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    Quote Originally Posted by tc3driver View Post
    I have to be honest.

    Aside from the fact that I despise Microsoft with every fiber of my being.

    I truly hate the Microsoft XBOX line of products. Mainly because they like to charge you for products and services you already pay for. Such as Netflix, You pay 10, 20, 30, 50 a month for Netflix. Then you pay between 50-125 a month for internet access, M$ wants another 5 dollars a month for you to be able to watch Netflix on the XBOX. This goes for all of the services you pay for that are accessible via XBOX.

    I almost hate sony as much as I do M$ (in some cases more). At least they don't charge me for services that I already pay for. That is why there will be a PS4 in my house (probably when GT7, or GTA6 comes out), when the games are there to support it.
    Take this from one who was a staunch as you are - I despised Apple "with every fiber of my being". For YEARS I hated that "toy" computer crap called Macintosh. There was no way in the world I would even poke at the keyboard for fear of cooties...

    And then it happened... I won a 32GB iPad 2... What a damned dilemma. I couldn't let that thing go to waste. It was, after all, free. ...aand I figured if I did not like it I could toss it into the garbage guilt free! Except something very strange happened - I actually liked using it. I even preferred using it over the Android tablet I already had. And the more I used it, the more I liked it. To the point that I just bought two iPhones 5's (for momma and I) and gave my iPad 2 to the spousal unit and replaced it with an Air. So much for hating Apple - I've been hoodwinked...

    So - moral of that story - don't ever say never.

    And M$ does piss me off - but I could not function without their products... Sucks to be so hooked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreekTitan View Post
    So, you agree that your previous comments were in fact bullshit. Good, case closed.
    No I don't agree with you, I think paying for a service that should be free is foolish... but continue in your rose hazed world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese View Post
    Take this from one who was a staunch as you are - I despised Apple "with every fiber of my being". For YEARS I hated that "toy" computer crap called Macintosh. There was no way in the world I would even poke at the keyboard for fear of cooties...

    And then it happened... I won a 32GB iPad 2... What a damned dilemma. I couldn't let that thing go to waste. It was, after all, free. ...aand I figured if I did not like it I could toss it into the garbage guilt free! Except something very strange happened - I actually liked using it. I even preferred using it over the Android tablet I already had. And the more I used it, the more I liked it. To the point that I just bought two iPhones 5's (for momma and I) and gave my iPad 2 to the spousal unit and replaced it with an Air. So much for hating Apple - I've been hoodwinked...

    So - moral of that story - don't ever say never.

    And M$ does piss me off - but I could not function without their products... Sucks to be so hooked...
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    I am anti apple too, unfortunately I am forced to work with and on them :(

    Never liked the thought of purchasing hardware, then being told how, when, where, and why to use it (trust me, it is worse with Xserve...)

    most of the jobs I have had in the past, I have been able to live without M$, even my current job there is no M$ in the building so that is a positive :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreekTitan View Post
    Seeing as how we're being honest: Your reasoning sucks.

    You're free to dislike and not purchase services from whomever you wish. That is what a capitalist society is all about. See reference from Wiki

    "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy." (snip)

    Secondly, let's look at your figures.

    -Netflix "10, 20, 30, 50 a month" - Hmmm. I only pay $7.99 for all the digital streaming I want. If I wanted DVD's, I would pay an additional $7.99. But I choose not to. Not because I hate Netflix, but because I personally would not benefit from the additional service.

    -Internet Access: "50 - 125 a month" - My internet service is a set price. If yours fluctuates that much, you should look for another provider. Oh, and I pay a fair amount for my service. Not because I love the company, but it is a service I see value in.

    -Microsoft wants $5 a month to watch Netflix - C'mon now, this is not true. First off, an XBox Live Gold membership is $4.16 per month. And, you get a whole lot more than just Netflix. Much more, and much better than Playstation Network. Here's a link to some of the benefits.

    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live?xr=shellnav

    Like I said in the beginning, you have the right to choose. That's what makes this country what it is, and I hope to God it stays that way. So, keep playing the Playstation (which I have no problem with, and will probably get one of them too). But let's try to keep a conversation based on facts, not some seemingly socialist bullshit.

    There are SO many things I love about being in a Capitalist state - not the least of which is all the cool toys we have! But - gotta be honest too - I'm not thrilled with the way M$ and Sony suck money out of their products. It's definitely Capitalist, all right, but I guess I'm struggling understanding why I should have to pay for anything that used to be free - even if it's just paying a "small" charge to play a stupid video game online. The concept just creeps me out...

    And I am incredibly P.O.'d that what used to cost me $25/month (POTS phone service) now costs me north of $200 for the "bundle" so that I can keep up with the world...

