Then your expectations are obviously out of whack, friend. Good riddance? Am I going somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
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Then your expectations are obviously out of whack, friend. Good riddance? Am I going somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Surely if I KNEW they were authentic Cohiba Esplendidos I would gladly pony up and pay the $200. I'll do you one better -- if I like them but doubt their authenticity, I'll still buy the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Surely you understand where we are coming from by now. We don't take kindly to folks just dropping in and trying to sell goods that they now admit are as likely to be counterfeits as they are to be authentic.
I've smoked my fair share of legit Cubans, could I pick a real and a fake in a blind taste test? -- well, I guess that depends on how bad the fake is... I'll give the stick an honest once over and post my opinion here for all to see. Like it or not, my contention that it is more likely than not that they aren't authentic is still proper.
Just so I can properly asses the cigar -- when was it acquired? Has it been properly stored?
Just a suggestion, maybe you ought to drop the attitude.:smiley2:Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
I'll take your bet, how much are you going to bet me that "many" can't tell the difference between a real and a fake? Just about anyone who has smoked Cuban cigars before can immediately tell the difference between real Cuban cigars and fake Cuban cigars.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
As you just admitted, you don't know what you're talking about anyway so why do you continue to act like such an asshole?
Actually EGQ is an established and respected member of this forum. I think that you should actually send him a cigar and let him determine the authenticity of the sticks. If not, fuck off. As everyone has said, Craigslist was made for shit like this. You'll probably get $500 for them on there!
The cigars were acquired by me in early October and have been stored in the boxes since then. I am currently trying to post more pictures, but I am getting errors while trying to upload. I have taken 15 pictures more of the cigars with the certificate of authenticity and serial number. Now the certificate of authenticity could be fake too, who knows, but hopefully you will be able to tell right off hand when you light it up. I trust they are legit as the presentation in the box and the certificate of authenticity seems like it would have taken a lot of effort to fabricate. Your package has been sent to the nearest post office for shipment and I will PM you a delivery confirmation number when it is sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGQ
I understand people don't take kindly to somebody just dropping by to sell some cigars on this forum dedicated to cigar smokers; however, I thought about selling them on ebay and craigslist but thought it would first be best to try on a forum of people dedicated to the hobby. I figured I could get a better price here and deal with people more appreciative of the merchandise for sale. Apparently, I was wrong in my assumption and I probably would have done best just to sell them on Ebay or Craigslist to begin with. At least there I wouldn't have had to put up with all the bad attitudes.
I have uploaded more pictures for all to peruse.
http://picasaweb.google.com/webworm1...Ga7qfG_vmDrwE#
So it appears you are trying to fuck people that know their stuff and become a whinny bitch when they resist the fucking. You are a nibblet...A niblett being that tiny turd that spins around the toilet bowl refusing to be flushed no matter how many times the handle is pulled.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Hey! I don't see any tiger costumes, unicycles, or pictures of Kirstie in any of your photos!Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Can't read the fake serial number there nibbletapeworm. Is there a code stamped on the box somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
I am not whining, I am simply refuting claims that I am 1) selling Counterfeit cigars 2) not in posession of the cigars 3) or that I am trying to swindle anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarsarge
I assume your perception that I am trying to swindle forum members is based on your evaluation of the pictures where you have in fact determined these are counterfeit?
Are you an expert on Cohibas? If so, enlighten us with your expert opinon as to what in particular in the picture is inauthentic compared to how genuine Cohibas are packaged.
As I have stated previously, the cigars pictured were sold to me as Cohiba Esplendidos in Cuba. Even if they were inauthentic, I am asking a fair price and if they are genuwine, whoever ends up buying them is getting a heck of a deal.
Look closer at another picture. I am sure if you try a little harder you can read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
Why don't you just type it out in a post? Certainly you can't be that lazy. And is there a code stamped somewhere on the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
JQ 100497
I don't see a code on the box just by looking at it on the top layer. I do not want to handle any of the cigars on the bottom layer so I don't know if there is one under there or not.
I would guess there is not a code on the box as they are sealed with the certificate inside which has the code.
OK niblett...You state you have no knowledge of cigars in any form of fashion. That makes my opinion much more credible. I've smoked cigars for 20 years. During my time in cigars I've heard your story thousands of times. Nobody gets real Cuban cigars from a cousin or friend that just happens to have a contact that can acquire Cohibas.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
You got fucked and are trying to pass the fucking to us...
Just who are you...I'm getting the feeling you might not be who you say you are. Guess an IP check is in order.
