No, I would think it's his perception, not his imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
You're not really trying to tell jiveturkey why he feels as he does are you?
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No, I would think it's his perception, not his imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
You're not really trying to tell jiveturkey why he feels as he does are you?
Weren't we talking about meth lighters & paraphernalia?
--I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
--This is the statement I was refuting. All I was saying is the costs of owning a car are not imagined and they're huge compared to our resident dirty hippie riding his bike everywhere :smiley4:. I wasn't saying a car is cheap compared to a mortgage payment or property taxes or heating oil. I was saying a bike is cheap compared to a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by badwhale
Sorry for going off on a tangent.
:smiley3:Quote:
Two members of the Corvallis city council are members of the Green Party.[
Hell, even in ultra-liberal Connecticut, we're not that far off the deep end. I live one town over from the "Corvallis" of Connecticut otherwise known as "Storrs" the section of the town of Mansfield where UCONN is located. Mansfield is the most ultra left wing town in the entire eastern half of Connecticut and there aren't any Green Party people on the Town Council there. Storrs' population is only about 1/3 of Corvallis so even the libs can't get away without owning cars.
I guess the average Corvallis mind-set is simply one I just can't relate to........
I think you've hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I'm sure I can't relate to lots of folks on certain things on this or any other board. I stick around because there's at least one thing I CAN relate to: enjoying cigars.
Well maybe but consider this:Quote:
Originally Posted by JiveTurkey
"Mr. CoventryCat why do you live in the country?"
Real answer: "Because I like the peace and quiet and I have a sentimental attachment to the property that's been in my family for generations!"
Fake, right-wing, tea party, Montana Freemen inspired political answer: "Because I have to freedom to do what I want, when I want free from most government intervention, bureaucracy, red tape, bloated budgets and mismanagement that are typical of poorly run urban areas where they rob from the rich, give to the poor and to hell with us red-blooded American taxpayers. Cities allow the leaches, drug abusers and alcoholics to game the system and get a free ride on the honest people's backs. Cities are CORRUPT I say, CORRUPT and criminal enterprises with graft, payoffs for political cronies and hacks! And you know, living is cities is super expensive even if you own your own place!"
Since I've never lived in a city, I'm full-o-crap with that whole stinking pile of garbage because it's only based on a wrong perception and of how I want others to view living in cities, not on any real facts or anything like that.
Ya see where I'm going with this?
Its still fucking cool Turkey.
I wish my car only cost me $1,300 per year...
Me too. I guess I'm just not doing it correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggiese
No, you're doing it smart for your situation. If I could afford it, I'd drive a Rolls Royce and so would my wife, I'd never pick up another tool in my life and pay the Rolls Royce dealership $1,000.00 per hour to do my oil changes but I don't live on Fantasy Island.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
Where'd jive go? Must be down at the "Occupy Corvallias" camp in the center of town.:smiley4:
lol here is the Occupy Calgary camp video I got yesterday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKik9FRjn4k
I'm sure you could sell a boat full of $2 torch lighters at this camp.
I agree with you. And you've still got an argument back?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
Yes, we have different mindsets, which come from a variety of sources. You value your car, I don't value them. We make decisions that espouse those values. You choose the way you live your life, and I choose the way I want to live mine. I'm not trying to tell you how to live here, just letting folks know how I live mine.
It's not a matter of different mindsets or whether or not you and I "value" cars or not. In my case and in the case of just about everyone else in North America, a car is a necessity. You're lucky you live in a large college town where you can easily get by without one, the other 99.999% of us aren't so lucky. And I agree with the others, that's a cool situation you're in where you can live easily and happily without owning a car, I say great for you!:smiley20:Quote:
Originally Posted by JiveTurkey
My point is that your statement that cars are "super expensive, even if the car is paid off" is kind of ridiculous. That's not a matter of you "just letting folks know how I live mine" it's a matter of you making a pretty stupid statement. And then you said this: "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" like it's a fact which it definitely is not, that's your opinion. Outside of your college town utopia where cars are almost not necessary, many arguments can be successfully made that NOT owning a car is more expensive than owning one because the alternatives are many times more expensive.
