Wtf

[Kayakinboy]

Bill and George and that kayakinkid too. If you guys stay on this board it means you condone the actions of Hex with regards to the "stupid people" thread. You know that mannix should be banned and since he hasn't been you all need to leave here.

Time to set sail fella's. I won't be back regardless of what is done from here on out.

NA

SC, I agree fully

Here's a short list of people who would miss him a great deal if he were to permanently leave this site:
Me
ggiese
Hugh Jorgan
SamClemmons
cigarsarge
BkCloud114
KayakinBoy...

Yeah I'd miss ya... ya old fart!

Cigarsmokers.com is a member moderated community. We did not have a policy in place stating that making racist comments would get you banned and I don’t like enforcing policy’s retroactively...

Member moderated, IMHO, would mean that the members would make a call of banning or not banning, and you saw right from the begining, it was "off with his head" and you just let him off with a warning. And also, that policy, is on just about every other board. I'm not knocking this board, I like dropping by, but if you let him off with a warning, it just shows me, you pretty much don't care about the feelings of the black/gay/female posters... while I'm non of the above, it still makes me sick that you didn't ban him. Hex, I'm sorry.

CC's usually an asshole to me, but from what I'v seen he brings alot to the table.

And you know what, stupid comments like that, sure doesn't make anyone want to stay longer. Half the board wants you to get a nice kick in the ass, you have to be a smart ass?? If you look, CC, Leebo, SamClemmons, Giese, they are the good guys. They've been around, and have a pretty good damn eye at spotting the shit heads.

Have fun at your KKK rally boys (this is meant for the racists), to the BOTLs of this board, I'll see ya around.

[hex1848]

Member moderated, IMHO, would mean that the members would make a call of banning or not banning, and you saw right from the begining, it was "off with his head" and you just let him off with a warning. And also, that policy, is on just about every other board. I'm not knocking this board, I like dropping by, but if you let him off with a warning, it just shows me, you pretty much don't care about the feelings of the black/gay/female posters... while I'm non of the above, it still makes me sick that you didn't ban him. Hex, I'm sorry.

You apparently were not around when the membership jumped at even the mention banning a member.

[prophetic_joe]

hex man don't sweat it you did what you should have imho. you sat back and came to a rational decision free of anger. thinking before you take action is very admirable. as an admin you needed to take time to get as many member reactions as possible to come to a fair decision. the majority of members felt he should be banned nd now he has been. you listened to what the populace wanted good going.

oh and CC pm sent.

[TheSilentChamber]

And you know what, stupid comments like that, sure doesn't make anyone want to stay longer. Half the board wants you to get a nice kick in the ass, you have to be a smart ass?? If you look, CC, Leebo, SamClemmons, Giese, they are the good guys. They've been around, and have a pretty good damn eye at spotting the shit heads.

Stupid comments like what? I said he offers alot to this forum.


Ever sence I joined this forum I'v been called out on stuff I say, it doesnt matter if the persons posting directly above me and below me said the same thing. Sure I have offended people, but when you want to be like when I say stuff thats the same as other people say- thats just pethetic.

[TheVitaleMob]

hex man don't sweat it you did what you should have imho. you sat back and came to a rational decision free of anger. thinking before you take action is very admirable. as an admin you needed to take time to get as many member reactions as possible to come to a fair decision. the majority of members felt he should be banned nd now he has been. you listened to what the populace wanted good going.

Ditto.

[ggiese]

Stupid comments like what? I said he offers alot to this forum.


Ever sence I joined this forum I'v been called out on stuff I say, it doesnt matter if the persons posting directly above me and below me said the same thing. Sure I have offended people, but when you want to be like when I say stuff thats the same as other people say- thats just pethetic.

What would you expect, SC - you keep sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. Posting in this thread about you thinking Manix having a 1st ammendment right to say what he said, and wanting to shake his hand if you ever meet him is what got you into trouble in this thread. And if you don't see that, then you will go through time here with your foot constantly stuck in your mouth. You just seem to be drawn to these controversies like a moth to a flame...