    But I do also get it (as much as I hate it) - cool toy development does have a cost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tc3driver View Post
    No I don't agree with you, I think paying for a service that should be free is foolish... but continue in your rose hazed world.
    I didn't say you agreed with me, just that your statements were bullshit. See my proofs in my previous post.

    And, you don't know me near well enough to understand my take on the what's going on in this world.

    BTW You act as if this is the first time you've had a real discussion with opposing views. Be factual, don't exaggerate, and relax. Nobody's eating your lunch, just calling it like I see it.


    Quote Originally Posted by ggiese View Post
    There are SO many things I love about being in a Capitalist state - not the least of which is all the cool toys we have! But - gotta be honest too - I'm not thrilled with the way M$ and Sony suck money out of their products. It's definitely Capitalist, all right, but I guess I'm struggling understanding why I should have to pay for anything that used to be free - even if it's just paying a "small" charge to play a stupid video game online. The concept just creeps me out...

    And I am incredibly P.O.'d that what used to cost me $25/month (POTS phone service) now costs me north of $200 for the "bundle" so that I can keep up with the world...

    But I do also get it (as much as I hate it) - cool toy development does have a cost...
    I understand, and agree. Unfortunately, it's something we'll never get away from at this point.

    My biggest problem was the "They want to charge me $5 a month for something I'm already paying for". You're not paying for Netflix (although that is part of it). You're paying for a whole slew of things. One example is getting two free games every month if you decide to download them. Does that mean the games cost $2.05 each? If so, I guess Netflix is free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tc3driver View Post
    Good... wag the finger where it should be wagged
    Damn, I don't think I've ever been complimented on my finger wagging. You must have missed which finger I was using.

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    I love fanatics......they're so....fanatical.

    While I'm not a huge fan of MS and Bill Gates, having worked in the IT industry for close to 20 years, I've had to learn their stuff if I wanted to stay employed. When I first started in computers I was introduced to the Novell networking software which was at the time, far superior to Windows NT 3.1 But I took a look at the market place and saw that MS had the vast majority of it so I pursued cert's in MS's stuff so I could ensure I got a job. I've still never worked anywhere that had any Novell so it's a good thing I didn't pursue Novell cert's or I'd have had a real tough time finding work.

    I've noticed a lot of Linux users are very aggressively anti-MS and I've often wondered why. You all behave as if Bill and company bankrupted you, put you in the poor house, drove over your dog and raped your sister. What's up with that? Seriously tc3driver what did MS do to you personally to make you "despise MS with every fiber of your being"?

    I'm not a big fan of Macintosh/Apple either, but when I have to work with it, I work with it. It's worth noting that's become a lot easier for me since the newer OS is UNIX based and I know my way around UNIX.


    As to the rest of the discussion about Netflix and internet access.....

    I pay $8 month for Netflix. I don't know why anybody is paying more since that's what they advertise their service for. I used to watch it on my Wii but about a year ago we bought a new TV and home theater system and the theater system remote has a Netflix button on it so the poor Wii has sat pretty much ignored for a long time now.

    I pay about $30/month for my highspeed internet and that gives me 5 Mbps/250 GB's of bandwidth which we don't ever come close to using. Cost for highspeed varies from place to place and depends also on which package you want. You're going to pay a lot more for 100 Mbps than you would for 5 Mbps.
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    MS makes my job easier and finds me porn and cigars ,Apple makes a nice music player. I purchase things I am willing to pay for and pass on what I don't see the value in. Ya gotta admit windows ME blew whale cock
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    Raced a few races on Forza the last couple of days, and it's been great. As expected the asshats are already much less prevalent. I think it's a combination of boredom on their part, as well as the promised online matching system to pair like players, both on skill and tendency.

    Way to go Microsoft!

    Just kidding, it's Turn10 that is supposedly working on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    MS makes my job easier and finds me porn and cigars ,Apple makes a nice music player. I purchase things I am willing to pay for and pass on what I don't see the value in. Ya gotta admit windows ME blew whale cock
    Finally! Something we can ALL agree on! Windows and kevin7 blow whale cock!!! Oh, you meant the ME operating system...my bad...

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    I have never understood the generic hatred for certain tech companies. As George mentioned he disliked Apple for years, won an iPad and realized Apple wasn't all that bad.

    I'm not speaking for George here, I don't know what his reasoning was, but I have a friend that hates Apple juat to be contrary. The truth is Apple isn't as popular as it is just because a bunch of black rimmed, no lense glasses wearing hipsters decided they were going to jump on that bandwagon and make it popular. It's also not just because it was marketed so well or that Steve Jobs was an evil genius that has convinced the world to eat from this new forbidden fruit. It's mostly because it's as user friendly as anything else on the market, and it just works, very well. Also, the fact that so much of their software is so controlled seems to be a major reason why it does work so very well.