Hmm, maybe it's stamped on the bottom of the box. How the heck did you manage to get that seal off the opened box so perfectly?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Okay, since you have smoked for twenty years, what about the box and presentation shows they are fake? Enlighten me with your knowledge. I didn't get swindled by my cousin, as I didn't pay very much for these because I acquired them in the country of origin. Even if I had paid $200 for them myself and they were fake, it would still be a good deal for 25 cigars that came from Cuba. Check my IP all you want. I am who I say I am. Simply a person with family in Cuba who acquired these cigars and is trying to sell them on this forum for a reasonable price. If you don't want them, your loss will be somebody else's gain and you can keep smoking your inferior quality cigars. Fine by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarsarge
On the bottom of the box, it has a symbol that looks like a CCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
Below that is says AGOS 10 which I assume means August 2010 but I could be wrong.
In the last picture, you can clearly see that the 2 cigars on the left are not even close to the same length. No way in hell would that have made it past QC. Now, make like a tree and get the fuck out.
If you send a free one to ashauler, cigarsarge, CoventryCat, and ggiese with a fancy leather Cohiba cigar holder each and they smoke them and say that they are real then I'll buy the box off you.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Call my bluff?
-Buzz
Boy, that kinda helps, any way you could put up a photo of the bottom of the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
C'mon brother, nibletapeworm is trying to be helpful now. The photo's are certainly swaying my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eville
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Originally Posted by webworm13
You do not get legitimate Cuban cigars at deal prices in Cuba...Do you have any clue how much a real Esplenditos costs? Nobody here is gonna purchase a fake Cuban cigar.
Tell you what...Sacrifice one of the cigars. Take a razor blade and cut along the length of the wrapper. Unroll the tobacco and post a pic of the tobacco inside. Photograph the head of the cigar...Post a pic. Photograph the foot of the cigar...Post a pic.
How did you legally get Cuban cigars into the country? Are you a diplomat? Was your trip to Cuba sanctioned by the US government? Travel there is pretty much forbidden. Show us the paperwork the government issued you to import these cigars. Did you know you committed a crime in Cuba by undermining their tax system? Did you know the Cuban government issues a receipt for cigars purchased on the island. Do you know you are committing a crime by importing illegal items from Cuba? We have a trade embargo on them. Do you know you are committing a crime by trying to sell contraband here? Did you know you possibly have put your cousin in legal trouble in Cuba by acquiring cigars that did not go through proper channels there?
You are a fucktard...An ignorant one at that.
Easy guys -- I'm gonna be hella-pissed if I don't get my free Fauxhiba.
Wow that should take the pop out of your tent!Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarsarge
Having looked at the pictures, I am even more confident that these are in fact counterfeits -- but I will reserve my final judgment until the cigar has arrived.
Take a look at this website -- in particular the "Additional Helpful Tips" towards the bottom. http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/counterfeit/
How many of those sound remarkably similar to what has been said/posted in this thread? I don't know you -- you may be the most honest and truthful person on the planet -- but I can't asses your veracity because I DON'T KNOW YOU. You clearly have your doubts about whether they are legit, so it shouldn't surprise you that we do as well.
The more I look at what is on the linked page, the more I chuckle -- take special note of items 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10 under "Additional Helpful Tips" -- its like it was written in response to this thread...
The only reason one of the cigars looked shorter is because it might have been up towards the top of the box when I took the pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eville
Sorry, I cannot send anymore for free but if some of you guys lived nearby, I wouldn't mind sharing some of these and maybe smoking one with you all. It would be my first to smoke and maybe we could share our impressions.
I will work on getting a picture of the bottom of the box posted.
I live nearby.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
-Buzz
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Originally Posted by cigarsarge
Thanks for a run down of the laws pertaining to Cuban cigars and Cuban travel. I have family there and can travel at will to visit them. Had you paid attention to my initial post, you maybe would have read the reason I went there in the first place. My father passed away, and I had to go spread his ashes, as that was his last request. Maybe you should read up a little more regarding the laws on travel to Cuba before you start advising others of the rules and regulations. I can't stand people who speak authoritatively on a subject they know nothing of. You would be surprised at how people get things in Cuba. Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home. I don't know if these cigars are like that or not, but that is for all of you "experts" to decide. It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality. No crime has been committed here my friend so don't get all legal eagle on me.
I WILL NOT sacrifice another cigar, as I am already sending one to EGQ to sample. Furthermore, with all of the bad attitudes on this forum, I am not inclined to cut open a cigar. Had the reception been different from the start, I might have. However, I am appalled and surprised at some of the language and attitudes by some taken on this thread. Seriously, I thought cigar smokers would have more class than this.