LOL!:smiley36: Nice video Roham, next time turn the camera on yourself once or twice so we can see your good-looking, smiling face.:smiley16:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roham
Okay, I'll qualify that it in MY situation it is super expensive to own a car even one paid off (my opinion) and it is more expensive owning a car than not (fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I don't own a Rolls Royce, and it STILL costs me a fortune to support my car. Way more than $1,300 a year. It costs me more than my cable bill (even with all three service combined)...Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I wish I had the intestinal fortitude to swear off my car and ride around on a bicycle - it would be really good for the environment, my pocket book as well as my waistline!
Good on you, JiveTurkey!
JiveTurkey, I wish I would have sent you a PM. :smiley5: Sorry. I asked because I was genuinely interested, and I appreciate your response. I'm sorry you're getting shit on for it. :smiley21:Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I don't think it's a ridiculous or stupid statement at all. Statements like that are relative to ones situation. What's ridiculous is the $1300/yr operating costs for a vehicle, paid off or not. In my experience, that's woefully understated.
I'm not smart enough to understand how NOT owning a car can be more expensive than owning one. You've completely lost me on that one. A bus pass for unlimited rides for a year, where I live is $1080, or $90/month. Again, I spend more than that just for fuel, no mention of legally required insurance (no, I don't get the fancy collision and comprehensive coverage either), maintenance, taxes, tags, etc.....so from where I sit "but it is more expensive to own a car than not" would be a fact. No? Help me understand how it's not please. I am, after all, a simple country boy.
It's also pretty goddamn ridiculous, imo, to basically call someone stupid and ridiculous and start throwing around irrelevant bullshit about the occupy the crack of my ass people as a way to further ridicule someones beliefs that you don't agree with. What a load of nonsense, imo, of course. :smiley2: I'm certainly not above taking shots at asshats/mooches/trolls/thiefs, but none of that applies here, again, imo.
Going green has advantages to the forward looking person. Growing your own food, solar power for your house, providing your own means of transportation forgoing the oil companies, has definate financial advantages as well as making the earth more livable. The wife and I are making serious strides in becomming more non dependant on "the system". I don't see myself being able to get rid of my cars. That is not practical for me at this. I can cut back on gas consumption. I do grow a good part of my food and get quite a bit from a food co-op we belong to. A few of us are about to slaughter a cow that was free range fed.
My wife and I are looking at solar power seriously. I have a friend that uses it...So far without a flaw.
Sarge ,we have about 5 families on solar power here and the excess is bought by our electric co op at wholesale rates. It was a big expense up front to the customer but out co op fully supports solar and wind generation. Look into it
We've been looking into adding solar as well. Doing some preliminary research, the wife found these http://www.dowsolar.com/ which I think would be a cool way to go when they become more widely available. Supposedly, they will be better at withstanding damage from wind, hail, etc. The wife likes that they blend in a bit better than the big panels mounted on your roof.
Could be Canadian, but definitely NOT Calgarian! :smiley36::smiley17:Quote:
Originally Posted by craig
Calgary being the exception that proves the rule. :-)
Kevin, how does that work? The selling back part. How is the excess power metered?Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin7
What, you wanna get Kevin shit on too now??? lol just joking:smiley36:Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
I did NOT call him "stupid" or "ridiculous" there's a difference. I'm not going to go back and play the littleQuote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
but go back and read exactly what I said because it isn't what you claim it was. I know you're smart enough to know the difference so you can cut the $hit anytime now.Quote:
quote game
We don't have "bus passes" in my area because THERE ARE NO BUSES. How many parts of North America do you really think have bus routes where you can buy a bus pass? The reality either way you want to cut it (percentage of population served by public buses or percentage of land area served by public buses) it's incredibly small. The only option would be paying a taxi or livery service and that Jamie would cost more than all costs associated with automobile ownership more often than not so yeah, if you don't have public transportation available to you then it almost certainly costs more to not own a car than to own one if you have to rely on hiring private transportation to bring you to your job and to get even little insignificant things like food.
