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    Good luck finding it anywhere in the mainstream press...

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,220341,00.html

    New Research Adds Twist to Global Warming Debate

    Thursday , October 12, 2006

    By Steven Milloy


    A new study provides experimental evidence that cosmic rays may be a major factor in causing the Earth’s climate to change.

    Given the stakes in the current debate over global warming, the research may very well turn out to be one of the most important climate experiments of our time – if only the media would report the story.

    Ten years ago, Danish researchers Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen first hypothesized that cosmic rays from space influence the Earth’s climate by effecting cloud formation in the lower atmosphere. Their hypothesis was based on a strong correlation between levels of cosmic radiation and cloud cover – that is, the greater the cosmic radiation, the greater the cloud cover. Clouds cool the Earth’s climate by reflecting about 20 percent of incoming solar radiation back into space.

    The hypothesis was potentially significant because during the 20th century, the influx of cosmic rays was reduced by a doubling of the sun’s magnetic field which shields the Earth from cosmic rays. According to the hypothesis, then, less cosmic radiation would mean less cloud formation and, ultimately, warmer temperatures – precisely what was observed during the 20th century.

    If correct, the Svensmark hypothesis poses a serious challenge to the current global warming alarmism that attributes the 20th century’s warmer temperatures to manmade emissions of greenhouse gases.

    Just last week, Svensmark and other researchers from the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish National Space Centre published a paper in the Proceedings of the Royal Society A – the mathematical, physical sciences and engineering journal of the venerable Royal Society of London – announcing that they had experimentally verified the physical mechanism by which cosmic rays affect cloud cover.

    In the experiment, cosmic radiation was passed through a large reaction chamber containing a mixture of lower atmospheric gases at realistic concentrations that was exposed to ultraviolet radiation from lamps that mimic the action of the sun’s rays. Instruments traced the chemical action of the penetrating cosmic rays in the reaction chamber.[Click here for more details about Svensmark’s hypothesis and experiment, including high-quality animation].

    The data collected indicate that the electrons released by the cosmic rays acted as catalysts to accelerate the formation of stable clusters of sulfuric acid and water molecules – the building blocks for clouds.

    “Many climate scientists have considered the linkages from cosmic rays to clouds as unproven,” said Friis-Christensen who is the director of the Danish National Space Centre. “Some said there was no conceivable way in which cosmic rays could influence cloud cover. [This] experiment now shows they do so, and should help to put the cosmic ray connection firmly onto the agenda of international climate research,” he added.

    But given the potential significance of Svensmark’s experimentally validated hypothesis, it merits more than just a place on the agenda of international climate research – it should be at the very top of that agenda.

    Low-level clouds cover more than a quarter of the Earth’s surface and exert a strong cooling effect. Observational data indicate that low-cloud cover can vary as much as 2 percent in 5 years which, in turn, varies the heating at the Earth’s surface by as much as 1.2 watts per square meter during that same period.

    “That figure can be compared with about 1.4 watts per square meter estimated by the [United Nations’] Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for the greenhouse effect of all the increase in carbon dioxide in the air since the Industrial Revolution,” says Svensmark.

    That is, cloud cover changes over a 5-year period can have 85 percent of the temperature effect on the Earth that has been claimed to have been caused by nearly 200 years of manmade carbon dioxide emissions. The temperature effects of cloud cover during the 20th century could be as much as 7 times greater than the alleged temperature effect of 200 years worth of additional carbon dioxide and several times greater than that of all additional greenhouse gases combined.

    So although it has been taken for granted by global warming alarmists that human activity has caused the climate to warm, Svensmark’s study strongly challenges this assumption.

    Given that the cosmic ray effect described by Svensmark would be more than sufficient to account for the net estimated temperature change since the Industrial Revolution, the key question becomes: Has human activity actually warmed, cooled or had no net impact on the planet?

    Between manmade greenhouse gas emissions, land use patterns and air pollution, humans may have had a net impact on global temperature. But if so, no one yet knows the net sign (that is, plus/minus) of that impact.

    Not surprisingly, Svensmark’s potentially myth-shattering study has so far been largely ignored by the media. Though published in the prestigious Proceedings of the Royal Society A, it’s only been reported – and briefly at that – in The New Scientist (Oct. 7), Space Daily (Oct. 6) and the Daily Express (U.K., Oct. 6).

    The media’s lack of interest hardly reflects upon the importance of Svensmark’s experiment so much as it reflects upon the media’s and global warming lobby’s excessive investment in greenhouse gas hysteria.
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    Global warming is horseshit ,just like saying Indians are native. Bullshit
    The older I get ,the better I was

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    Global warming is horseshit ,just like saying Indians are native. Bullshit
    Yep, I agree. The earth has gone through warming and cooling periods that are simply beyond our control. We may influence them, yes, but not so much that we are causing them. I believe that scientists have also said that volcanoes can affect the atmosphere, expecially major eruptions, far more than years and years of all mans efforts put together.

    Plus it really bothers me when people call American Indians "Native Americans". What a bunch of horseshit. I'm a fucking native American, so are my mom and dad and several generations before them.

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    Sweet,I'm telling my old lady to bust out the aqua-net and reclaim the "Blair from the facts of life" hair-do. Puffy high and crusty. I remember in High school not being able to run my fingers throw girls hair because of that crap.

    And when we are done we can just throw the can out the window. Seems like the ol' crying indian doesn't have much to cry about now that its not his land anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin7 View Post
    Global warming is horseshit ,just like saying Indians are native. Bullshit
    I couldnt agree more.I mean,they cant predict the weather accurately for the next week,but they know what it will be like in 50 yrs?Yeah,right.The global warming freaks of today are the ice age freaks of 30 yrs ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudpipes78 View Post
    Good luck finding it anywhere in the mainstream press...

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,220341,00.html
    The reason it's not in the mainstream press, and only mentioned by fox which we all know isn't mainstream, is because it's not a tested, reviewed theory. Those "mainstream scientists who have looked it over, have found it wrought with errors.

    Nice try, but real science won't be found or reported on by fox.

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    LMAO

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    Whatever, DVM is wrong, Fox is wrong. It's them damned indians (dots, not feathers) and their love of the cow. Cattle produce so much damned methane, that's the cause. If only we could convert it to a stable, non-smelly source of energy
    "If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair." -C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMacFU View Post
    Whatever, DVM is wrong, Fox is wrong. It's them damned indians (dots, not feathers) and their love of the cow. Cattle produce so much damned methane, that's the cause. If only we could convert it to a stable, non-smelly source of energy
    I say we just kill all the cows. If the damn Indians don't like it, kill all of them too.

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    Al Gore is the cause of global warming...Every red blooded repug knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cigarsarge View Post
    Al Gore is the cause of global warming...Every red blooded repug knows that.
    But at least he gave us the internet to make up for it.

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    yes here is the britsh movie with the above solar thingy in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4boaEbtjByU
    The end is here. or very soon
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    I agree that the contention that man made debri is causing the changes we see in weather patterns to be shaky at best. A major reason we have the academic world reporting findings that this and that are caused by so and so chemicals is that the powers that control whether a study is given grant money have an agenda that includes using "global warming" scare tactics to sway public opinion towards closing off acres and acres of wilderness from development. The whys and hows are a bit controversial, so I'll leave them off this forum, but it's interesting to note that green terrorist groups are essentially sponsored by the government.

    I remember hearing about this one head of green peace I think it was, that was caught and arrested for attempting to sabotage a nuclear silo in the name of saving the ecology of the earth. He was released with no further attempts at reprimand. A nuclear silo! That is conspiracy against the national security of the USA.

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    I heard a report that claimed all the pollution man has ever pumped into to atmosphere is nothing compared to Mt St Helens eruption ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgmark2 View Post
    yes here is the britsh movie with the above solar thingy in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4boaEbtjByU
    I think you need to just stay out of this forum. Politics bad, cigars good. We're trying to get away from the endless political debates here.
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    I heard a report that claimed all the pollution man has ever pumped into to atmosphere is nothing compared to Mt St Helens eruption ?
    Still doesnt mean what man has done is a good thing. Pollution is pollution, Cant be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPB View Post
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    Pollution is pollution, Cant be a good thing.


    thread pollution is making a server somewhere cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPB View Post
    I heard a report that claimed all ........ Cant be a good thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by HersheyWalker View Post
    I agree that the contention that man made debri i..........security of the USA.
    Quote Originally Posted by bgmark2 View Post
    yes here is the britsh movie with the above solar thingy in it
    Could you three please, please, please (one for each of you) heed the advice below and just shut the fuck up? Go write a review, or ask a goddamn question about mold or anything...just please stay the fuck out of the politics section!

    Quote Originally Posted by prophetic_joe View Post
    I think you need to just stay out of this forum. Politics bad, cigars good. We're trying to get away from the endless political debates here.

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    DOH!
    Sorry I thought this was the place for debate.
    Obviously not.
    Debating on the internet is like the special Olympics...Even if you win you still look like a retard.
    Last edited by DPB; 05-22-2007 at 08:44 AM.

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