Budget Box Pass

[EGQ]

Just an FYI -- I'm off to Detroit for business (hopefully only a day or two). I should be back before Nate gets the package to me.

[craig]

Just an FYI -- I'm off to Detroit for business (hopefully only a day or two). I should be back before Nate gets the package to me.

Is there someone who can take the package if you're not there? (and hopefully put it in a cool place?)

Prophetic_Joe:
I'll set the value on the Simones at $12US. I can't remember the exact number I calculated last night, but $12 is close enough. Is FR right - is there a p/t has to be removed to take that one? Please advise. I'll look at the p/t from the other trays first.

[EGQ]

My wife is always on the lookout for packages. She'll take good care of it if it arrives while I'm out of town.

[prophetic_joe]

Prophetic_Joe:
I'll set the value on the Simones at $12US. I can't remember the exact number I calculated last night, but $12 is close enough. Is FR right - is there a p/t has to be removed to take that one? Please advise. I'll look at the p/t from the other trays first.

That is correct. If I switch out I would switch out the Partagas which would work as that is one that is being questioned anyway. Let me look into what I have though.

[craig]

Take 36 D-Long Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008 $7.87 for #44 Partagas Serie D No.4 $7.92
Mrtr33: I can't come up with the $7.92 avg. on the PSD#4. I threw out the lowest two prices and still get $7.69.
badwhale:Take 36 ~ Worth:$7.88 Put 44 ~ Worth: $7.48
prophetic_joe:The PSD #4 price was the price I found for single currently on one of the only ISOM sites I know. I have not found a very good way to average those sticks. I can find something closer that I know the exact price of, I was attempting to keep as many ISOM for ISOM ttrades as possible though.

Take: Mad5 Secretos is at $8.04 currently (ten prices), but came into the pass at $7.87.

Put: I have ten SD#4 prices: $ 175.15 $ 223.95 $ 172.25 $ 164.00 $ 198.00 $ 171.00 $ 173.60 $ 229.40 $ 168.75 $ 194.30.

The numbers show the typical two humps for Cuban cigar pricing. Average works out to $7.48/stick, i.e., no prices thrown out.

So we're essentially 40 cents under.

Take #28 D-Long Partagás Short Cab Aug 06 $4.78 for #45 Camacho Coyolar Super Toro $4.87
mrtr33: T #28 I came up with an average price of $3.90, but maybe I did my math wrong/P #45 is dead-on.
badwhale:Take 28 ~ Worth:$4.78 Put 45 ~ Worth: $4.88

Take: I've got nine prices Party Short cab of 50: $ 187.62 $ 172.75 $ 184.00 $ 239.00 $ 198.24 $ 173.10 $ 203.05 $ 203.04 $ 192.96
Averaging comes out to $3.90. The $4.78 probably comes from box of 25 pricing.

Put:The Camacho Coyolar Super Toro appears to have a set price of $121.95/25, or $4.88/stick.

So we're kicking the value of this slot up almost a buck.

Take #34 34 C-Big Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008 $7.60 for #46 Hemingway Classic Nat $7.50
mrtr33: I also had a question about T #34/P #46. Even if the Hemingway Classic Nat is $7.50, how is that an equal or greater trade than the Vegas Robaina - $7.60? Just curious. I came up with $7.34 as the price for the Hemingway Classic Natural.
badwhale:Take 34 ~ Worth:$8.36 Put 46 ~ Worth: $7.34
prophetic_joe: As for the Hemingway Versus the VR the reasoning I had was that it was .10 and we had a discussion previously of trying to not keep upping the value of stick so as some of the newer participants could still participate without breaking their bank. I just figured value for value a dime was close enough. Vegas Robaina price is directly from the first post. It says there $7.60 so that's what I went with.

Take: $7.60 pass value is about $0.75 under current market value.

Put: I get nine prices: 172.95 179.95 187.95 185.95 172.95 189.99 181.95 189.95 189.95 giving an average price of $7.34/stick.

So, a quarter under.

Now that you know the pricing, would you like to have a look at any of these again (or replace one of the two with the Simones)?

Your choice, as I'm happy with the puts/takes so far .