    Bottom line is we still operate in a free market. In most places you can still get just phone service alone relatively cheap. If you want greater access to the greater world via the internet you will need to pay the additional $ for the additional services, but you don't have to. If you want the additional entertainment value offered by XBOX you will need to pay the additional $ for it, but you don't have to. You could buy that TurboGraphix 16 from Mangy and just and be done with all the "expensive, money grabbing" additional services the new consoles offer. But I bet you'll still pay a lot more for a new console and then you will then pay more $ for any additional services you WANT.

    If they are charging for it and people in a free market are paying for it then there absolutely has to be some value there. It's as simple as that regardless of which tech team you have decided you love or which one you have decided you hate.

    If you don't like it don't choose to participate. It's still your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingbeefy View Post
    I have never understood the generic hatred for certain tech companies. As George mentioned he disliked Apple for years, won an iPad and realized Apple wasn't all that bad.

    I'm not speaking for George here, I don't know what his reasoning was, but I have a friend that hates Apple juat to be contrary. The truth is Apple isn't as popular as it is just because a bunch of black rimmed, no lense glasses wearing hipsters decided they were going to jump on that bandwagon and make it popular. It's also not just because it was marketed so well or that Steve Jobs was an evil genius that has convinced the world to eat from this new forbidden fruit. It's mostly because it's as user friendly as anything else on the market, and it just works, very well. Also, the fact that so much of their software is so controlled seems to be a major reason why it does work so very well.

    Bottom line is we still operate in a free market. In most places you can still get just phone service alone relatively cheap. If you want greater access to the greater world via the internet you will need to pay the additional $ for the additional services, but you don't have to. If you want the additional entertainment value offered by XBOX you will need to pay the additional $ for it, but you don't have to. You could buy that TurboGraphix 16 from Mangy and just and be done with all the "expensive, money grabbing" additional services the new consoles offer. But I bet you'll still pay a lot more for a new console and then you will then pay more $ for any additional services you WANT.

    If they are charging for it and people in a free market are paying for it then there absolutely has to be some value there. It's as simple as that regardless of which tech team you have decided you love or which one you have decided you hate.

    If you don't like it don't choose to participate. It's still your choice.
    I started to write this long dissertation about why I disliked Apple so much. Suffice it to say - my aversion to Apple is rooted in what would be considered ancient history... I don't want to admit I'm an old fart, but let's just say I have damned good reasons that would not be understood unless you were back riding dinosaurs with me.

    But (as I type this on my iPad Air) some things do change...

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    Most don't like change. I refuse to buy an android phone or tablet but that's because I'm accustomed to Apple. I feel lost using something else so I automatically dislike it even if it's a great product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    MS makes my job easier and finds me porn and cigars ,Apple makes a nice music player. I purchase things I am willing to pay for and pass on what I don't see the value in. Ya gotta admit windows ME blew whale cock
    ROFLMAO

    Amen that. I never used it to be completely honest. I have an unopened copy in my desk with the shrink wrap still on it. I knew it was an "Edsel" before the copy was gifted to me so I never touched it. Vista was just another ME and therefore a POS so I never touched it either.

    I have copies of most every MS operating system since (and including) DOS. I have about 10 different flavors of Linux and both Open/FreeBSD on CD/DVD in a desk drawer and have Windows XP/7, Redhat Linux, CentOS Linux and OpenBSD running on computers in my home office.

    I would have liked to only have to learn one OS (operating system) but that would have limited my employability too much.


    Quote Originally Posted by kingbeefy View Post
    I have never understood the generic hatred for certain tech companies.
    Me either. I hate them all equally..........

    I've worked with all different platforms and each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Personally, I think anybody unwilling to learn new OS's is limiting themselves more than I'm willing to. While I'm no aficionado of Linux/UNIX (I suck at programming/scripting), I know my way around them good enough to work with them. The first computer I ever put my hands on was a Mac and within two weeks I was so far ahead of the class it wasn't funny because it made sense to me and I was able to learn more on my own than I could with the instructor's help. But then I've always been a quick study on most things and have always been willing to learn.



    Quote Originally Posted by FordRaptorFiend View Post
    Most don't like change. I refuse to buy an android phone or tablet but that's because I'm accustomed to Apple. I feel lost using something else so I automatically dislike it even if it's a great product.
    And therein lies the crux of the situation.

    In my experience, it happens like this....