And I didn't "start throwing around irrelevant bullshit about the occupy the crack of my ass people as a way to further ridicule someones beliefs that you don't agree with" you asswipe, my issue was with the STATEMENTS he made, not his "beliefs" so once again knock it off, I honestly can't believe you're being such a dickhead.
Okay, that's very different then what you said the first time and now you're 100% correct.:smiley20:Quote:
Originally Posted by JiveTurkey
With 4 kids I can't go without a car but if I didn't have kids and lived in an area (like NY city) I'd probably skip the car myself.
We have some special meters that read forward (normal) power flow and reverse(u selling to us) flow. We are about .10 a kWh retail and we pay people about .06 a kWh(wholesale) for the excess solar power they sell to us. Meters are read over the powerline and solar customers are paid every 3 months. Its not gonna make you rich or anything but it is pretty cool and if you have enough panels you can generate a pretty significant amount of power. We currently have a customer thinking about installing a wind turbine. We will buy his excess power too if he has any. The transformer that feeds a residential customer works both ways,put high voltage in it (ours is 12,470 phase to phase /7,200 phase to ground) and you get 120/240 volts out of it. Put 240 in it and you will get 7,200 volts out of it. If you hook up an emergency generator up in an outage without disconnecting from the grid it will put out deadly voltage and sufficient amps to kill anybody touching a downed power line,linemen die because of this every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
Cool. :smiley20:Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I totally get the infrastructure isn't in place for it to be cheaper not to own a car in your area and others. Though it works really well for me, it may not work at all for you.
For those who might be in a better position to be able to and want to, it took us years to slowly figure out how to live well without a car. For a long while we owned a car and tried all the little ways to get by without it.
Heh, asswipe and dickhead all in the same post. Schweeeeet!Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
I saw what I saw in the thread, and you're right, I know the difference. Who brought up the occupy folks? And what was the intent in doing so?
I don't live in a huge metropolis ya know, so I would assume a fuck-load of places have buses, and routes, and passes if where I live does. KC for example...and Dallas....and Tulsa, etc. Most likely, people desiring to live without a car would locate in one of them. BTW, my town isn't a college town utopia either.
But anyway, the hook didn't have a barb.
Bill
Expensive
a: commanding a high price and especially one that is not based on intrinsic worth or is beyond a prospective buyer's means
Intrinsic
a: belonging to a thing by its very nature
Worth
a: good or important enough to justify
So based on definition alone, in Jive's perspective owning a car is "Super Expensive" in that for his particular situation the car's INTRINSIC WORTH does not justify the cost. In Jive's particular situation it is cheaper to own and ride a bicicle than to own and drive a car therefore in Jive's particular situation a car is in fact SUPER EXPENSIVE and as he only mentioned expense as one of the 4 reasons for him and him alone not owning a car (other reasons being "for health reasons...philosophical reasons" and as he mentioned "envioronmental") I feel Jive is completely justified in telling you to fuck right off for insinuating he was coloring the facts a bit with his comment and that his reason was "pretty much an "environmental" statement".
Jive don't listen to anything Bill says today he obviously decided to harness his complete "Miss Crabtree" persona (as George likes to call it)
Bill lighten up.
I with you there Ken, I only like grass fed beef. The first time I saw a steak here in the USA and saw the fat was pure white I was shocked. Only after some research I discovered that color comes from force-fed corn.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarsarge
Nice use of the dictionary but it's all irrelevant because his initial statement WAS NOT qualified with "his particular situation." This is where the problem was but he's since clarified/modified his initial statement so at this point, why are you even putting your two cent in?:smiley5: So I guess using your logic, I'm completely justified in telling you to fuck right off so feel free to do so anytime you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by prophetic_joe
You "saw what you saw" and you saw wrong, that's unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashauler
You also assumed wrong about the "fuck-load of places (that) have buses, and route, and passes" then didn't you? Only a very small percentage of the population of North America is served by any form of public transportation.
