the wrong guy....

[Shelby07]

The story brings up a question as to whether or not it is more important to save one person from incorrect prosecution as opposed to occasionally incarcerating one person incorrectly for the good of society. It also seems to bring up some pretty interesting discussion points about the inadequacies of law enforcement to look for relevant evidence in a case.

Of course, it's not nearly as interesting as some guy in Chicago who owns a hot dog stand being fined $250.

Hefty, and others - I wouldn't worry too much about replying to Bill's nonsense posts. Let's get this all out in the open once and for all...

Bill is just trolling for a fight that Sid and I are not going to give him. I would suggest that others just ignore these kinds of posts from him. Bill has been stalking me and Sid ever since we had a little political disagreement last year. We have tried not to reply to him only because of a request that Hex made to all of us involved in the disagreement last year, including Bill. Hex has been tearing his hair out with Bill trying to get him to let the past go, but Bill just continues to be an irritant. Apparantly he wont consider the job finished until Sid and I either leave the board or get banned.

Now that it's out in the open, I will say publically that I have a couple of things going on the board, I have my anniversary contest going, I am involved in the Birthday club and Chefchris and I are trying to pull a herf together in Atlanta at the end of May - which I will make. I have told Hex, as has Sid, that come June I am gone. It really hurts that I have to leave this board. I have made quite a few friends here, but I can't see continuing here knowing that it's just a matter of time before Bill starts up again.

So there you go Bill. Just stick around until June and you will "win." No need to harass me any more, you've accomplished your mission.

Now, let's see what other names you can pull out of your ass for me.

[Shelby07]

Whew... Bill has been a busy little newsboy, hasn't he?

[cigarsarge]

that come June I am gone.

I think you need to reconsider. You are an active member that contributes to the value of this board.

Might I suggest a truce between Bill, Sid and you. All three of you guys have something worthwile to offer this place.

Just my two cents worth.

[drew_goring]

I think you need to reconsider. You are an active member that contributes to the value of this board.

Might I suggest a truce between Bill, Sid and you. All three of you guys have something worthwile to offer this place.

Just my two cents worth.

What he said.

[Shelby07]

Thanks for the support here. Unfortunately I don't think there can be a truce with Bill. I have tried since last year to keep things down on this board. I've bit my tongue and kept quiet too many times here. Even if we come to an agreement, it'll be just a matter of time before he starts up on someone else. The truth of the matter is that we've already lost members because of Bill's bullying. I really don't think I will be able to stand by and watch it happen to somebody else again.

For those of you who have sent PM's, thank you.

[Shelby07]

By the way, I will continue to be an active member until the birthday club thread is completed. Don't let this affect your vote in my anniversary contest. I'm still gonna do what I can to be as unpredictable with my number of posts as possible!

If you haven't voted, do so. I'm having fun with the contest and I hope those who entered are, too. Hell, I'll even send the prize to Bill if he enters and wins. All I will need is his current address up there in Nova Scotia.

[bigpoppapuff]

virtually every time i post bill stalks me...fuck him and his ass lickers...i'm out of here soon...if he's still here...i'm gone...

[CoventryCat86]

virtually every time i post bill stalks me...fuck him and his ass lickers...i'm out of here soon...if he's still here...i'm gone...

No need for your constant use of vulgar language or your lies, no one is "stalking" you. If you really think that, you're one sick little boy.

I'm not going anywhere sid, if you want to continue to sulk, cause trouble and pollute the board with your BS. You just keep doing that, you're only hurting yourself.

As George said, you screwed up here BIG TIME and it's truly a shame you can't and/or refuse to understand that.

[heftysmokes]

virtually every time i post bill stalks me...fuck him and his ass lickers...i'm out of here soon...if he's still here...i'm gone...

Wow, I just reread this whole thread and caught this for the first time.

Classy Sid.

[bigpoppapuff]

By the way, I will continue to be an active member until the birthday club thread is completed. Don't let this affect your vote in my anniversary contest. I'm still gonna do what I can to be as unpredictable with my number of posts as possible!