Really, I have a good mind to cancel everything on this forum if you are going to get into all the legalese of Cuban cigars. I am already getting ripped off as is obvious by only selling them for $200. I have been advised by people outside this forum that I can get much more. I thought people like yourself wouldn't be so uptight about the laws governing cigars and just wanted to enjoy some of the best cigars in the world from the greatest cigar producing country, but if you are going to start listing all of the laws, than we can all forget about Cohiba's. That is, all except EGQ, who got lucky and will be able to enjoy one for free. Obviously, your passion is not cigars, but international law.
I don't feel the need to discuss who I am, if I am a diplomat, etc... as all that information is extraneous to the discussion of the item at hand. So, if you want to perform an investigation, go to a criminal justice discussion forum.
No, I don't know how much genuine Esplendidos sell for. How much? You may convince me to raise my price on the next person I find that is interested.
Also, taxes were paid on these cigars and everything was done legally. I think I had said this previously.
Here is a link of the photo of the bottom of the box.
http://picasaweb.google.com/webworm1...53387114165538
Just because the cigars are in a "sealed box" does not mean they are not of questionable quality. Bad argument, sparky... :smiley2:Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Just because you think I know nothing of what I speak - does not mean that I know nothing of what I speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Having been around the block a few times, I can tell you that "Most cigars as well as other goods in Cuba are obtained by friends or family members or someone who knows someone else" equates to counterfeit cigars.
I suppose one could make the argument that they the cigars you possess are "Cuban" - they could be. But what you have in your possession are as much real Cohiba's as the Rolex watches sold on the streets of Kingston, Jamaica. :smiley4:
And those Cohiba's you possess are as likely authentic as the gold jewelry they sell "on the word" of the street vendors in downtown Chicago. :smiley36:Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
So you cannot attest to the fact that the cigars are authentic - other than to say that you "assume" your relative would not sell you anything other than what is real. You know what they say about "ASS-U-ME", don't you??? :smiley5:Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
...and you'd be better off peddling your fake cigars on Craig's list. :smiley20:Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
We're just sayin'... :smiley37:
Nice use of smileys George! :smiley20:
-Buzz
Does your ignorance have no bounds? Seriously, tapeworm - I wouldn't take that bet if I were you.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
Prove it. Show me where a legal method of bringing Cuban cigars into the United States is described on any Official United States Government (State Department, OFAC, CBP) web site.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
I've grown bored with this thread...
I think you are wrong about the legalities, but hey, you must be part Cuban, so you should know. Also, since you're part Cuban, you must know that Esplendidos manufactured at home from pilfered tobacco smuggled out of a factory God only knows how (what the fuck did I just agree to test?) are of the same quality as those manufactured at the factory and sold legitimately. Do you really not see the flaws in your statements or the problem with trying to sell these cigars as authentic Esplendidos?
Please calm down niblett...Don't pull your sale due to my ignorance. :smiley2: By the way...The corresponding authorities have taken notice of your sale.
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Originally Posted by webworm13
"Many of the counterfeit cigars are made by people who work in the factory who steal the leaves and tobacco and simply roll them at home."
...and band them with a fake "Cohiba" band to make them attractive to others that would not otherwise buy them. :smiley2:
"It certainly doesn't mean they are of inferior quality."
...and you accuse this community of being ignorant... :smiley36:
Please don't yank the sale Ms. Otero. And buzz wasn't kidding, he is kinda close to you.
Becky (aka tapeworm) - would you please throw in a hair cut if I buy some of those cigars? :smiley4:
Everything written here is interesting...You say people steal cigar leaves and roll em at home. But you say nothing has been illegal in this transaction. Please take notice that Cuban Americans can bring back Cuban cigars if the domestic value is less than $100. You are also prohibited from selling them. They must be for personal use. Your travel license to Cuba can be revoked and criminal proceedings can be undertaken for your sale. You obviously don't give a crap about ever visiting your family there again...You are apparently a low life.Quote:
Originally Posted by webworm13
I don't understand why it is not up to us to decide if the cigars are fake or not...You are trying to sell them to us. Nobody wants to buy fake Cuban cigars on this board.
Please niblett...Think before you post.
Bet if Ms. Becky unraveled one of em you'd find a cunt hair...Rolled on the thighs of virgins and all. :smiley3:Quote:
Originally Posted by ggiese
You fellas know you're arguing with a bowling ball, right?
Doc.