OK, enough bullshit.

[Newfie]

Holy Sweet Mother Of Easter!!!! What the hell did I miss the past few days?? Browsing some of the "HATE" threads (for lack of a better word) maybe I'm glad I missed it.

THIS thread and the links contained within are the exact reason why I don't spend a whole lot of time here any more, and usually when I do read / post something, it's cigar related, which is (IMHO) the exact reason Miguel created the board in the first place. It's also the same reason most of us joined the board, and ALSO, the God Damned reason many Moderated Boards ban Political debates. Looking what goes on here, maybe that isn't such a bad idea.

You know guys (and gals That's you Cin, couldn't leave out the board's Smoke Free Sweetie Pie!! ), politics and related hatred on this board has caused issues similar to the bullshit that's been going on in Ireland for decades & centuries. It get's to the point where nobody ever remembers what they're fighting about any more!!!!

Does anyone here really want to see anyone leave?? If you take the bullshit political feelings out of it, no!! We're all Brothers Of The Leaf hare, but we seem to forget that when it comes down to all your God Damned asswipe bullshit trolling arguements over fuck all.

Do I agree with everyone here on all viewpoints?? No!! Will I ever?? No. Not about cigars, politics, or hockey or any thing else. But that's one of the interesting things about life, we're all different.

Do I like all the jokes and trolling that goes on here?? No, much of it is funny to someone or another, but we don't all have to like it. It's like Porn on TV. If you don't like it, change the friggin' channel. If you don't like the subject of a thread, "THEN IGNORE THE THREAD, WHY START BULLSHIT".

As the Eagles said .......... "Get Over It!!!" Get back to smoking and talking cigars.

Shelby, stick around dude, hopefully it'll change back to a Community where we can do what the Board was intended for.

Sid - Same goes for you. I enjoyed the time we met & HERFed in Buffalo with Dan, and would surely hope to do it again sometime. Do I like or agree with all the stuff you post?? No, and I think some of it is provoking someone else, but I stay out of it.

George and Sarge make a bunch of points on several posts that are chock full of wisdom. Might be great if some others read & heeded 'em.

Bill - Do I like all the stuff you post either trying to start something, or in retalation to someone trying to get inside your guts?? No, but as above, if I don't like it, I don't read it. I stay away. I ignore the thread. (You see a pattern here??)

Everyone mentioned above is, and can be, a great BOTL. Most of you have probably given away more cigars that I will see in my life. That's one of the things that makes you all "Brothers Of The Leaf". It's Politics and utter bullshit that's ripping the very heart out of this, Hex's beloved project.

Last statement:

People, for fuck sakes give it up. Cut the bullshit and get back to smoking something decent.

Peace!!!!

[guado]

*amen*

[nhcigarfan]

I was wondering where you had been.

[Cabaiguan Juan]

much needed.

[chefchris]

we should sticky this.

[Bassfever]

What Newfie said

[ashauler]

What Newfie said

[ggiese]

Very nice post, Newfie. However, I have one point I disagree with.

No doubt the BS needs to stop - it is divisive - and it will rip this place apart. But this current state of affairs is really not about disagreeing. If you think about it, it really is about ego and unreasonable expectations of one person's role in this community.

No doubt - this board is about talking cigars - but it is definitely not someone's personal kingdom. It truly isn't even Hex's kingdom. As much as it pains him, he gave the place over to the membership for their enjoyment.

This place does not need to be moderated by a few guys who make the decisions about what's appropriate or not - it's member moderated. That means the membership as a whole, as opposed to a few individuals. set the tone for what's acceptable and what's not acceptable within the community. Very democratic, you might say...

Boy - there's advantages and disadavantages to being member moderated. One of the BIG disadvantages we've just lived through. But the beauty of it? We're still here - and people are having cigar discussions. And I believe we're stronger because of it.

One of the advantages, though, is we're having open discussions in the community about how members should be acting. Is it painful? Hell yes, it's painful. People say and do things that can be pretty damaging to reputations through the process. That'll teach you, though! Betcha won't do that again (at least you would believe they wouldn't be so foolish as to do that again).

Wouldn't it have been easier for a moderator to make the decision to pull the pin at the first sign of trouble? Sid - Gone. CC - Gone. Shelby - Gone. Then what? You want to talk painful community wide? Start arbitrarily banning members. Kinda like Club Stogie and HCF. That'll do wonders for your reputation...

Bottom line - if you really can't get along well with others (aside from occasional dust-ups), are ego driven, want to gouge members, want to steal from the community, want to come in for the sole purpose of causing trouble (or any combination thereof) it's probably a good time to move on...

...or you WILL get your ass handed to you...



BTW - there will be no CARTHAGO DELENDA EST around here... For those of you who don't know what that means, you've not been around long enough. But stick around - you'll learn. For those of you who do know what it means - we've just seen a repeat of the same shenanigans. Didn't work then - won't work now.

[cigar no baka]

I agree that we should keep politics out of this board. It does nothing except promote a lot of bullshit, anger, and pissing matches.

