Communist Party and Democrats

[ggiese]

Actually, your good buddy, gg, brought him up in post #14, although I have no doubt you would have gotten there soon enough. You rrw's can't go 5 minutes without blaming him for something. That's OK though, just proves how lame you shitheads really are. Keep spinning like you are and you'll soon lose your head completely. You can't stop defending the repuglican pedophile, and his cover-up buddies in office right now. You can protest and bitch all you want but all you prove is that you're just as much a piece of shit as they are. Tell me this, do all repugs use the internet to stalk young boys?

Sure, I'll pony up 5 "premium" dog rockets.

That's a conservative publication btw, but it's funny watching you pukes feed on yourselves.

Directed at me - by NAME, and calling me a "shithead"...

More vulgarity and nastiness...

And these are actually the TAMEST of the posts. The ones between you and CC are far worse - but I just figure anger got in your way in those.

I don't understand your wanting to personally attack me in these, though. Doesn't make sense... What was a pretty civil discussion between us was a very serious attempt on your part to drag it into the gutter...

[cigarsarge]

It's pretty clear that Barry just can't express himself politically without name calling. Why would a guy of his intellegence portray himself in that manner?

Barry come on...You know better.

[SmokinDVM]

Directed at me - by NAME, and calling me a "shithead"...

More vulgarity and nastiness...

And these are actually the TAMEST of the posts. The ones between you and CC are far worse - but I just figure anger got in your way in those.

I don't understand your wanting to personally attack me in these, though. Doesn't make sense... What was a pretty civil discussion between us was a very serious attempt on your part to drag it into the gutter...

You are just a tad confused. This post was directed at, and entirely about, cc.
Who was quoted in that post? Who was that post directed towards? I suggest you re-read the post slowly a few times so as to help you better understand it. If the colorful language offends you, skip over those parts.

[cigarsarge]

Barry...Thanks for not resorting to "colorful language" in your rebutal posts of late.

Can you not see how a barrage of "colorful language" might turn off people a tad?

Occasional use is no problem...I just get turned off when it is constant.

[SmokinDVM]

You are most welcome sarge.

However, for most of my detractors, the colorful language isn't the real problem they have with me.
They are upset and offended by my political leanings, and the fact that I'm not afraid to voice them, and defend them. What they dislike the most though, is that I'm not afraid of calling a rat a rat, without pulling any punches.
They want anyone with a different opinion to keep quiet. The language "issue" is nothing but a ploy.

When I'm discussing politics or religion with a group of men, I tend to speak exactly as I post. I don't get all worked up and red in the face, or start making personal threats though, like some others here. I suspect most people here, and in general, use "colorful" language on a regular basis. But really, this whole brouhaha isn't about language.

[ggiese]

You are most welcome sarge.

However, for most of my detractors, the colorful language isn't the real problem they have with me.
They are upset and offended by my political leanings, and the fact that I'm not afraid to voice them, and defend them. What they dislike the most though, is that I'm not afraid of calling a rat a rat, without pulling any punches.
They want anyone with a different opinion to keep quiet. The language "issue" is nothing but a ploy.

When I'm discussing politics or religion with a group of men, I tend to speak exactly as I post. I don't get all worked up and red in the face, or start making personal threats though, like some others here. I suspect most people here, and in general, use "colorful" language on a regular basis. But really, this whole brouhaha isn't about language.

I guess I'm in the "detractor" class - so I'll comment on this...

The "colorful" language IS a problem. It's past being colorful, and more into psychotic.

I could care less what you're political leanings are - and I could care less that you voice them and defend them.

I could care less you call a so-called rat a rat. It's when you call a "rat" "fuck-tards", "shitstain on society ", "Sick fucks", "righty freaks", "fucking sub-moron", "fucking retards", "Dumbass", "shitheads", "as much a piece of shit as they are", "you pukes", "pussy whining", "wounded little bitch" - (and those are off of just one thread) I do have some issues... No need for you to be in the toilet like this...

"...without pulling any punches" - again - no problem. I do have a problem, though, because you do not believe there are any boundries on the punches you're pulling...

"They want anyone with a different opinion to keep quiet." "The language "issue" is nothing but a ploy." I'd say you're being delusional and paranoid. I could care less what you're political leanings are - again, it's the way you express those political leanings I have a problem with. I could care less if you do it in your local drinking establishment - but maybe the bar manager would, On CigarSmokers,though - it does tend to bring this place down and I happen to like this place. Just the same as I would ask you to tone down your rhetoric if you were in my favorite watering hole shooting off obscenties in the presence of my friends.

"When I'm discussing politics or religion with a group of men, I tend to speak exactly as I post. I don't get all worked up and red in the face, or start making personal threats though, like some others here." I find that VERY hard to believe, given what I've seen here.

"I suspect most people here, and in general, use "colorful" language on a regular basis." Yep - I've been known to toss out a four letter word here and there. But in general conversation with my friends, I do tend to curb my language out of respect for them. And I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable calling a friend a "shithead" - not unless I really didn't want them as a friend anymore. Or - if I inadvertantly called them one and they were insulted - I would apologize profusely. But that's just me, apparently...

"But really, this whole brouhaha isn't about language." Seeing as how I highly doubt you can see into any one elses psyche, I seriously doubt you could say that with confidence. It is entirely possible that what others are telling you is the honest truth - they really don't like the way you express yourself (i.e. hateful, vulgar, insulting, etc.), more than what it is you're defending.

