From Niagara Falls

**DeeDubya** · 08-07-2009, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by basil

lol. More lying, Dennis - never realized it before, but I seriously doubt if you can "take it or leave it". I'm sure Jamie can speak for himself, and will if he wants too. I'm just speaking for myself - an observation of some ugliness I hadn't noticed before. Must've struck a chord. Besides my shortcomings, the newbs probably won't find much humor in your habit of talking out of both sides of your mouth. But hell, you've gotten away with it this long - they probably won't even notice it. You make me think of the Marlon Brando character in Missouri Breaks.

But you're right about one thing - this is fun.

I admit, that Marlon Brando analogy is a good one.

**ggiese** · 08-07-2009, 08:38 AM

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I'm not trying to bewindle you here, but I feel compelled to draw you a picture...

I hear you and your holistic outlook for 'Smokers, and even the:

However,

'Smokers is what 'Smokers is - largely because of people like Ted and Jamie. It is not like other cigar boards - and, quite frankly, I'm very grateful for that.

It surely would be nice to just switch off the "noise" and live in Nirvana (as in - have the moderators just shut down offensive posts). But - individuals like Ted and Jamie are as much a moderator as is they are moderated by the others in the community. And in that dynamic - this board works very well.

If Christopher (or any other newb to the board, for that matter) is TRULY interested in what our members consider to be "good" or "bad" - or "cheap" or "expensive" - good places to buy cigars versus places to steer clear of - they will engage themselves in the discussions on this board. They will not seek to pull out what they want in the first 30 posts, and then move on. And if someone works over their scrotum like a pinata at a 5 year olds birthday party for asking for something they should be more thoughtful about? Well - my friend - it's part of the price of being a member here. (BTW - once the scrotum blisters up a bit, the blows don't hurt nearly as bad as when you get the first whack)

...and through that process - you, Ted, Jamie and others have managed to survive and flourish. There are some pretty doggone good members here now that have been challenged and met that challenge. And so - the challenges should go on.

I truly think you're in a quandry with priorities. I sincreely hope you are able to sort them out.

**DeeDubya** · 08-07-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by ggiese

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I'm not trying to bewindle you here, but I feel compelled to draw you a picture...

I hear you and your holistic outlook for 'Smokers, and even the:

However,

'Smokers is what 'Smokers is - largely because of people like Ted and Jamie. It is not like other cigar boards - and, quite frankly, I'm very grateful for that.

It surely would be nice to just switch off the "noise" and live in Nirvana (as in - have the moderators just shut down offensive posts). But - individuals like Ted and Jamie are as much a moderator as is they are moderated by the others in the community. And in that dynamic - this board works very well.

If Christopher (or any other newb to the board, for that matter) is TRULY interested in what our members consider to be "good" or "bad" - or "cheap" or "expensive" - good places to buy cigars versus places to steer clear of - they will engage themselves in the discussions on this board. They will not seek to pull out what they want in the first 30 posts, and then move on. And if someone works over their scrotum like a pinata at a 5 year olds birthday party for asking for something they should be more thoughtful about? Well - my friend - it's part of the price of being a member here. (BTW - once the scrotum blisters up a bit, the blows don't hurt nearly as bad as when you get the first whack)

...and through that process - you, Ted, Jamie and others have managed to survive and flourish. There are some pretty doggone good members here now that have been challenged and met that challenge. And so - the challenges should go on.

I truly think you're in a quandry with priorities. I sincreely hope you are able to sort them out.

Action and a reaction George. You know kinda like the little doctors mallet to check your nerve reaction. Basil's "I'm diggin it" remark caused a knee jerk. This thread was going on and on and the OP had long since vanished. Why don't we have the "Beat a dead horse" smile'?
I appreciate your explanation although I think I do have a fair understanding of how things work around here. I enjoy and respect the community but I won't hesitate to speak up.

**ashauler** · 08-07-2009, 09:32 AM

Always wanna be helpful:

I think your attack on me was baseless and unjustified, and that I am deserving of an apology. I doubt that you will see it that way, so we will just have to agree to disagree I suppose.

**DeeDubya** · 08-07-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by ashauler

Always wanna be helpful:

I think your attack on me was baseless and unjustified, and that I am deserving of an apology. I doubt that you will see it that way, so we will just have to agree to disagree I suppose.

You're right, I don't see it that way. You'll get an apology when hell freezes over. You said I edited the Pryme thing and I said I didn't. Then you all but called me a liar when all you had to do is check the time of the edit and see that it was seconds after the post. Gimme that dead horse thing again.