[TheSilentChamber]

Yall are very selectrive readers, only seeing the parts of stuff you want to, and interperting them any way you want to. You keep saying I wanted to shake his hand, even though I'v said that I was being sarcastic. You keep saying that I'm defending him even though I clearly said that he was wrong for what he said.

[basil]

Cigarsmokers.com is a member moderated community. We did not have a policy in place stating that making racist comments would get you banned and I don’t like enforcing policy’s retroactively, it seems way too fascist. I don’t like banning people at all, but it’s clear the community simply does not want to be associated with individuals who make racist statements.

I’ve read statements indicating that I didn’t act fast or decisively enough. You know what? Managing a bunch of pseudo anonymous members of an internet community isn’t an easy task. You are never going to please everyone and someone is always gong to end up whining like a little school girl.

I have decided to ban Manix permanently unless the community gets a public apology and the community accepts.

Manix you obviously can not post. If you want back in, then email me: miguelg[at]gmail[dot]com and I will post the apology to the community in a poll.

Not good enough. Hex while I appreciate your efforts toward fairness, the fair thing here is to close the door on this loser. Not under threat of people bailing, but because that's the obvious vote of this board. Retro nothing. Would you let someone who proudly justifies pedophilia or beating his wife continue to use your board just because there were no rules addressing such behavior before they were outed? An apology for bigotry that he claims to be proud of? Doesn't wash. And, he's just the type that'll say the words "I'm sorry" and go back to howdy doody, glad handing, board-humping bullshit. And you'll still have the same asshole - so full of bile that he uses sarcasm to demean his own mother's heritage. Hitler had the same problem wiht his Jewish heritage. As I said, the guy's got too much history to make it right on this board and maybe this lifetime; e.g., the multiple lies he spewed on the PIF thread. If he's willing to lie there and proudly claim bigotry here, he'll damn sure fabricate an apology for us. Fuck 'im. You can publish his apology. I'll gladly piss all over it.

I vote permanent ban. No brainer.

[prophetic_joe]

Not good enough. Hex while I appreciate your efforts toward fairness, the fair thing here is to close the door on this loser. Not under threat of people bailing, but because that's the obvious vote of this board. Retro nothing. Would you let someone who proudly justifies pedophilia or beating his wife continue to use your board just because there were no rules addressing such behavior before they were outed? An apology for bigotry that he claims to be proud of? Doesn't wash. And, he's just the type that'll say the words "I'm sorry" and go back to howdy doody, glad handing, board-humping bullshit. And you'll still have the same asshole - so full of bile that he uses sarcasm to demean his own mother's heritage. Hitler had the same problem wiht his Jewish heritage. As I said, the guy's got too much history to make it right on this board and maybe this lifetime; e.g., the multiple lies he spewed on the PIF thread. If he's willing to lie there and proudly claim bigotry here, he'll damn sure fabricate an apology for us. Fuck 'im. You can publish his apology. I'll gladly piss all over it.

I vote permanent ban. No brainer.

pretty sure this whole thing has stressed hex out a bit and no one ever wants to have to ban members. i say the guy has done enough and if you don't think so and tcmm happens to lie his way back in, the members will make it a pretty unhappy place for him. not to mention every has an option in their user cp to ignore a particular member. how great is the net.

[Roham]

Hex, in my opinion you have handled this situation 100% perfectly! I couldn't of done it better myself. I would just stick to your guns and don't let all these people get to you. This is a great board and I enjoy checking in here nightly. If people leave, let them leave. Like you said, you can't make everyone happy. Impossible. I was here during all the talk of banning members and how shunned on it was.



You handled the situation perfectly!!!

[Bkcloud114]

This has to be the stupidest shit I have heard in a while......... TCMM has been banned.... GOOD...... F*ck him...... and anybody who wants to shake his hand should go with him

And comes the day I meet someone with as much hate as I have, I want to shake your hand manix.

TheSilentChamber...... this was your post and there is no other way to interpret what you said...... the comments you made were just as racist as TCMM.


CoronaGigante.......... holy crap !!!