[SmokinDVM]

I guess I'm in the "detractor" class - so I'll comment on this...

The "colorful" language IS a problem. It's past being colorful, and more into psychotic.

I could care less what you're political leanings are - and I could care less that you voice them and defend them.

I could care less you call a so-called rat a rat. It's when you call a "rat" "fuck-tards", "shitstain on society ", "Sick fucks", "righty freaks", "fucking sub-moron", "fucking retards", "Dumbass", "shitheads", "as much a piece of shit as they are", "you pukes", "pussy whining", "wounded little bitch" - (and those are off of just one thread) I do have some issues... No need for you to be in the toilet like this...

"...without pulling any punches" - again - no problem. I do have a problem, though, because you do not believe there are any boundries on the punches you're pulling...

"They want anyone with a different opinion to keep quiet." "The language "issue" is nothing but a ploy." I'd say you're being delusional and paranoid. I could care less what you're political leanings are - again, it's the way you express those political leanings I have a problem with. I could care less if you do it in your local drinking establishment - but maybe the bar manager would, On CigarSmokers,though - it does tend to bring this place down and I happen to like this place. Just the same as I would ask you to tone down your rhetoric if you were in my favorite watering hole shooting off obscenties in the presence of my friends.

"When I'm discussing politics or religion with a group of men, I tend to speak exactly as I post. I don't get all worked up and red in the face, or start making personal threats though, like some others here." I find that VERY hard to believe, given what I've seen here.

"I suspect most people here, and in general, use "colorful" language on a regular basis." Yep - I've been known to toss out a four letter word here and there. But in general conversation with my friends, I do tend to curb my language out of respect for them. And I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable calling a friend a "shithead" - not unless I really didn't want them as a friend anymore. Or - if I inadvertantly called them one and they were insulted - I would apologize profusely. But that's just me, apparently...

"But really, this whole brouhaha isn't about language." Seeing as how I highly doubt you can see into any one elses psyche, I seriously doubt you could say that with confidence. It is entirely possible that what others are telling you is the honest truth - they really don't like the way you express yourself (i.e. hateful, vulgar, insulting, etc.), more than what it is you're defending.

There are others on this bb, that regularly string together multiple expletives in almost every post they make, and not just in the political forum. I haven't seen you once complain about their posts. I would have to conclude it's because they are never political, or when they are those opinions fall in line with yours.

Could you please explain this interesting double standard of yours?

[cinda]

SDVM... GG is a great guy and he does not need to read anything slow to understand it. You are dealing with someone of equall caliber and dealing with a person with a world of life experience that could stand toe to toe with any of your own experiences. Tomorrow will be a year since I came to the board. I can tell you from my experince here that when it's all said and done members here would have GG's back. You have brought a knife to a gun fight and you are losing ground with everyone when you tell someone like GG to read it slowly. Anyhow I do like you and all I think that is being said here is if I took this thread and hung it in your waiting room at the office how many people would not come back, knowing your Smoking DVM? Do you think they have a problem with your political views, or do you think they would be afraid of you based on the way your reacting to statements you do not care for. I know we are all human and it is real hard to always be what people believe you are. But your customers would be shocked to know that you publicly revert back to high school name calling when even mildly provoke. The focus comes off what your point is and the focus becomes on how your making it.

[cigarsarge]

All I'm going to add is we all have to live in the same world. A little civility on both sides of any argument makes it easier for all parties to listen and take note of opinions other than their own.

[SmokinDVM]

SDVM... GG is a great guy and he does not need to read anything slow to understand it. You are dealing with someone of equall caliber and dealing with a person with a world of life experience that could stand toe to toe with any of your own experiences. Tomorrow will be a year since I came to the board. I can tell you from my experince here that when it's all said and done members here would have GG's back. You have brought a knife to a gun fight and you are losing ground with everyone when you tell someone like GG to read it slowly. Anyhow I do like you and all I think that is being said here is if I took this thread and hung it in your waiting room at the office how many people would not come back, knowing your Smoking DVM? Do you think they have a problem with your political views, or do you think they would be afraid of you based on the way your reacting to statements you do not care for. I know we are all human and it is real hard to always be what people believe you are. But your customers would be shocked to know that you publicly revert back to high school name calling when even mildly provoke. The focus comes off what your point is and the focus becomes on how your making it.

Actually, gg does need to read the post more slowly/carefully. He continues to think I called him a shithead, when, in fact, I was calling cc a shithead. GG thinks I should apologize to him because he mistakingly THINKS he was directly attacked.
I have no comment to his "life experience". I don't pretend to know about his, just as few here know about mine. It really has nothing to do with this entire discussion. I never enter any "fight" without being well heeled, and I never worry about who has whos back. Being that I'm always in the minority on a cigar bb, I'm quite accustomed to being outnumbered in a discussion. I do not make personal attacks unless or untill I have been attacked. If the direction or tone of one of my posts upsets someone, they should simply ignore the post. If they jump in and attack me, they shouldn't start whining later. If someone doesn't know how to swim, they should stay out of the deep end of the pool.

Anyway, as for my clients, many of them know me personally. I don't hide who I am, ever. I don't pull punches. I retain a very loyal group of clients because of that very thing. If clients don't like hearing the truth, well they can just move on down the road and find a Vet that'll tell them what they want to hear. I don't practice that kind of hypocrisy, anywhere.