**ashauler** · 08-07-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by DeeDubya

You're right, I don't see it that way. You'll get an apology when hell freezes over. You said I edited the Pryme thing and I said I didn't. Then you all but called me a liar when all you had to do is check the time of the edit and see that it was seconds after the post. Gimme that dead horse thing again.

More like 8 minutes: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...6&postcount=56
Perhaps I made a mistake in reading your post, which I did just seconds after you posted it but was unable to reply at that instant. I'm not above making an error, and i must admit that I simply replied to the post and didn't re-read the thread when I was able to log back in later. However, I made no assertion you were a liar in PUBLIC. Your statement that you didn't edit that part of the post was made in PRIVATE. All of your attacks on me have been PUBLIC, with no attempt at private communication.

You've also posted twice in this thread prior to your attack on basil, once offering to moon someone to get the "point across"......then the Angelina Jolie photo. I get the Angelina one not being about the thread, but more funny, but not the first one. Is this more of your double standard?

How about your attack on SMEG? He offended you, and you personally attacked him right off the bat.......more double standard? I don't think I even posted in that thread at all, but I could have and just don't remember it.

Here ya go:

do a google search and you can get the image for yourself, this one is in my album so you might not be able to link to it.

I will have difficulty regaining the respect that I once had for you.

**DeeDubya** · 08-07-2009, 10:56 AM

Yeah, I've checked back quite a bit and can't really find where I attacked you. What I did find is where you jumped in after my post to Basil. I guess your filling in for Basil? Funny how things get all twisted.

**ashauler** · 08-07-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by ashauler

More like 8 minutes: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...6&postcount=56
Perhaps I made a mistake in reading your post, which I did just seconds after you posted it but was unable to reply at that instant. I'm not above making an error, and i must admit that I simply replied to the post and didn't re-read the thread when I was able to log back in later. However, I made no assertion you were a liar in PUBLIC. Your statement that you didn't edit that part of the post was made in PRIVATE. All of your attacks on me have been PUBLIC, with no attempt at private communication.

You've also posted twice in this thread prior to your attack on basil, once offering to moon someone to get the "point across"......then the Angelina Jolie photo. I get the Angelina one not being about the thread, but more funny, but not the first one. Is this more of your double standard?

How about your attack on SMEG? He offended you, and you personally attacked him right off the bat.......more double standard? I don't think I even posted in that thread at all, but I could have and just don't remember it.

Here ya go:

do a google search and you can get the image for yourself, this one is in my album so you might not be able to link to it.

I will have difficulty regaining the respect that I once had for you.

I have been able to confirm that I did indeed make an error in my reading of the Pryme portion of your post DW. For that, and my resulting post that insinuated that you did edit that portion of the post, I apologize.

**ggiese** · 08-07-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by DeeDubya

Action and a reaction George. You know kinda like the little doctors mallet to check your nerve reaction. Basil's "I'm diggin it" remark caused a knee jerk. This thread was going on and on and the OP had long since vanished. Why don't we have the "Beat a dead horse" smile'?
I appreciate your explanation although I think I do have a fair understanding of how things work around here. I enjoy and respect the community but I won't hesitate to speak up.

I hear the reaction part - but it seems as though it a pretty strong reaction to a very innocuous situation. Similar to kicking the doctor in the face when he checks your reflexes.

I read what Ted wrote - and cracked a smile It seemed to me he was making a play on words, if you ask me. I didn't view it as being at the expense of Mr. C - but more along the lines of expounding on the new concept of "bewindling". Tomatoe - tomahtoe, I suppose.

I'm not sure why the "knee jerk" in this instance - or the clearly obvious smack on Ted and Jamie. But, like the true reasons the doctor does a reflex check, perhaps this is an opporunity to understand why there may be a problem. If it were me - I'd be pretty careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Relationships between members on this board solidify our community.

**DeeDubya** · 08-07-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by ggiese

I hear the reaction part - but it seems as though it a pretty strong reaction to a very innocuous situation. Similar to kicking the doctor in the face when he checks your reflexes.

I read what Ted wrote - and cracked a smile It seemed to me he was making a play on words, if you ask me. I didn't view it as being at the expense of Mr. C - but more along the lines of expounding on the new concept of "bewindling". Tomatoe - tomahtoe, I suppose.

I'm not sure why the "knee jerk" in this instance - or the clearly obvious smack on Ted and Jamie. But, like the true reasons the doctor does a reflex check, perhaps this is an opporunity to understand why there may be a problem. If it were me - I'd be pretty careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Relationships between members on this board solidify our community.

I agee with most of that.