Duplicate Accounts

[CoventryCat86]

The reason the trust is broken is because nobody but the person using duplicate accounts knows who they are or the reasons they are doing it. This has nothing to do with Sid starting rumors, Hex was the one who brought all of this to light by saying that there were a few people with duplicate accounts. Hex then stated that there was someone who was still using duplicate accounts. The board has a right to know who this is. It is lying the same way that me giving you a call on the phone and pretending to be someone else would be lying.

Noun 1. lying - the deliberate act of deviating from the truth.

Lie: To utter falsehood with an intention to deceive; to say or do that which is intended to deceive another, when he a right to know the truth, or when morality requires a just representation.

If you are on this forum pretending to be someone you are not you are lying. If you lie you have then broken a trust. If every member knew that the duplicate account was had, like over at the other board you are active on, then that would be all well and good but that is not the case here. I'm fairly certain you are a member of the minority with your opinion on this one Bill, however you are entitled to your opinion, this is though supposed to be a member moderated board and the members seem to have spoken about wanting to know you has duplicate accounts and what those accounts are.

I still don't see how any "trust" is broken.By the way, you didn't answer my two questions which were:

Does this mean you don't "trust" me anymore Nate?
Does this mean you won't participate in a trade or a pass with me?

Yes, then he backed off of that statement with this:

Here is what I know: I found several duplicate accounts with matching IP addresses. Some of them were obviously accidental signups, no extra posts, no problem. I found a couple of iffy duplicates, but after looking closer at them, they haven’t been used in a while.

I did find 2 senior members with what appears to be blatant duplicate account usage. IP’s match, posting habits’ continued until very recently, etc. I contacted one of those members and got an explanation, the other one I’m trying to catch in the act (not enough concrete evidence). The person I did contact offered an explanation which I considered plausible. If he wants to come out and say something, he can.

Notice the "what appears" part of his statement? That definitely is NOT what you said that I highlighted in green above.

I disagree Hex has this policy:

PM me and we can handle the matter with out the drama.

and he's sticking to it. I don't have a problem with that, do you?

I'm confused by this statement because some people on the other board know about it while others don't and once again, I don't see any harm or betrayal by that person posting with duplicate accounts.

"you" or "who"

[prophetic_joe]

Bill it's pretty simple a trust is broken when someone begins lying. Pretending to be someone you aren't is lying, hence the broken trust.

Does this mean you don't "trust" me anymore Nate?
Does this mean you won't participate in a trade or a pass with me?

Both depend. Are you currently lying to me?

Notice the "what appears" part of his statement? That definitely is NOT what you said that I highlighted in green above.

He has not come back to relay his findings on he APPEARS to have found so therefore the members here can only make assumptions. This is yet another reason why this now needs to be dealt with publicly.

I disagree Hex has this policy:

PM me and we can handle the matter with out the drama.

and he's sticking to it. I don't have a problem with that, do you?

Yes I do have a problem with it. Hex brought the issue to the public light he now needs to handle it in public.

If you think you might fall under this new policy, then PM me and we can handle the matter with out the drama.

Notice the "New" part in this statement. This rule has been in effect for awhile now and everyone with duplicate accounts has had ample time to resolve the situation, considering the lentgh of time that has passed since the implimentation of this rule I don't believe the pm is enough any longer.

I'm confused by this statement because some people on the other board know about it while others don't and once again, I don't see any harm or betrayal by that person posting with duplicate accounts.

Again that person is purposefully lying to the members of a board to purposefully lie to someone is a betrayal and while the betrayal may not cause direct harm it does make having a true friendship quite a bit harder. I thought the people on this board were people I could count as friends, if we were true friends we wouldn't need to hide behind mutiple accounts.

"you" or "who"

That would be "who". I made a typographical error.

[Dickson]

With out all the quotes back and forth. My understanding is Hex said he would deal with this situation. However he chooses to deal with it, I will support.

However, if something s not done publicly my participation on this board will diminish. I have received an PM from a respected member of the board stating that he is leaving. How many other's are contamplating this? For valued members to leave or for any member to leave over duplicate accounts is a bit ironic, don't you think? Most every site I have been on duplicate accounts are a no-no without anything being said. Again, I'll not enter into an debate over this matter. Just stating an opinion.

