Cigar Aficionado

[TonyDogs]

I have been reading Cigar Aficionado for the last couple of months. I have notice something.
There are less and less cuban cigars in the top ratings. What does that mean?

Does it mean that the other cigars are better?

Or does it mean that the others have more money for advertising?

Cuban cigar companies are owned by the state of Cuba? Communists.

What is your take on it?

[Buhz]

I've noticed this too, last couple issues non cubans have been some of the higher rated smokes. Supposedly cA does all it's tasting blind, with a panel of judges and the results averaged. This should eliminate any bias the manufacturer could have on the judges. I've had some awesome non cuban smokes recently so I think the companies are coming into their own with the production reaching a mature stage.

Or the whole thing is rigged and cA is getting kick backs.

[mithril]

i think that its because the other companies are just getting better. they realize that they need better products to compete with cubans.

[55Kingpin]

Could quite possibly be the lower qc and overall quality of some the more recent cubans.....

Then again I sometimes find it hard to believe a magazine 100% of the time.

[Ghost Train]

A cigar is just like any other fine merchandise. The product can only be as good as its maker. The non-cuban companies must be putting more effort in producing a great cigar.

[cigar no baka]

I think as time goes on, the manufacturers outside Cuba are catching up. From what I have heard, after Castro took over, many of the manufacturers took over and left the country as their businesses were confiscated. Many of them relocated to Central America and started up companies of their own using Cuban seed they brought with them and their knowledge. So it's only a matter of time before the Cuban manufacturers lose ground to the others.

[MMAB]

I recall reading somewhere recently that the quality of SOME Cuban cigars has been in the decline lately. I can't remember where I read it though!

[F.T. Pulver]

I think as time goes on, the manufacturers outside Cuba are catching up. From what I have heard, after Castro took over, many of the manufacturers took over and left the country as their businesses were confiscated. Many of them relocated to Central America and started up companies of their own using Cuban seed they brought with them and their knowledge. So it's only a matter of time before the Cuban manufacturers lose ground to the others.

Tobacco fields outside Cuba, planted with Cuban seed have never even been close to Cuban grown criollo and corojo tobacco strains. All plants adapt to new environmental conditions, and are sensitive to all aspects of that environment, including soil composition, altitude, wind, water...everything, and tobacco is no exception. Example: Ever see a banana plantation in North Dakota?

I'm not sure how tobacco grown outside of Cuba could, "catch up".

Tell you what, go to a quality tobacconist anywhere in the world except here in the USA and ask for their finest cigar. The day they give you a Padron is the day you'll know they caught up.

Added with edit: There is not a single experienced cigar smoker I know who thinks ca ratings are worth crap. A complete rag.

[cigar no baka]

Tobacco fields outside Cuba, planted with Cuban seed have never even been close to Cuban grown criollo and corojo tobacco strains. All plants adapt to new environmental conditions, and are sensitive to all aspects of that environment, including soil composition, altitude, wind, water...everything, and tobacco is no exception. Example: Ever see a banana plantation in North Dakota?

I'm not sure how tobacco grown outside of Cuba could, "catch up".

Tell you what, go to a quality tobacconist anywhere in the world except here in the USA and ask for their finest cigar. The day they give you a Padron is the day you'll know they caught up.

Added with edit: There is not a single experienced cigar smoker I know who thinks ca ratings are worth crap. A complete rag.

Well there seems to be a lot of disagreement over this issue. I'm no expert, I've had a few Cubans I got from a friend who got them from an trusted source in Great Britain, and I didn't think they were much greater than the best smokes I have had from other manufacturers.

[CoventryCat86]

Excellent post F.T. Pulver

There is NOTHING in the world like the taste of Cuban tobacco therefore it is impossible to "catch up" It is impossible to use "Cuban" seeds and try and grow it in another country. The soil is different and the taste cannot be replicated. Many have tried, they all have failed.

"Quality problems"? That's a funny one!!! I pull more stems out of non cuban cigars and have far more plugged or too loosely rolled NON Cuban cigars than Cuban cigars.

In my experience (unlike Scotty who just repeats things but lets you believe he has first hand knowledge), on average, Cuban cigars with box codes from the '99, '00, '01 time frame had a slightly higher chance of exhibiting "quality problems" with respect to being plugged. Since then, the cigars are fine. I have yet to smoke a Cuban cigar with an '03 or '04 box code that was plugged and you're going to have to take my word for it that I've smoked "a few"

If you guys want to keep listening to the urban legends and the non Cuban manufacturer's propaganda, go right ahead but you'd be doing yourself a HUGE favor if you let YOURSELF decide, not the jerkoffs at CAO or the dope at your local cigar shop who obviously will fill your head full of bullshit because he CAN'T legally sell you Cuban cigars.

[cigar no baka]

Well I'm not relying on the opinions or statements of others, I'm judging from my own experiences. My friend gave me a dozen Cubans, and as far as I am concerned they were no better than some of the non ISOM's for my tastes.