<learning point for first-timers>
Rule #2 says equal "estimated value." Value, not estimated value, is defined by rule #3. In other words, estimated value is what the pass participant says it is, as long as the host agrees. Using comparison shopper tables of prices is a good strategy to avoid being questioned, but it isn't perfect. I want first-timers to use the shopper and search for pricing for others because that's where valuation starts, and, in practice, pricing can be an effective strategy to avoid, or handle, additional discussion of one's puts/takes. However, one must always keep in mind that comparison pricing is just one estimate of value, and that there is no appeal from a host's decision.
</learning point>

edit: Boli Simones

First two pages of a Yahoo search on Bolivar Simones revealed the following ordered prices: US$: $412.20/50; $687/50
CA$ converted to US$: $10.52/1; $285.92/25; $790.88/50; $436.15/25; $482.44/25, and $21.01/1.

Last three prices are actually Canadian domestic (B&M) prices, i.e., with taxes, in two different provinces. Those three prices were ignored in order to compare export prices. The average of remaining prices was $11.95/stick; $12 was within a nickel.

[prophetic_joe]

Ok here's what I will do.


Take 36 D-Long Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008 $7.87 for #44 Partagas Serie D No.4 $7.48

Take #26 D-Long Bolivar Simones RE Canada Nov 07 for #45 Padron 1926 #6 $12.53

Take #34 34 C-Big Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008 $7.60 for #46 Rocky Patel Vintage 92 Torpedo $7.86 (That's taking the 3 lowest values in the comparison shopper and averaging a price.)

If this works let me know.

[craig]

Ok here's what I will do.


Take 36 D-Long Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008 $7.87 for #44 Partagas Serie D No.4 $7.48

Take #26 D-Long Bolivar Simones RE Canada Nov 07 for #45 Padron 1926 #6 $12.53

Take #34 34 C-Big Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008 $7.60 for #46 Rocky Patel Vintage 92 Torpedo $7.86 (That's taking the 3 lowest values in the comparison shopper and averaging a price.)

If this works let me know.

Accepted, thanks. I didn't think the US$ would lose so much value in two weeks! Good thing I didn't post starting prices!

Please let me know your choices for squares.

EGQ: You're up!

[CAJUNBLAZE]

I know this is a starter pass, but I wanted to throw this out there. In all the passes I have been in, you must match or exceed the price point of the take.(as you're rule 2 states) Just wanted first timers know if they decide to join another pass. This rule is usual strictly enforced.

I don't think the Cohiba Maduro for the Partagas Serie D No.4 was a good trade, but I should have chimed before now.

When using the price comparison, do you use the single, box price, 25 or 50?

Rich

[prophetic_joe]

I know this is a starter pass, but I wanted to throw this out there. In all the passes I have been in, you must match or exceed the price point of the take.(as you're rule 2 states) Just wanted first timers know if they decide to join another pass. This rule is usual strictly enforced.

I don't think the Cohiba Maduro for the Partagas Serie D No.4 was a good trade, but I should have chimed before now.

When using the price comparison, do you use the single, box price, 25 or 50?

Rich

I have absolutely no problem switching that particular cigar out for you if it concerns you man. I haven't shipped yet. I know the pass leader has the final say but I don't want any other pass member to feel slighted by my puts either. Like I said before in previous passes I have been involved in th variety for variety (ie. ISOM for ISOM) rule has also been strictly enforced and I was attempting to keep in line with that more than exceeding the price. I changed out other for domestic cigars that are more in line with the price rule so if that would please the other pass members more than the Partagas I would be more than happy to do that.

[CAJUNBLAZE]

I have absolutely no problem switching that particular cigar out for you if it concerns you man. I haven't shipped yet. I know the pass leader has the final say but I don't want any other pass member to feel slighted by my puts either. Like I said before in previous passes I have been involved in th variety for variety (ie. ISOM for ISOM) rule has also been strictly enforced and I was attempting to keep in line with that more than exceeding the price. I changed out other for domestic cigars that are more in line with the price rule so if that would please the other pass members more than the Partagas I would be more than happy to do that.

No, I am good with the trade, and its was approved by the pass leader. I just wanted to point out that these trades are the exception not the rule.

How far back do we go in price before it's not ok?

Rich