. If that's the case, you'll find it hard to harass me. I roll with it pretty well. But please, keep trying."
Now you are continuing your attacks, concealed as righteous indignation, and touting yourself as the light-bearer for mistreated newblets.

The absurdity of your position is obvious to most, will soon dawn on others, but, sadly, I think it will be lost on you.

[ilikefishes]

You are a festering troll. That is the truth.

Fester is your uncle. I am just simply one who enjoys riling you guys up on occasion. If that makes me a troll on a board that is full of insecure and aggressive men, then so be it.

I think it is funny.