But as for "if you don't like it, ignore it?", that's too simplistic. So if someone comes on here and repeatgedly posts a bunch of angry, hate filled stuff, do you think that everyone is going to ignore it forever? Of course not, if someone start pushing buttons they will eventually get a response, which is what they are looking for in the first place. Then tempers flare, pissing matches started, which eventually grow into deep-rooted hatreds.

So an occasional bullshit post, I can ignore, fine. But when they become a torrent, and I have to see discussions when I hit new posts that have inflammatory titles every time I hit "New Posts", this place starts to melt down. And I won't stand for that, nor will many of the others around here obviously. When we see someone doing nothing but stirring up hate, bile and controversy, of course eventually we are going to try to run the asshat off.

[cigar no baka]

Very nice post, Newfie. However, I have one point I disagree with.

No doubt the BS needs to stop - it is divisive - and it will rip this place apart. But this current state of affairs is really not about disagreeing. If you think about it, it really is about ego and unreasonable expectations of one person's role in this community.

No doubt - this board is about talking cigars - but it is definitely not someone's personal kingdom. It truly isn't even Hex's kingdom. As much as it pains him, he gave the place over to the membership for their enjoyment.

This place does not need to be moderated by a few guys who make the decisions about what's appropriate or not - it's member moderated. That means the membership as a whole, as opposed to a few individuals. set the tone for what's acceptable and what's not acceptable within the community. Very democratic, you might say...

Boy - there's advantages and disadavantages to being member moderated. One of the BIG disadvantages we've just lived through. But the beauty of it? We're still here - and people are having cigar discussions. And I believe we're stronger because of it.

One of the advantages, though, is we're having open discussions in the community about how members should be acting. Is it painful? Hell yes, it's painful. People say and do things that can be pretty damaging to reputations through the process. That'll teach you, though! Betcha won't do that again (at least you would believe they wouldn't be so foolish as to do that again).

Wouldn't it have been easier for a moderator to make the decision to pull the pin at the first sign of trouble? Sid - Gone. CC - Gone. Shelby - Gone. Then what? You want to talk painful community wide? Start arbitrarily banning members. Kinda like Club Stogie and HCF. That'll do wonders for your reputation...

Bottom line - if you really can't get along well with others (aside from occasional dust-ups), are ego driven, want to gouge members, want to steal from the community, want to come in for the sole purpose of causing trouble (or any combination thereof) it's probably a good time to move on...

...or you WILL get your ass handed to you...



BTW - there will be no CARTHAGO DELENDA EST around here... For those of you who don't know what that means, you've not been around long enough. But stick around - you'll learn. For those of you who do know what it means - we've just seen a repeat of the same shenanigans. Didn't work then - won't work now.

Exactly. Scroto set the mold, and since then, asshats have been run off quite nicely and this board has remained member-run and unmoderated. Very nicely put George, it seems we are thinking alike as I was typing my response the same time you were typing yours.

[Dickson]

Holy Sweet Mother Of Easter!!!! What the hell did I miss the past few days?? Browsing some of the "HATE" threads (for lack of a better word) maybe I'm glad I missed it.

THIS thread and the links contained within are the exact reason why I don't spend a whole lot of time here any more, and usually when I do read / post something, it's cigar related, which is (IMHO) the exact reason Miguel created the board in the first place. It's also the same reason most of us joined the board, and ALSO, the God Damned reason many Moderated Boards ban Political debates. Looking what goes on here, maybe that isn't such a bad idea.

You know guys (and gals That's you Cin, couldn't leave out the board's Smoke Free Sweetie Pie!! ), politics and related hatred on this board has caused issues similar to the bullshit that's been going on in Ireland for decades & centuries. It get's to the point where nobody ever remembers what they're fighting about any more!!!!

Does anyone here really want to see anyone leave?? If you take the bullshit political feelings out of it, no!! We're all Brothers Of The Leaf hare, but we seem to forget that when it comes down to all your God Damned asswipe bullshit trolling arguements over fuck all.

Do I agree with everyone here on all viewpoints?? No!! Will I ever?? No. Not about cigars, politics, or hockey or any thing else. But that's one of the interesting things about life, we're all different.

Do I like all the jokes and trolling that goes on here?? No, much of it is funny to someone or another, but we don't all have to like it. It's like Porn on TV. If you don't like it, change the friggin' channel. If you don't like the subject of a thread, "THEN IGNORE THE THREAD, WHY START BULLSHIT".

As the Eagles said .......... "Get Over It!!!" Get back to smoking and talking cigars.

Shelby, stick around dude, hopefully it'll change back to a Community where we can do what the Board was intended for.

Sid - Same goes for you. I enjoyed the time we met & HERFed in Buffalo with Dan, and would surely hope to do it again sometime. Do I like or agree with all the stuff you post?? No, and I think some of it is provoking someone else, but I stay out of it.

George and Sarge make a bunch of points on several posts that are chock full of wisdom. Might be great if some others read & heeded 'em.

Bill - Do I like all the stuff you post either trying to start something, or in retalation to someone trying to get inside your guts?? No, but as above, if I don't like it, I don't read it. I stay away. I ignore the thread. (You see a pattern here??)