[guado]

With out all the quotes back and forth. My understanding is Hex said he would deal with this situation. However he chooses to deal with it, I will support.

However, if something s not done publicly my participation on this board will diminish. I have received an PM from a respected member of the board stating that he is leaving. How many other's are contamplating this? For valued members to leave or for any member to leave over duplicate accounts is a bit ironic, don't you think? Most every site I have been on duplicate accounts are a no-no without anything being said. Again, I'll not enter into an debate over this matter. Just stating an opinion.

Same here Dickson...

[CoventryCat86]

With out all the quotes back and forth. My understanding is Hex said he would deal with this situation. However he chooses to deal with it, I will support.

However, if something s not done publicly my participation on this board will diminish. I have received an PM from a respected member of the board stating that he is leaving. How many other's are contamplating this? For valued members to leave or for any member to leave over duplicate accounts is a bit ironic, don't you think? Most every site I have been on duplicate accounts are a no-no without anything being said. Again, I'll not enter into an debate over this matter. Just stating an opinion.

Statement #1:

Hex said he would deal with this situation. However he chooses to deal with it, I will support.

Statement #1:

However, if something s not done publicly my participation on this board will diminish.

You first say you'll support Hex no matter what he does but your participation will "diminish" if he doesn't do it the way you want it done.

So which is it dickson? You've completely contradticted yourself in two consecutive sentences.

On MANY other boards, the admin just deletes the duplicate accounts and deals with the person private (just like Hex's policy is here) and there is no bravado or drama over it.

As far as this alledged "respected member" you talk about "leaving" that act is getting real old real fast. This board "is what it is" to use ggiese's words, if members like it, then stay and participate, make friends, trade cigars and so forth. If people don't like it then leave and please spare us the whining on the way out as it only makes the person doing it look like an immature baby.

I also have very little respect for people that whine in PMs yet won't express their concerns openly. If they're too spineless to say it publicly then it's meaningless. This is the same situation as people who've claimed they've received "many PMs supporting me" when they find themselves in a hole or on the hotseat, it's meaningless.

[CoventryCat86]

Both depend. Are you currently lying to me?

Now you're talking in circles. You seem to be hung up on equating someone who made up duplicate accounts when there was no policy against it to someone who is a liar and who is untrustworthy. I made up "the ox hole" duplicate account in 2005 after I registered here in April of 2005 and that is not a lie. Now based on that, I asked you these two questions:

Does this mean you don't "trust" me anymore Nate?
Does this mean you won't participate in a trade or a pass with me?

Can you please answer my questions with an answer instead of another question?

[Dickson]

Make that two respected members. CC, I like you and I will not be drawn in to your debate. I have no need to explain myself to anyone but, Hex.

I still think you should let me hunt those deer. The ticks must rule your neighborhood!!!

[CoventryCat86]

Make that two respected members. CC, I like you and I will not be drawn in to your debate. I have no need to explain myself to anyone but, Hex.

I still think you should let me hunt those deer. The ticks must rule your neighborhood!!!

Make what "two respected members?" Honestly, you lost me......

[Dickson]

Another PM...Now about those deer

[CoventryCat86]

Another PM...Now about those deer

Okay, what qualifies in your mind as a "respected member?" I can guarantee you that your criteria are different from mine and probably from everyone else's as well.

You say:

I will not be drawn in to your debate.

yet you keep stiring the pot with still more alledged PMs about people leaving. If you don't want to "debate" then drop it. If you want to debate about how Hex running the board then let's talk about it, you can't have it both ways.

[prophetic_joe]

You seem to be hung up on equating someone who made up duplicate accounts when there was no policy against it to someone who is a liar and who is untrustworthy.

Bill you seem to be hung up on the fact that these duplicate accounts were created before the policy was implemented, and while it is a possibility that this is the case according to Hex there is evidence that someone is still using one of these duplicate accounts today. That is clearly a violation of board policy. Thsi was brought to public light by Hex and now should be dealt with in public. If Hex makes the decision to handle it privately that is definitely his right but I will not support that decision.

As to your two questions at this moment I really don't know.

