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    I know a lot of you don't like the "phoo-phoo" type posts related to describing certain flavors in cigars, but there is a useful purpose for such recognition. It is a good thing to be able to identify and recognize such flavors as leather, cedar, fruit, etc if for nothing more than to be able to read a review of a cigar and decide if the flavors being described are actually flavors that you like. For example, if someone tells me that there is a fantastic cigar that I should try with a grassy flavor, I know right away that I probably won't enjoy it. And with the multitude of cigars available, being able to actually understand what others are saying about a certain stick can save a lot of money while it increases the chances of having a good experience.

    With that said, I'd like to start a discussion about hints for recognizing certain "flavors" in a cigar. A lot of this comes from wine tasting tips, which are very similar.

    First, most flavors are actually the result of our sense of smell. There are only 5 "flavors" that we can actually pick up with our taste buds, the rest are actually the result of the odors that our olfactory senses (smell) pick up. What we taste is largely determined by the gasses and odors that certain substances put out.

    In cigar smoking, lots of the tastes that we describe are things that we never eat. Leather, wood, charcoal, etc. So how do we learn to recognize these flavors? There is a routine that I used to use years ago when I started getting interested in wine. I would get several items... cedar chips, different fruits, flowers and, yes, even leather and put each item in a wine glass (separately.) For certain items such as walnuts or other large items it was helpful to grind them up. Then I would sniff the various glasses and try to pick up the residual "taste" that it left. It might sound like a bunch of "phoo-phoo" but if you are serious about wine or cigars it is well worth the effort. The result is that after a short time you will be able to start to recognize certain intangible "flavors" in your cigars and, more importantly, be able to describe the cigar in a much more understandable way than just "mmmm....."

    You don't have to line up 20 glasses at a time. In fact, just try one or two items at a time over a period of weeks or months as you think of different possibilities and revisit them occasionally. Try things that you never thought of trying, like rubber or toast. Pretty soon you will be able to pick out and describe several tastes in your sticks and, more importantly, have a pretty good idea of which premium stick you are going to drop the next 20 bucks on for that special smoke.

    OK - here it is... I have resisted starting this thread on this site for a while for obvious reasons. Go ahead and have fun with it (can't wait to read K7's comments, ) but I think a thread like this would be great for newbies curious about developing their sense of "taste."

    BTW - Don't open up the pepper shaker or the ammonia bottle and start sniffing.
    Last edited by Shelby07; 12-01-2006 at 03:16 PM.

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    Very nice post Shelby07. Some great ideas that I may just start to apply this weekend. Many times I sit down with a smoke and get all these hints of different flavors but can't quite get a grasp on what they are. I've also been told to "sniff" around your spice cabinet to see if you reconize some of the scents you may be tasting in your sticks. Also if you have a good review on a particular stick, when you go to smoke it have the review in hand and see if you pick up the same tastes the reviewer did. It might make it easier to reconize what your tasting if somebody else has already spelled it out for you. Another thing I was told was at least initially, try and drink just water as your beverage while smoking so as to not confuse your palette.



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    sardines....mmmmmmm

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    good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff View Post
    sardines....mmmmmmm

    That sardine smells familiar....just cant quite figure out what ...hmmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapuff View Post
    sardines....mmmmmmm
    Sid - Wrong thread. I think you're talkin' about the Brittany Spears post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby07 View Post
    Sid - Wrong thread. I think you're talkin' about the Brittany Spears post.
    gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby07 View Post
    Sid - Wrong thread. I think you're talkin' about the Brittany Spears post.

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    Great post Shelby07. I had been wanting to ask if there was a way to educate my taste buds, but was hesitant to do so. I read in a thread here somewhere about searching for previous reviews and then seeing if you could detect the same flavors that another reviewer had, and I have been doing that, but wonder if it is the influence of the previous review, or something that I am really detecting. So far I have been able to detect chocolate, cedar, and vague "spicy" flavors that I can't really define.

    Another piece of advice I got here is to peel the band and stick it on a 3 x 5 card the first time I smoke a particular cigar, record my impressions, and then review the card the next time I smoke the same cigar to see if I can pick up anything additional, or if it has changed any over time.

    I seem to drink coffee with most of my cigars, maybe I will try just water for awhile and see if that helps.

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    I'm still quite a newb to cigars, but I've been tasting wine for a while now. And, as Shelby said, they seem to have a lot in common. One of the things that first attracted me to cigars was seeing the variations and hints of flavors that reminded me of having a glass of wine.

    One of the things that helped me with wine was to try to figure out what the taste/smell reminded me of. That and paitence, it took me about a year to taste anything other than grapes when I drank wine.

    That said, I appreciated the post and advice... I've been trying to develop my cigar palette.

    And thanks for the advice Shelby, I may try it for a few of the cigar flavors that I'm not used to (leather, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashauler View Post
    ...Another piece of advice I got here is to peel the band and stick it on a 3 x 5 card the first time I smoke a particular cigar, record my impressions, and then review the card the next time I smoke the same cigar to see if I can pick up anything additional, or if it has changed any over time.
    This is a really good idea. Very easy to index and sort. A way to get a good clean band is to slide it off (usually very easy to do when the ash gets close to the band) then soak the glued area in a shallow puddle of water. After about 15 minutes or so the glue dissolves and the ends of the band separate nicely. The water does not harm the band, at least in my experience.

    If your Padron '64 starts to taste like a Macanudo, you probably waited too long to remove the band.

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