Everyone mentioned above is, and can be, a great BOTL. Most of you have probably given away more cigars that I will see in my life. That's one of the things that makes you all "Brothers Of The Leaf". It's Politics and utter bullshit that's ripping the very heart out of this, Hex's beloved project.

Last statement:

People, for fuck sakes give it up. Cut the bullshit and get back to smoking something decent.

Peace!!!!

I agree with everything except moderators and people allowing themselves to be run off by the bullshit. We need to stand together as BOTL's and as Hex created. Moderate the members of the board. If we choose not to come around then the BSers win. If we choose to moderate, everyone wins. Smokers draw one. Me, I'm going to go smoke a COHIBA ROBUSTO from ISOM.

[The Korean]

BTW - there will be no CARTHAGO DELENDA EST around here... For those of you who don't know what that means, you've not been around long enough. But stick around - you'll learn.

You put that in there for me didn't you......

This post is meant to be a joke, not some diatribe (Ha, and you all thought I was uneducatable). Again, take this as a joke.

[ashauler]

You put that in there for me didn't you......

This post is meant to be a joke, not some diatribe (Ha, and you all thought I was uneducatable). Again, take this as a joke.

Are you a Korean Roman.......or a Roman Korean?

[ggiese]

You put that in there for me didn't you......

This post is meant to be a joke, not some diatribe (Ha, and you all thought I was uneducatable). Again, take this as a joke.

No... But now that you mention it...

[dHUTCH]

[kevin7]

I disagree,if you fuck up then lets do battle out in the open ,fight until their is a winner not a truce. If you lose then sak up and be a man or fucking slither off never to be seen again. I've fucked up before but most of you don't know where and when. I saw the error of my ways and learned from it. George and Bill prolly know what I am speaking about.


I know some of you are young and idealistic ,that's cool. I am middle aged and cynical of most things that are accepted in todays society. I know some of you have safe secure jobs in a controlled indoor enviroment. I don't have that luxury,I work a job that everyday could cost me my life by not paying attention to what I am doing so I am kinda loud and proud in real life somewhat. I know some of you are Law Enfoercement Officers and you have my respect also. We just suffered ther loss of 2 Charlotte Oficers,murdered by a useless piece of shit that should have been sumirarly executed upon arrest

Some of us know each other in real life and have smoked it up on occasion .

What I am yammering on about is basically that these disputes are disruptive but are a part of life,here and real life

[CoventryCat86]

I disagree, if you fuck up then lets do battle out in the open, fight until there is a winner not a truce. If you lose then sak up and be a man or fucking slither off never to be seen again. I've fucked up before but most of you don't know where and when. I saw the error of my ways and learned from it. George and Bill prolly know what I am speaking about.


I know some of you are young and idealistic ,that's cool. I am middle aged and cynical of most things that are accepted in todays society. I know some of you have safe secure jobs in a controlled indoor enviroment. I don't have that luxury,I work a job that everyday could cost me my life by not paying attention to what I am doing so I am kinda loud and proud in real life somewhat. I know some of you are Law Enfoercement Officers and you have my respect also. We just suffered ther loss of 2 Charlotte Oficers,murdered by a useless piece of shit that should have been sumirarly executed upon arrest

Some of us know each other in real life and have smoked it up on occasion .

What I am yammering on about is basically that these disputes are disruptive but are a part of life,here and real life

I agree with Kevin and disagree with the bulk of what Newfie posted.

This "We're all BOTLs" is a load of crap. Just because someone signs up here and says they like cigars DOES NOT MEAN that they get to run around here like an asshat just because they are a "BOTL."

If someone does something here that is objectionable, members are going to say something about it and it's just too damned bad if some of you find it too unpleasant for your liking. If you want a cigar board where everyone talks all nicey-nice and the phony asshats like Scroto just pollute those places with their blather, misinformation and leg humping and blow sunshine up each other's backsides all day then by all means, go to CigarWeakly, ClubStogie or Eric Turner's cesspool of a site StogieChat.

We also don't need 25 year old know it all "life coaches" who think they're just a little bit better than everyone else around here. Ask Scroto about how well that all worked out for him Cabaigan Juan...

So Newfie according to your logic, it's okay for people to " up" and never apologize for it, correct?

Well here's where you and I absolutely, positively, disagree.

Wait until sid turns on you someday, then you'll know exactly where many of us are coming from.

You may think it's all "bullshit" but quite frankly, I'm offended at your minimialization of what MANY other members feel is something meaningful and siginificant here so sorry, just because you scream "OK enough bullshit" it ain't gonna happen so deal with it.

[Dickson]

Bill,

I think you need to switch to a more full bodied gar. Smoke it with some moonshine. Trust me!!!!!

[CoventryCat86]

Bill,

I think you need to switch to a more full bodied gar. Smoke it with some moonshine. Trust me!!!!!

I just smoked a '98 BGC paired with four fingers of Glenfiddich 21yo and I still feel the same way.

[Dickson]

What's a 98 BGC?