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    Exclamation California residents must read !!!

    For those living in CA read this and make sure to vote against it !!!!!

    Los Angeles, July 21 – At the close of the first day of the Retail Tobacco Dealers of America (RTDA) trade show, more than 100 retailers, manufacturers and distributors gathered for a meeting with none of the excitement or enthusiasm present on the exhibit hall floor.

    Instead, they heard from California Association of Retail Tobacconists (CART) President Charles Janigian and others about the danger of California Proposition 86, the Tobacco Tax Act of 2006, which will be on the state’s election ballot in November.

    If passes, it would raise the tax on cigarettes by $2.60 per pack and create a $2.27 billion windfall for various health and service agencies, including more funding for the First 5 California organization created by film director Rob Reiner via the passage of Proposition 10 in 1998.

    For cigar smokers, the already-unfriendly California scene would turn frigid as the tax on the wholesale price of cigars would rise from 46.76% to approximately 135%! A similar increase would apply to pipe tobacco.

    In addition, California smokeshops would face a floor tax on all tobacco inventory on-hand on January 1, 2007, projected to be approximately 88% of the wholesale price. It would sound the death knell for many California retail tobacconists.

    A strong grass-roots campaign will be mounted, including information availability at California tobacconists, to ensure that (1) the stakes are understood, (2) that smokers and friends are well informed and (3) go to the polls on election day.

    Attendance at the event was strong and enthusiasm to defeat the initiative is high. Given the solid defeats of two initiatives on the California ballot in June, including a Reiner-backed measure to raise taxes on upper-income Californians, the possibilities are promising.

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    It just seems like this kind of legislation hurts local tobacconists.

    I'm willing to pay a premium for my B&M, but if its twice MSRP, I'll buy online... Just seems like it hurts businesses...

    (Cigarette sales will be what they'll be; most cigarettes are sold at convenience stores which, although they might be hurt, have other business to fall back on)

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    Sounds like California all right.

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    I sucks to be a cigar smoker in California thats for sure. Soon I will be paying $15 ea. for my Peach Phillies
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    Pretty shitty considering the Governor is a smoker.

    I guess he can afford those proposed taxes though. Just chump change to him- like the cost of filling up his Hummers
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    One more reason to stay away from the Peoples Republic of Californication.
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    Not to mention the Governator is probably buying Cubans all the time. That tax is pretty damn ridiculous. It's funny that they make the tax out to be something to make people quit using tobacco but what it really comes down to is making more money because they know people will buy anyway because cigarettes are addictive. People don't not buy crack because it costs alot. Bullshit. I'd saying something about the politics of California but this is the wrong forum, I will say that it's hard to believe the Governor is Republican.
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    Damn. %115?!? thats insane. California is going down hill more and more every year.
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    It will only hurt business owners, and those without internet access.

    Sad to say that most of these anti-smoking attacks are successful.

    Republicans are now MORE likely to want to control your personal life than ANY other group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDVM
    Republicans are now MORE likely to want to control your personal life than ANY other group.
    Not the "Politics" forum but I have to disagree. The Republican Party has always been for less government intervention and lower taxes, including the tobacco taxed. While the Democrats have promoted socialism and more governmant programs, higher taxes, and more government control of your money and life.

    Not sure where you got that opinion that the Republicans were backing this initiative. Start a new thread in the Politics section as I am sure it would be a lively conversation.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDVM
    Republicans are now MORE likely to want to control your personal life than ANY other group.
    Considering I hate both Democrats and Republicans equally I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one. When you have one of the largest liberal states making these extreme strides towards fucking the cigar and cigarette smoker it's pretty easy to see where this is coming from. Considering that every republican I talk to is appalled at this type of legislation and most democrats agree with it just shows me even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prophetic_joe
    Politicians all just need to suck my nuts.
    LMFAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by prophetic_joe

    Politicians all just need to suck my nuts.

    Fuckit, I'm voting for Joe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaewing
    Not the "Politics" forum but I have to disagree. The Republican Party has always been for less government intervention and lower taxes, including the tobacco taxed. While the Democrats have promoted socialism and more governmant programs, higher taxes, and more government control of your money and life.

    Not sure where you got that opinion that the Republicans were backing this initiative. Start a new thread in the Politics section as I am sure it would be a lively conversation.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
    I didn't say republicans were backing that initiative, however, many in CA will.
    But, Nationwide, republicans are no longer the small government, personal freedoms party they once pretended to be. In case you haven't noticed, they spend more than all the previous democratic admins have COMBINED.

    OK,OK, I'm stopping with that.

    Look, I'm a card carrying liberal Democrat, and I'm against this proposition. I'm also against gun control and rampant government spending. Go figure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDVM
    I didn't say republicans were backing that initiative, however, many in CA will.
    But, Nationwide, republicans are no longer the small government, personal freedoms party they once pretended to be. In case you haven't noticed, they spend more than all the previous democratic admins have COMBINED.

    OK,OK, I'm stopping with that.

    Look, I'm a card carrying liberal Democrat, and I'm against this proposition. I'm also against gun control and rampant government spending. Go figure!
    You and I can agree to disagree on many political issues . . . but this is not one of them. Together we, and everyone else, need to get the word out and defeat this initiative in November.
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