[ggiese]

I say - OUT THE BASTID!!

..I just KNOW it's that nemesis of mine - Hugh Jorgan, but I can't prove it...

[Hugh Jorgan]

I say - OUT THE BASTID!!

..I just KNOW it's that nemesis of mine - Hugh Jorgan, but I can't prove it...

I too say - OUT THE BASTID!!

..I just KNOW it's that nemesis of mine - Ggiese, but I can't prove it...

[CoventryCat86]

Bill you seem to be hung up on the fact that these duplicate accounts were created before the policy was implemented, and while it is a possibility that this is the case according to Hex there is evidence that someone is still using one of these duplicate accounts today. That is clearly a violation of board policy. Thsi was brought to public light by Hex and now should be dealt with in public. If Hex makes the decision to handle it privately that is definitely his right but I will not support that decision.

As to your two questions at this moment I really don't know.

You're darn right I'm "hung up on the fact that these duplicate accounts were created before the policy was implemented" because that means there's no problem, no violation and nothing to make an issue over.

according to Hex there is evidence that someone is still using one of these duplicate accounts today

I don't think Hex has any any such evidence. The sad thing here is that too many of you think he does.

[heftysmokes]

I don't think Hex has any any such evidence. The sad thing here is that too many of you think he does.

CC, I think most people feel Hex has such evidence due to the post below.

I did find 2 senior members with what appears to be blatant duplicate account usage. IP’s match, posting habits’ continued until very recently, etc. I contacted one of those members and got an explanation, the other one I’m trying to catch in the act (not enough concrete evidence). The person I did contact offered an explanation which I considered plausible. If he wants to come out and say something, he can. [/FONT]

It doesn't sound at all as if he is referring to you/the oxhole, when he states "posting habits continued until very recently." And if, in fact, he's not referring to you, whoever is guilty is remaining silent on the matter, as is Hex. No one seems to be addressing their duplicate account issue other than you, and I feel you have explained your account situation satisfactorily for everyone. Furthermore, while you believe that others' duplicate account issues are not lying nor trust issues, others clearly do. If they feel that way about the matter, that is clearly their choice, just as it is your choice to feel how you do.

Maybe since they are asking for Hex's clarification on the issue, you could let it go and he can answer how he sees fit. If he chooses to simply post "this matter is closed" fine. If he outs the members, has them tarred and feathered, and steals their wives' undergarments, that's fine too. But can't we just let Hex finish this?

I'm not asking you to refrain from addressing anyone who makes direct accusations at you. I just think the only way this matter is going to be resolved is if Hex makes a definitive statement, whether it's a big fat "STFU" or a "here's the fact's, here's my solution."

[CoventryCat86]

CC, I think most people feel Hex has such evidence due to the post below.



It doesn't sound at all as if he is referring to you/the oxhole, when he states "posting habits continued until very recently." And if, in fact, he's not referring to you, whoever is guilty is remaining silent on the matter, as is Hex. No one seems to be addressing their duplicate account issue other than you, and I feel you have explained your account situation satisfactorily for everyone. Furthermore, while you believe that others' duplicate account issues are not lying nor trust issues, others clearly do. If they feel that way about the matter, that is clearly their choice, just as it is your choice to feel how you do.

Maybe since they are asking for Hex's clarification on the issue, you could let it go and he can answer how he sees fit. If he chooses to simply post "this matter is closed" fine. If he outs the members, has them tarred and feathered, and steals their wives' undergarments, that's fine too. But can't we just let Hex finish this?

I'm not asking you to refrain from addressing anyone who makes direct accusations at you. I just think the only way this matter is going to be resolved is if Hex makes a definitive statement, whether it's a big fat "STFU" or a "here's the fact's, here's my solution."

And as I told you, the "evidence" he thought he had wasn't as definitive as he first thought. By the way, there is no second "senior" member who is still using "duplicate accounts" therefore there is NO ONE who is "remaining silent" because no one is doing anything wrong with respect to "duplicate accounts."

Since Hex isn't addressing the issue and you guys keep talking about it, I'm going to keep talking about it too.

You guys want me to shut up on this? Fine, then stop posting in this thread, how's that sound?