Intro from probably the first of a few stray sheep

**BigMacFU** · 10-11-2008, 09:00 AM

Welcome to the board Craig, glad to have you.

Originally Posted by craig

I bear no animosity to Daniel or Jon

It's okay not to bear any animosity, I just hope you understand all that is wrong with the way these two guys operate and understand that we don't tolerate their kind of deceptive scumbag behaviour here on CSmokers.

**mrtr33** · 10-11-2008, 09:49 AM

Welcome Craig, to cigarsmokers, from central Oregon.

**Lopaka** · 10-11-2008, 10:07 AM

Welcome to CSmokers!

**slcraiders** · 10-11-2008, 10:43 AM

Welcome from Utah, Craig!

I tried to reply to the big Caputo/puff.com thread yesterday with no luck. Password has been scrambled or something too. Oh well. I am sure my post would have been quickly deleted anyway

**chefchris** · 10-11-2008, 02:19 PM

Hey, Craig. Welcome from (my last day in) Mississippi.

I hope you enjoy your stay here.

We won't play "jokes" on your password.

**craig** · 10-11-2008, 02:50 PM

Thanks again for all the kind welcomes!

Just wanted to respond to the sentiment quoted first below, and similar thoughts from others. I am not trying/will never try to persuade anyone to change their opinion of CL, but I thought it best to put my stance out in the open right now. Normally I would not do this as a third post.

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I'm not someone who judges people. People operate differently, and, by extension, can have different values. Behaviour in one forum is a breach of ethics elsewhere. Every community has rules. Some are written, many are unwritten. Some rules one agrees with; others one does not. Some rules can be bent, others are in stone.

I've only heard of Jon Caputo for a short period:
- he has a double-door display humidor, heavy on Fuente IIRC;
- he and his wife enjoyed their first cigar event (Padilla Miami opening); and
- he and his wife are successful Web 2.0 entrepreneurs, and work as a team.
So I presume that they have to adjust to the communities that have been purchased. He does appear to be a quick study.

As for Daniel Lopez, again, I have a different perspective. When I joined CigarLive, I thought that CL was a commercial enterprise owned and operated by Daniel for profit; that it was a happy, friendly, place; that unhappiness or unfriendliness to fellow members was not welcome, was against the rules, and would be dealt with one way or another; and that companies/sponsors were fellow members of CL, so it had to be a happy, friendly, place for them.

I went into CL presuming that; I come here assuming that this a different world; one that was puffed, but quickly exhaled by mutual agreement. One where people have strong opinions of CL, born out of their experiences, and their expectations. I form my opinions of CL based on my limited experiences and expectations. The two opinions are not going to be the same.

<long-winded mode off>

I don't have anything of value to add about puff.com or its management. Daniel has responded to me that all accounts will be moved over, so I do expect to be able to sign on and see the place. Jon Caputo has promised a privacy policy, and I'll have a look at that.

That's all I want to say about CL/Puff for a while, except to acknowledge that:

Originally Posted by BigMacFU

... I just hope you understand all that is wrong with the way these two guys operate and understand that we don't tolerate their kind of deceptive scumbag behaviour here on CSmokers.

I understand.

Originally Posted by Ashauler

Read around the board and get a feel for how things are done here as it is nothing like what you are used to at CL.

With this post made, that's the plan.

**basil** · 10-11-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by craig

Thanks again for all the kind welcomes!

Just wanted to respond to the sentiment quoted first below, and similar thoughts from others. I am not trying/will never try to persuade anyone to change their opinion of CL, but I thought it best to put my stance out in the open right now. Normally I would not do this as a third post.

<long-winded mode on - skip ahead if desired>

I'm not someone who judges people. People operate differently, and, by extension, can have different values. Behaviour in one forum is a breach of ethics elsewhere. Every community has rules. Some are written, many are unwritten. Some rules one agrees with; others one does not. Some rules can be bent, others are in stone.

I've only heard of Jon Caputo for a short period:
- he has a double-door display humidor, heavy on Fuente IIRC;
- he and his wife enjoyed their first cigar event (Padilla Miami opening); and
- he and his wife are successful Web 2.0 entrepreneurs, and work as a team.
So I presume that they have to adjust to the communities that have been purchased. He does appear to be a quick study.

As for Daniel Lopez, again, I have a different perspective. When I joined CigarLive, I thought that CL was a commercial enterprise owned and operated by Daniel for profit; that it was a happy, friendly, place; that unhappiness or unfriendliness to fellow members was not welcome, was against the rules, and would be dealt with one way or another; and that companies/sponsors were fellow members of CL, so it had to be a happy, friendly, place for them.

I went into CL presuming that; I come here assuming that this a different world; one that was puffed, but quickly exhaled by mutual agreement. One where people have strong opinions of CL, born out of their experiences, and their expectations. I form my opinions of CL based on my limited experiences and expectations. The two opinions are not going to be the same.

<long-winded mode off>

I don't have anything of value to add about puff.com or its management. Daniel has responded to me that all accounts will be moved over, so I do expect to be able to sign on and see the place. Jon Caputo has promised a privacy policy, and I'll have a look at that.

That's all I want to say about CL/Puff for a while, except to acknowledge that:

I understand.

With this post made, that's the plan.

Ok, first, welcome to CSmokers.

Second, this post doesn't make much sense to me. You don't have to justify your membership on another board. If you anticipate catching a ration of shit for being a member, and by association, supporting a place like CL, well you might catch that shit. Or maybe not. Values and opinions are not synonymous. I might have an opinion that is the polar opposite from that of another, but our values line up perfectly. If you feel like you have to let us all know how the puff pulse is beating, then post away. Your posts will not be deleted, but you will be held accountable for them.