[Baron Porthos]

Cigarsmokers.com is a member moderated community. We did not have a policy in place stating that making racist comments would get you banned and I don’t like enforcing policy’s retroactively, it seems way too fascist. I don’t like banning people at all, but it’s clear the community simply does not want to be associated with individuals who make racist statements.

I’ve read statements indicating that I didn’t act fast or decisively enough. You know what? Managing a bunch of pseudo anonymous members of an internet community isn’t an easy task. You are never going to please everyone and someone is always gong to end up whining like a little school girl.

I have decided to ban Manix permanently unless the community gets a public apology and the community accepts.

Manix you obviously can not post. If you want back in, then email me: miguelg[at]gmail[dot]com and I will post the apology to the community in a poll.

I know it sucks making retroactive decisions but I for one think you did the right thing. That does not happen enough these days.
Thank You

[grand cru no 2]

George, Bill, Tommy, we've got to step it up! We've been slacking, we ain't been guarding the door. Been letting just anybody come in here and we have to put a stop to it! I'm taking my humi and recliner to the foyer. I'm bringing my shotgun as well.

It's back to the hazing days for me. Gotta start checking them out again. Giving 'em some hell as soon as they come through the door. And if they get out of shape, I'm gonna give 'em a chest full of birdshot (sense it's illegal for me to hit 'em with buckshot, ).

[ggiese]

Yall are very selectrive readers, only seeing the parts of stuff you want to, and interperting them any way you want to. You keep saying I wanted to shake his hand, even though I'v said that I was being sarcastic. You keep saying that I'm defending him even though I clearly said that he was wrong for what he said.

"Selective reading"... Okay... Maybe you're more naive than I initially believed....

And comes the day I meet someone with as much hate as I have, I want to shake your hand manix.

Hmmmm... Sarcastic, eh... Please point it out to me... I'm just not seeing it, even though I've sat here and studied it... No smilies - not even the that Hex put in here for just such an occasion...

Was what he did wrong? Well yeah, no shit. But everyone has the right to there (that would be "their", SC) own opinion. While this may not the the place to discuss such (add an "a") thing (and (add an "it") is not the place to discuss it) he should still be entitled to his opinion. I have grown to the sence (don't know what this is supposed to mean, but "since" is not spelled "sence") over the years that some of the people who are the biggest opposers of racism are the biggest racists. Kinda a "I'll stand up for whats ("what's") right to make me look good, but I'm not going to shop at that convience store owned by indians even though its closer and less out of the way than the other one." type thing. I'm not calling anyone racist- but I think that everyone is a little racist at some point in time. How many people here would have gladly sat next to a guy wearing a turban and had a big beared ("beard") in the weeks following 9/11? Most people do it on a subconcious level, most are discrete about it, dont let it show and go on living there ("their") lives like the other six billion people. Some share these opinions while in company of close friends, some make blanket comments while behind the protection of the internet. I dont think he should be banned for what he said, he did not direct the statment at anyone in person here, and he did go back and clear up what he said to something that did sound a little better - dont know if it was because he was feeling pressure from other members or if thats what he accually ment ("actually meant") to say.

You know, SC - maybe you're right. It's not that the reader is having difficulty understanding your words - it's what you are writing that is causing the confusion. First of all, I would concentrate more on spelling and sentence structure (a great place to check your spelling is here: Dictionary dot com . Then I would think about putting your thoughts in a more logical sequence. Finally, take out the sentences that are "fluff" intended to elicit a comedic response (being sarcastic). The way the above paragraph is written, it can easily be mistaken as tacit support for Manix - and I for one am having a lot of difficulty trying to see that you didn't intend it to be that way... So maybe I'm wrong - write it so I understand it...

And the last part says quite a bit about your feelings in this matter...

I dont think he should be banned for what he said, he did not direct the statment at anyone in person here, and he did go back and clear up what he said to something that did sound a little better - dont know if it was because he was feeling pressure from other members or if thats what he accually ment to say.

