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[tc3driver]

I have to be honest.

Aside from the fact that I despise Microsoft with every fiber of my being.

I truly hate the Microsoft XBOX line of products. Mainly because they like to charge you for products and services you already pay for. Such as Netflix, You pay 10, 20, 30, 50 a month for Netflix. Then you pay between 50-125 a month for internet access, M$ wants another 5 dollars a month for you to be able to watch Netflix on the XBOX. This goes for all of the services you pay for that are accessible via XBOX.

I almost hate sony as much as I do M$ (in some cases more). At least they don't charge me for services that I already pay for. That is why there will be a PS4 in my house (probably when GT7, or GTA6 comes out), when the games are there to support it.

[TheGreekTitan]

I have to be honest.

Aside from the fact that I despise Microsoft with every fiber of my being.

I truly hate the Microsoft XBOX line of products. Mainly because they like to charge you for products and services you already pay for. Such as Netflix, You pay 10, 20, 30, 50 a month for Netflix. Then you pay between 50-125 a month for internet access, M$ wants another 5 dollars a month for you to be able to watch Netflix on the XBOX. This goes for all of the services you pay for that are accessible via XBOX.

I almost hate sony as much as I do M$ (in some cases more). At least they don't charge me for services that I already pay for. That is why there will be a PS4 in my house (probably when GT7, or GTA6 comes out), when the games are there to support it.

Seeing as how we're being honest: Your reasoning sucks.

You're free to dislike and not purchase services from whomever you wish. That is what a capitalist society is all about. See reference from Wiki

"Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy." (snip)

Secondly, let's look at your figures.

-Netflix "10, 20, 30, 50 a month" - Hmmm. I only pay $7.99 for all the digital streaming I want. If I wanted DVD's, I would pay an additional $7.99. But I choose not to. Not because I hate Netflix, but because I personally would not benefit from the additional service.

-Internet Access: "50 - 125 a month" - My internet service is a set price. If yours fluctuates that much, you should look for another provider. Oh, and I pay a fair amount for my service. Not because I love the company, but it is a service I see value in.

-Microsoft wants $5 a month to watch Netflix - C'mon now, this is not true. First off, an XBox Live Gold membership is $4.16 per month. And, you get a whole lot more than just Netflix. Much more, and much better than Playstation Network. Here's a link to some of the benefits.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live?xr=shellnav

Like I said in the beginning, you have the right to choose. That's what makes this country what it is, and I hope to God it stays that way. So, keep playing the Playstation (which I have no problem with, and will probably get one of them too). But let's try to keep a conversation based on facts, not some seemingly socialist bullshit.

[tc3driver]

Seeing as how we're being honest: Your reasoning sucks.

You're free to dislike and not purchase services from whomever you wish. That is what a capitalist society is all about. See reference from Wiki

"Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy." (snip)

Secondly, let's look at your figures.

-Netflix "10, 20, 30, 50 a month" - Hmmm. I only pay $7.99 for all the digital streaming I want. If I wanted DVD's, I would pay an additional $7.99. But I choose not to. Not because I hate Netflix, but because I personally would not benefit from the additional service.

-Internet Access: "50 - 125 a month" - My internet service is a set price. If yours fluctuates that much, you should look for another provider. Oh, and I pay a fair amount for my service. Not because I love the company, but it is a service I see value in.

-Microsoft wants $5 a month to watch Netflix - C'mon now, this is not true. First off, an XBox Live Gold membership is $4.16 per month. And, you get a whole lot more than just Netflix. Much more, and much better than Playstation Network. Here's a link to some of the benefits.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live?xr=shellnav

Like I said in the beginning, you have the right to choose. That's what makes this country what it is, and I hope to God it stays that way. So, keep playing the Playstation (which I have no problem with, and will probably get one of them too). But let's try to keep a conversation based on facts, not some seemingly socialist bullshit.

Way to go Captain literal!

This is nothing to do with "socialist bullshit" sir, I am executing my right to not pay a third party for Netflix. The prices are generalizations. I pay about 30 a month for Netflix, there are larger amounts that can be paid, and lessor amounts. The internet access is to cover the gambit as in I know people who pay ~ 50 a month, and I know people who pay 125 or more a month, they are called generalizations.

I don't disagree that you get "more" for the silly xbox membership, however, I don't use it. So from my vantage point, since I don't play online games, Xbox is trying to charge me for services that I already pay for. Believe you me, there are very few who believe as I do in terms of politics. I am one of the very few who stand for personal responsibility. Don't go thinking that just because I am from CA I am a democrat (look where I live, one of the final bastions of republicans in the whole of California), I don't claim republican either. To my eyes, they are two sides of the same coin, and serve only to divide and distract the nation from what is really important.