[55Kingpin]

I guess I should clarify my post.

In no way did I mean that all Cubans are bad. The best cigars I have ever smoked have been from ISOM. I do stipulate that NO company/product is free from quality control problems.

Like I said earlier, if someone can't tell the difference between a Cuban and a non-Cuban then it's probably not worth it for them to pony up the cash for a Cuban......comprende.

[CoventryCat86]

Well I'm not relying on the opinions or statements of others, I'm judging from my own experiences. My friend gave me a dozen Cubans, and as far as I am concerned they were no better than some of the non ISOM's for my tastes.

I'm not trying to start trouble here or talk down to you but if you've only smoked a couple of dozen from what is not a reliable source, I would suggest smoking quite a few more before you draw any conclusions.

Heck, I've been smoking Cuban cigars for 13 years and yes, the first few, hell even the first few boxes, I said "WTF?, What's the BIG DEAL here?" but as time has gone on, I've grown to appreciate them for what they are. I also said the same thing about the first ten or twenty Opus X I smoked, "AH, these things are overrated and aren't worth it. " THEN I started waiting for them to dry out BEFORE I smoked them (since the friggin cigar shops keep them too wet) and now I love them.

I concur with F.T. Pulver on the humidity level. I keep mine closer to 60% for the exact reasons he mentioned.

Regarding price, MANY great Cuban cigars can be found for less than $10.00/stick and can be found easier than a Padron 1926 or an Opus X.

[F.T. Pulver]

Excellent post F.T. Pulver

There is NOTHING in the world like the taste of Cuban tobacco therefore it is impossible to "catch up" It is impossible to use "Cuban" seeds and try and grow it in another country. The soil is different and the taste cannot be replicated. Many have tried, they all have failed.

"Quality problems"? That's a funny one!!! I pull more stems out of non cuban cigars and have far more plugged or too loosely rolled NON Cuban cigars than Cuban cigars.

In my experience (unlike Scotty who just repeats things but lets you believe he has first hand knowledge), on average, Cuban cigars with box codes from the '99, '00, '01 time frame had a slightly higher chance of exhibiting "quality problems" with respect to being plugged. Since then, the cigars are fine. I have yet to smoke a Cuban cigar with an '03 or '04 box code that was plugged and you're going to have to take my word for it that I've smoked "a few"

If you guys want to keep listening to the urban legends and the non Cuban manufacturer's propaganda, go right ahead but you'd be doing yourself a HUGE favor if you let YOURSELF decide, not the jerkoffs at CAO or the dope at your local cigar shop who obviously will fill your head full of bullshit because he CAN'T legally sell you Cuban cigars.

There are two factors here that people are talking about as one. The quality of the TOBACCO suffered during the time cat outlines, although I would give it a smaller window of late 99 into early 2000 and most of this was due to Habanos trying to meet the demand of the boom, it mainly affected wrappers and was mainly on larger ring cigars. I believe, although someone may correct me, it was at this time the Cubans also switched wrapper tobacco strains. When I hear guys griping about cigars from this time frame, they are more often than not referring to the issues with the tobacco.

The second issue, which is completely separate is the quality of the CONSTRUCTION. As is always true with any hand made product, there will variations from the mean that will result an poorly constructed cigar. Although, due again to high production demands, there were inexperienced rollers on the line, so there were construction problems during that time too. As for plugs, they exist. In fact, some guys won’t even order Lonsdale vitolas due to their notorious reputation. Now the problem seems to be that some smokers feel the draws are too loose, which is most likely a result of the installation of draw machines in the factories in the last couple of years.


When most people tell me that they’ve had a plugged or otherwise poor cigar from Cuba, it’s usually one or more of the following reasons. 1. It’s a fake, plain and simple most Americans haven’t had enough experience with Cuban cigars to know the difference between a fake and a real one. I can’t tell you how many guys I’ve seen get a dose of the real deal and wonder what the hell they had been buying. They, to a man, claim to have trusted their sources/friends. 2. Humidity too high. Cuban cigars should be kept, IMO, at around 63% RH. 70 is way too high, and will result in a hotter burn and taste and tighter draw. Most guys who complain about plugged cigars don’t really have a plugged cigar, they have one that’s too tight from being over humidified. If you have some Cuban cigars in your humidor and its higher than 65, drop it down to that for a couple of months, then try it again. You won’t be disappointed. Domestic cigars will do fine in 65 too. 3. Lastly, they are smoking them before their time. Although there’s lots of controversy about this, Cuban cigars go through a period where they aren’t as good. Some refer to is as the “sick” period. I have plenty of cigars that were great when I got them, then they went flat, or bitter, or the taste was just off. Wait a few months, maybe a year and they come back even better than they had started.

Despite all this I would take a Cuban cigar over a domestic every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If you'd ever spent an hour with a Mag46 or PSD4 that was "on", you'd know exaclty what I mean.