Maybe you meant to say that Manix should write his posts more clearly? Or maybe you meant that he was forced to write something that was uncomfortable to him because he was feeling the pressure from other members and did not do a good job of it. I'm not sure. Either way I'm reading this to mean that we should give Manix some slack because he was trying to clear it up and he should not be banned (that's VERY clear in your statement). I don't see how I could misread any of that... And if that was what you're saying, even the follow up post Manix made was barely better than the first post. From the sounds of that post, SC - it appears to me that you would have been satisfied if Manix would have written a one sentence post "I'm not racist" and we could have all gone home happy... Very ignorant thinking, SC.

And please explain this to me: "I have grown to the sence (sic) over the years that some of the people who are the biggest opposers of racism are the biggest racists." SC - I suppose from the YEARS you've been on this face of the earth, and all of the wisdom you've gathered over that great span of time, this would make sense to you... But fortunately I'm not in the same place you are. I suppose if I was filled with the wisdom and knowledge the years you had I may have a similar opinion, but fortunately I'm just a tad bit older than you and have had just a few more life's experiences.

Most important of all, SC - you are entitled to your opinion. But you better expect to get a good tongue lashing from the community if you post some of the crap you've posted (and the kinds of things Manix posted). If you don't like tongue lashing - don't come in here ripping on other members for their opposing opinions - think about what you are saying and decide if it's worth the inevitable beat down that comes with posting it.

[ggiese]

George, Bill, Tommy, we've got to step it up! We've been slacking, we ain't been guarding the door. Been letting just anybody come in here and we have to put a stop to it! I'm taking my humi and recliner to the foyer. I'm bringing my shotgun as well.

It's back to the hazing days for me. Gotta start checking them out again. Giving 'em some hell as soon as they come through the door. And if they get out of shape, I'm gonna give 'em a chest full of birdshot (sense it's illegal for me to hit 'em with buckshot, ).

Hey - SilentChamber - Ray says to step it up!!! I support that position!!! And you have one of two possible choices as I see it - STFU (as I've already suggested) or bear the brunt of the beat down that's coming. Under normal circumstances I don't like to match wits with someone who is unarmed, but in your case I'm willing to make an exception...

[moki]

I have made the decision to ban members for making racist/bigot comments from this point on. I agree that the remarks in question do not belong here but I can not in good conscience ban a member retroactively.

This guy can't possibly be serious? People like this exist, and haven't died suffocating on their own vomit?

Burn the witch. Do you seriously think anyone will want this guy around in the community anyway?

[CoventryCat86]

Well, I just drove 1000 miles in two days. (Tallahassee to Miami and Back). I got to get a sneak peak at the Torano warehouse in Miami and brought back a bunch of goodies. I thought this over and am leaning towards a full ban on Manix. Not because I don’t want people to bail, but I want to make a stern statement that the types of views discussed are not going to take place here. Period.

Hey Andrew, Hex has reconsidered his original position and this lowlife TheyCallMeMeanix is now permanently banned.

[moki]

Hey Andrew, Hex has reconsidered his original position and this lowlife TheyCallMeMeanix is now permanently banned.

Excellent.

[BigMacFU]

Threadjack--the historicity of Hitler actually having Jewish heritage is up in the air still. There is no doubt that his grandfather had an adulterous relationship with their Jewish maid, but there is no legitimate historical evidence that Hitler's father/mother was the result of that infidelity. I'm not sure whether it was Hitler's father's father or mother's father, but that doesn't make a difference since the evidence itself is not all in yet. That's just the historian in me

And now back to the regularly scheduled program, Manix is gone, permanently banned and thank goodness!!!

[Baron Porthos]

George, Bill, Tommy, we've got to step it up! We've been slacking, we ain't been guarding the door. Been letting just anybody come in here and we have to put a stop to it! I'm taking my humi and recliner to the foyer. I'm bringing my shotgun as well.

It's back to the hazing days for me. Gotta start checking them out again. Giving 'em some hell as soon as they come through the door. And if they get out of shape, I'm gonna give 'em a chest full of birdshot (sense it's illegal for me to hit 'em with buckshot, ).

I am more of a traditionalist. Just wondering if longbows and wooden arrows are allowed. Let it be known I am not of the caliber of you and the others but I really like it here and would be happy to light some bitch on fire with flaming arrows.