    You (a generalization to make my point) started with whichever OS and hung out with other people who used the same OS. They all "hated" the other guys so you decided to "hate" all the rest too. Mostly because you didn't know the other OS's and learning them would take time that you didn't want to spend. It's not that you couldn't, it's that you didn't want to because each has it's own learning curve and some curves are much longer than others. Linux/UNIX used to be prime examples of a longer learning curve. But now with Linux versions like Ubuntu they've become very user friendly and therefore very much like MS and the learning curve has dropped somewhat from what it used to be. I've always been tickled by the fact that the fanatic Linux/UNIX crowd that hate MS have spent so much time and effort making their favorite OS more MS-like. It's a humorous irony that always makes me smile.

    I've been unhappy with MS many times.....hell, I've been working with them for most of 20 years so that's unavoidable.....but hate them? Hate Linux/UNIX? Hate Mac/Apple? Hell no, life's to short and that would be a grand waste of time. Besides, I enjoy change and new challenges and pity anybody who doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badwhale View Post
    Xbone sounds like a pron site.
    OMG! What I can not believe is the whale left himself wide opened ..wait let me rephrase that I do not want him to think of porn. He left himself vulnerable..dam ok well he left himself hanging out there....crap just forget it.






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    Quote Originally Posted by CptnBlues63 View Post
    ROFLMAO

    Me either. I hate them all equally..........

    I've worked with all different platforms and each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Personally, I think anybody unwilling to learn new OS's is limiting themselves more than I'm willing to. While I'm no aficionado of Linux/UNIX (I suck at programming/scripting), I know my way around them good enough to work with them. The first computer I ever put my hands on was a Mac and within two weeks I was so far ahead of the class it wasn't funny because it made sense to me and I was able to learn more on my own than I could with the instructor's help. But then I've always been a quick study on most things and have always been willing to learn.

    You (a generalization to make my point) started with whichever OS and hung out with other people who used the same OS. They all "hated" the other guys so you decided to "hate" all the rest too. Mostly because you didn't know the other OS's and learning them would take time that you didn't want to spend. It's not that you couldn't, it's that you didn't want to because each has it's own learning curve and some curves are much longer than others. Linux/UNIX used to be prime examples of a longer learning curve. But now with Linux versions like Ubuntu they've become very user friendly and therefore very much like MS and the learning curve has dropped somewhat from what it used to be. I've always been tickled by the fact that the fanatic Linux/UNIX crowd that hate MS have spent so much time and effort making their favorite OS more MS-like. It's a humorous irony that always makes me smile.

    I've been unhappy with MS many times.....hell, I've been working with them for most of 20 years so that's unavoidable.....but hate them? Hate Linux/UNIX? Hate Mac/Apple? Hell no, life's to short and that would be a grand waste of time. Besides, I enjoy change and new challenges and pity anybody who doesn't.
    So - I do basically agree with all you're saying and have worked with all of the platforms you mention (including Apple, back in the day). My experiences predate CPM, but I did eventually work through CPM and graduated to DOS. I do believe there is some validity to being part of a "crowd" that likes a certain operating system (I was in various computer user groups many moons ago - and heard/saw the debates). I have noticed in recent times it carries on - you're either "Android" or you're "iOS", but not both... I even see folks evangelizing, trying to convince folks one is better than the other (It's rather comical, actually). But - personally - plain and simple - I dislike certain operating systems (choose one over another) because I don't like the way they do what they do - good, bad or otherwise.

    I still primarily use MS (work) - spend a fair amount of time in iOS (play) - AND - use Linux/UNIX when it serves my purpose (mostly work - I've kinda moved away from my "hobby" use)...
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    I dislike certain operating systems (choose one over another) because I don't like the way they do what they do - good, bad or otherwise.
    I agree. For work, we have PC's and Surface tablets. Perfect for our needs, everything works together seamlessly in the office and while in the field or truck.

    For play, the wife and I have iPads for in the kitchen and on the couch or deck.

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    I'm still running Windows XP. My laptop stopped working years ago, it's running XP too and I swear there is some Microsoft conspiracy out there to fock with anyone like me who's still running XP because it used to work great when it was new and now, it's terrible even after having my hard drive wiped every six months. I have no idea what "Windows ME" is. Is that Windows 8 or something?

    I tried using the Mac or Apple or whatever it is down at Town Hall and all it did was piss me off. I'm not a graphic designer so I pretty much have no use for Apple/Mac stuff.

    I don't have a "tablet" or one of those damn smartassphones with a touch screen because with my cold, calloused fingers, I can't get any damn touch screen to work properly (especially any ATM) and I'm not wasting money on a "tablet" that I will wind up smashing a half an hour after I buy it.

    I refuse to play games on computers, I waste enough time on cigar sites and don't have enough time in life to do the things that take priority over playing games on computers (which I think is just about everything).

    I thought XBone was X Bone so like badwhale said, I thought it was a porn site.

    Sorry, I guess I just don't have much to add to this discussion.
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