Maybe if you'd think before you swing and miss, I wouldn't swear at you.
After a 3 second google search for --percentage of population with access to public transportation--
http://www.nal.usda.gov/ric/ricpubs/publictrans.htm
" <snip> Public transportation is available in approximately sixty percent of all rural counties nationwide, for a total of about 1,200 systems (Stommes, Brown, and Houston, 2002). About two-thirds of rural systems operate in single counties or are city/town in scope; only about one out of four rural transit providers operate in a multi-county area. About 60 percent of rural transit providers are public bodies, and roughly a third are nonprofit agencies; only five percent are private companies or tribal entities. <snip>"
60% obviously isn't a vast majority, but it certainly isn't "The reality either way you want to cut it (percentage of population served by public buses or percentage of land area served by public buses) it's incredibly small."
Also, I found this tidbit from here- http://www.unitedweride.gov/1_128_ENG_HTML.htm
"In 2001, on average, American households devoted 19.3 percent of every dollar spent to transportation expenses. This is the second largest expense category – more than three times the cost of health care – adding up to $7,633 per family annually just to get around. Housing, at $13,011 per year is the only category that exceeds transportation as an expenditure." (Surface Transportation Policy Project, July 2003 )
--Apparently my $1300 estimate, even for the handy guy who does his own wrenching, looks woefully low.
LMAO, I'm hardly offended with the swearing and name calling Bill. More like chuckling.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
No, I see clearly. :smiley23:
I didn't assume wrong, sorry. Please support your assertion with facts. I can certainly look up the bus schedules and costs from any of the cities I cited, as well as a study pointing to the rise in bike/public transportation cooperation in the US and Canada, i.e. North America.
Now you've expanded your statements to include, "Only a very small percentage of the population of North America is served by any form of public transportation." LMAO, Really? Hefty quoted some shit about 60% of the rural counties in the U.S.....I wonder what it would be for urban areas? Talk about a "swing and miss". :smiley5:
BTW, I've done you the courtesy of answering your questions directed at me, however, you've not done the same for me. Given your historical penchant for demanding answers from others, I find this to be pretty darn hypocritical of you. It's o.k. though, this asswipe didn't really expect any. :smiley2:
No Bill the question was asked directly to him. He was asked "Do you travel by donkey." and then question by the group farther based on the initial question be asked of 1 specific persoie. JiveTurkey one could logically deduce that when JiveTurkey answerred with his reasons for his choice that the reasons were his own and simply for his particular situation. You, Bill chose to make an argument where none and none should exist and you chose to call out a member on something that appears to me was simply an excuse to call someone out. Say what you will but that is my opinion. I chose to interact now because I feel it is a crock of shit that you felt the need to brow beat a decent member of this board into saying what you wanted them to say just for the hell of it. Your bullshit argument as certainly proven nothing to the rest of the community other than how nitpicky you will be with everyone's statements. It's is the job of a self moderated community to make sure that asshats don't stick around long and it is also the job of a self moderated community to make sure long standing members realize when they themselves are being asshats. Bill you are behaving like an asshat in this thread. I am asking you as someone that has spoken with you and supported you often to knock it off. You make your own choice with it Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoventryCat86
$7,633 annually seems woefully low. Not surprising, given that the survey was done over 10 years ago. I know I spend WAY more than $7,633 annually for two vehicles - especially now when gas was over $4 a gallon this past year!!!! I betcha, with the economy and oil prices the way they are, the money spent and (more importantly) the percentage of a families budget spent on transportation expenses will exceed that 2001 survey. :smiley7:Quote:
Originally Posted by heftysmokes
I still wish I could ditch my cars and go to a bicycle lifestyle. :smiley2: