Is Online Age Verification a Good Thing for the Industry?

[nhcigarfan]

As far as tobacco sales go, what would be the advantage of a system like this over a credit card? Credit cards are deemed legal proof of age 18+, which I believe is the tobacco age throughout the US..

Superchuck is correct but I have a question.

I have never looked into this but what about the debit MC/visa? I think you can get those under 18 because there is no contractual debtor/creditor relationship. When those are processed as credit transactions do they verify the age of the account holder? I would doubt it but I don't know exactly.

[cigar no baka]

I think it's a pointless excercise. It's not going to work; it will not convince the nanny-stater fascists of anything. The next step in controlling our lives will likely be the banning of all tobacco sales online. Either state by state or at the federal level.

[nhcigarfan]

I think it's a pointless excercise. It's not going to work; it will not convince the nanny-stater fascists of anything. The next step in controlling our lives will likely be the banning of all tobacco sales online. Either state by state or at the federal level.

what no c-bid. NOOOOOoooooooooo

[SuperChuck]

Superchuck is correct but I have a question.

I have never looked into this but what about the debit MC/visa? I think you can get those under 18 because there is no contractual debtor/creditor relationship. When those are processed as credit transactions do they verify the age of the account holder? I would doubt it but I don't know exactly.

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

[Shel]

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

According to my CC processor and two other vendors that where trying to get a merchant account they were told they can’t get online CC processing with out an AV system in place and if that’s so what will the next move be by the CC companies?

CC companies have the lobbyists and lots of power.

[croatan]

I don't know if you can get them under the age of 18. It would seem that signing a credit card slip would be a binding contract, regardless.

But I also think I had a checking account at 17 and a check is a binding contract...

Typically, minors can contract; however, most of those contracts (unless they're for necessities) are voidable by the minor. That's why most places won't issue credit cards to them. Until Shel gives us some specifics on how exactly this thing works, I don't see how it can work any better than assuming that credit/debit card = 18 years old.

[Shel]

Typically, minors can contract; however, most of those contracts (unless they're for necessities) are voidable by the minor. That's why most places won't issue credit cards to them. Until Shel gives us some specifics on how exactly this thing works, I don't see how it can work any better than assuming that credit/debit card = 18 years old.

Well I'm no expert but as I mentioned it is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond per transaction, I guess by retaining the confirmation number you’re protected.

[croatan]

Well I'm no expert but as I mentioned it is imbedded in a Shopping Cart and works automatically. And provides a confirmation number for each transaction and has a 1 million dollar liability bond per transaction, I guess by retaining the confirmation number you’re protected.

But what is embedded in the shopping cart? How does it know you are at least 18? Do you pay a company to say that you're 18? How does that prevent minors from using their parents' computers to order? If they've got access to a credit card, don't you think they can get access to a computer on which a cookie is stored telling the online merchant that the purchaser is at least 18?

[Shel]

But what is embedded in the shopping cart? How does it know you are at least 18? Do you pay a company to say that you're 18? How does that prevent minors from using their parents' computers to order? If they've got access to a credit card, don't you think they can get access to a computer on which a cookie is stored telling the online merchant that the purchaser is at least 18?

It doesn’t work off cookies or care what computer you use it verifies each transaction base on the information inputted and I assume if you’re 18 or over your on file and can be verified.

[SuperChuck]

Here are a few tips:

We know you're trying to peddle this system
We get about 4 slimeballs per week trying to pull the "I found a great place to get cubans online and thought I'd share" game.

We're a smaht bunch of guys
I'm a programmer, several of the guys are lawyers, CC is a mob enforcer or something. Explain how the system works and you might get some interest. Double-talk just ain't gonna work.

[CoventryCat86]

It doesn’t work off cookies or care what computer you use it verifies each transaction base on the information inputted and I assume if you’re 18 or over your on file and can be verified.

However, on the other hand, THIS has quite a few spelling and gramatical errors.

First off, you forgot to put a period after "you use" and "it" These are two different sentences.

It's "based" not "base."

It's "you're" not "your." What makes this error pathetic was you had it right the first time when you said "you're 18" but then screwed the pooch with the "over your."

BTW, you really need a comma between "over" and "your(sic)."

Hard for me to take a salesman seriously when he can't speak or write.