[TheGreekTitan]

Way to go Captain literal!

This is nothing to do with "socialist bullshit" sir, I am executing my right to not pay a third party for Netflix. The prices are generalizations. I pay about 30 a month for Netflix, there are larger amounts that can be paid, and lessor amounts. The internet access is to cover the gambit as in I know people who pay ~ 50 a month, and I know people who pay 125 or more a month, they are called generalizations.

I don't disagree that you get "more" for the silly xbox membership, however, I don't use it. So from my vantage point, since I don't play online games, Xbox is trying to charge me for services that I already pay for. Believe you me, there are very few who believe as I do in terms of politics. I am one of the very few who stand for personal responsibility. Don't go thinking that just because I am from CA I am a democrat (look where I live, one of the final bastions of republicans in the whole of California), I don't claim republican either. To my eyes, they are two sides of the same coin, and serve only to divide and distract the nation from what is really important.

So, you agree that your previous comments were in fact bullshit. Good, case closed.

[ashauler]

snip...... So from my vantage point, since I don't play online games, Xbox is trying to charge me for services that I already pay for. Believe you me, there are very few who believe as I do in terms of politics. I am one of the very few who stand for personal responsibility. Don't go thinking that just because I am from CA I am a democrat (look where I live, one of the final bastions of republicans in the whole of California), I don't claim republican either. To my eyes, they are two sides of the same coin, and serve only to divide and distract the nation from what is really important.

We don't discuss politics here. We have few rules here, but we do appreciate the observance of them.

[tc3driver]

So, you agree that your previous comments were in fact bullshit. Good, case closed.

No I don't agree with you, I think paying for a service that should be free is foolish... but continue in your rose hazed world.

We don't discuss politics here. We have few rules here, but we do appreciate the observance of them.

Good... wag the finger where it should be wagged

Take this from one who was a staunch as you are - I despised Apple "with every fiber of my being". For YEARS I hated that "toy" computer crap called Macintosh. There was no way in the world I would even poke at the keyboard for fear of cooties...

And then it happened... I won a 32GB iPad 2... What a damned dilemma. I couldn't let that thing go to waste. It was, after all, free. ...aand I figured if I did not like it I could toss it into the garbage guilt free! Except something very strange happened - I actually liked using it. I even preferred using it over the Android tablet I already had. And the more I used it, the more I liked it. To the point that I just bought two iPhones 5's (for momma and I) and gave my iPad 2 to the spousal unit and replaced it with an Air. So much for hating Apple - I've been hoodwinked...

So - moral of that story - don't ever say never.

And M$ does piss me off - but I could not function without their products... Sucks to be so hooked...

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I am anti apple too, unfortunately I am forced to work with and on them :(

Never liked the thought of purchasing hardware, then being told how, when, where, and why to use it (trust me, it is worse with Xserve...)

most of the jobs I have had in the past, I have been able to live without M$, even my current job there is no M$ in the building so that is a positive :D

[ashauler]

Good... wag the finger where it should be wagged

Damn, I don't think I've ever been complimented on my finger wagging. You must have missed which finger I was using.

[CptnBlues63]

I love fanatics......they're so....fanatical.

While I'm not a huge fan of MS and Bill Gates, having worked in the IT industry for close to 20 years, I've had to learn their stuff if I wanted to stay employed. When I first started in computers I was introduced to the Novell networking software which was at the time, far superior to Windows NT 3.1 But I took a look at the market place and saw that MS had the vast majority of it so I pursued cert's in MS's stuff so I could ensure I got a job. I've still never worked anywhere that had any Novell so it's a good thing I didn't pursue Novell cert's or I'd have had a real tough time finding work.

I've noticed a lot of Linux users are very aggressively anti-MS and I've often wondered why. You all behave as if Bill and company bankrupted you, put you in the poor house, drove over your dog and raped your sister. What's up with that? Seriously tc3driver what did MS do to you personally to make you "despise MS with every fiber of your being"?

I'm not a big fan of Macintosh/Apple either, but when I have to work with it, I work with it. It's worth noting that's become a lot easier for me since the newer OS is UNIX based and I know my way around UNIX.


As to the rest of the discussion about Netflix and internet access.....

I pay $8 month for Netflix. I don't know why anybody is paying more since that's what they advertise their service for. I used to watch it on my Wii but about a year ago we bought a new TV and home theater system and the theater system remote has a Netflix button on it so the poor Wii has sat pretty much ignored for a long time now.

I pay about $30/month for my highspeed internet and that gives me 5 Mbps/250 GB's of bandwidth which we don't ever come close to using. Cost for highspeed varies from place to place and depends also on which package you want. You're going to pay a lot more for 100 Mbps than you would for 5 Mbps.

[ggiese]

Seeing as how we're being honest: Your reasoning sucks.

You're free to dislike and not purchase services from whomever you wish. That is what a capitalist society is all about. See reference from Wiki

"Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy." (snip)

Secondly, let's look at your figures.

-Netflix "10, 20, 30, 50 a month" - Hmmm. I only pay $7.99 for all the digital streaming I want. If I wanted DVD's, I would pay an additional $7.99. But I choose not to. Not because I hate Netflix, but because I personally would not benefit from the additional service.

-Internet Access: "50 - 125 a month" - My internet service is a set price. If yours fluctuates that much, you should look for another provider. Oh, and I pay a fair amount for my service. Not because I love the company, but it is a service I see value in.

-Microsoft wants $5 a month to watch Netflix - C'mon now, this is not true. First off, an XBox Live Gold membership is $4.16 per month. And, you get a whole lot more than just Netflix. Much more, and much better than Playstation Network. Here's a link to some of the benefits.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live?xr=shellnav

Like I said in the beginning, you have the right to choose. That's what makes this country what it is, and I hope to God it stays that way. So, keep playing the Playstation (which I have no problem with, and will probably get one of them too). But let's try to keep a conversation based on facts, not some seemingly socialist bullshit.

There are SO many things I love about being in a Capitalist state - not the least of which is all the cool toys we have! But - gotta be honest too - I'm not thrilled with the way M$ and Sony suck money out of their products. It's definitely Capitalist, all right, but I guess I'm struggling understanding why I should have to pay for anything that used to be free - even if it's just paying a "small" charge to play a stupid video game online. The concept just creeps me out...

And I am incredibly P.O.'d that what used to cost me $25/month (POTS phone service) now costs me north of $200 for the "bundle" so that I can keep up with the world...

But I do also get it (as much as I hate it) - cool toy development does have a cost...

[TheGreekTitan]

No I don't agree with you, I think paying for a service that should be free is foolish... but continue in your rose hazed world.

I didn't say you agreed with me, just that your statements were bullshit. See my proofs in my previous post.

And, you don't know me near well enough to understand my take on the what's going on in this world.

BTW You act as if this is the first time you've had a real discussion with opposing views. Be factual, don't exaggerate, and relax. Nobody's eating your lunch, just calling it like I see it.

There are SO many things I love about being in a Capitalist state - not the least of which is all the cool toys we have! But - gotta be honest too - I'm not thrilled with the way M$ and Sony suck money out of their products. It's definitely Capitalist, all right, but I guess I'm struggling understanding why I should have to pay for anything that used to be free - even if it's just paying a "small" charge to play a stupid video game online. The concept just creeps me out...

And I am incredibly P.O.'d that what used to cost me $25/month (POTS phone service) now costs me north of $200 for the "bundle" so that I can keep up with the world...

But I do also get it (as much as I hate it) - cool toy development does have a cost...

I understand, and agree. Unfortunately, it's something we'll never get away from at this point.

My biggest problem was the "They want to charge me $5 a month for something I'm already paying for". You're not paying for Netflix (although that is part of it). You're paying for a whole slew of things. One example is getting two free games every month if you decide to download them. Does that mean the games cost $2.05 each? If so, I guess Netflix is free.

[ggiese]

I have to be honest.

Aside from the fact that I despise Microsoft with every fiber of my being.

I truly hate the Microsoft XBOX line of products. Mainly because they like to charge you for products and services you already pay for. Such as Netflix, You pay 10, 20, 30, 50 a month for Netflix. Then you pay between 50-125 a month for internet access, M$ wants another 5 dollars a month for you to be able to watch Netflix on the XBOX. This goes for all of the services you pay for that are accessible via XBOX.

I almost hate sony as much as I do M$ (in some cases more). At least they don't charge me for services that I already pay for. That is why there will be a PS4 in my house (probably when GT7, or GTA6 comes out), when the games are there to support it.

Take this from one who was a staunch as you are - I despised Apple "with every fiber of my being". For YEARS I hated that "toy" computer crap called Macintosh. There was no way in the world I would even poke at the keyboard for fear of cooties...

And then it happened... I won a 32GB iPad 2... What a damned dilemma. I couldn't let that thing go to waste. It was, after all, free. ...aand I figured if I did not like it I could toss it into the garbage guilt free! Except something very strange happened - I actually liked using it. I even preferred using it over the Android tablet I already had. And the more I used it, the more I liked it. To the point that I just bought two iPhones 5's (for momma and I) and gave my iPad 2 to the spousal unit and replaced it with an Air. So much for hating Apple - I've been hoodwinked...

So - moral of that story - don't ever say never.

And M$ does piss me off - but I could not function without their products... Sucks to be so hooked...