If you haven't voted, do so. I'm having fun with the contest and I hope those who entered are, too. Hell, I'll even send the prize to Bill if he enters and wins. All I will need is his current address up there in Nova Scotia.

i have his address in chaplin...nova scotia,it isn't...

[597]

There are plenty of stories out there like this that most people never hear of. Unfortunately the justice system isn’t perfect, look at the current state of Quntanomo Bay. If you don’t know what I’m talking about you should read up on it.

[ggiese]

Thanks for the support here. Unfortunately I don't think there can be a truce with Bill. I have tried since last year to keep things down on this board. I've bit my tongue and kept quiet too many times here. Even if we come to an agreement, it'll be just a matter of time before he starts up on someone else. The truth of the matter is that we've already lost members because of Bill's bullying. I really don't think I will be able to stand by and watch it happen to somebody else again.

For those of you who have sent PM's, thank you.

You are at odds with Bill because you don't understand Bill. If you understood him, you would not be at odds with him. Believe me - it's true.

Bill is not a big green ogre. Bill is Bill. He's brash - he's loud - many times he's obnoxious - but Bill is a very stand up, trustworthy guy. Agree with his politics or not - Like his personality or not - Bill really is the kind of person you'd want to be a member of your cigar board if you really wanted it to be a good place to be.

Sid - you did screw up big time. You've done things you'd would be all over others for doing. I know you really don't think you screwed up. I having serious doubts you'll ever understand how or where you screwed up. And I see you growing more bitter by the day. I've resigned myself to that. It is what it is. It's a shame - I miss the old Sid - but I honestly don't see how it can return to the way it was "back then".

So - do what you must. Stay. Leave. Argue. Kiss and make up.. Whatever you think is best - just do it...

[Shelby07]

You are at odds with Bill because you don't understand Bill. If you understood him, you would not be at odds with him. Believe me - it's true.

Bill is not a big green ogre. Bill is Bill. He's brash - he's loud - many times he's obnoxious - but Bill is a very stand up, trustworthy guy. Agree with his politics or not - Like his personality or not - Bill really is the kind of person you'd want to be a member of your cigar board if you really wanted it to be a good place to be.

Sid - you did screw up big time. You've done things you'd would be all over others for doing. I know you really don't think you screwed up. I having serious doubts you'll ever understand how or where you screwed up. And I see you growing more bitter by the day. I've resigned myself to that. It is what it is. It's a shame - I miss the old Sid - but I honestly don't see how it can return to the way it was "back then".

So - do what you must. Stay. Leave. Argue. Kiss and make up.. Whatever you think is best - just do it...

You know, George, I'm a nice, stand up, trustworthy guy, too, in my own way. So is Sid in his own way. In fact, Sid has gone out of his way to help people feel comfortable on this board and to help people on and off this board. I don't understand how you can say that it's OK for Bill to bully, try to intimidate, stalk and abuse others just because he's a "nice guy."

You say Bill is the kind of guy you would want on a cigar board. Maybe you want a person who is constantly at odds with one person or another for one thing or another, somebody who is always in the middle of whatever controversy is going on, and a guy who stalks other members and drives people away from your board, ignores your requests as the board operator and uses the forum as his own personal sandbox, but I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't understand how you can defend that behavior while condemning Sid in the same breath. I can only assume that you are defending him because he is your friend, but his past behavior tells me you are just plain wrong to side with him on this.

I have been visiting other boards here lately and I have to say that this is the only one where personal attacks on individual members is condoned. I don't understand it and I don't want to continue to see it. Since I can't change things here, the only way I can get it out of my life is to go away.

So the bottom line is that he will be free to continue his little tantrums while he's being a nice stand-up guy. I have chosen to respect Hex's request. If Bill had done the same maybe we wouldn't be here, but I don't think Bill will ever respect anyone but himself. So I will leave rather than continue to look over my shoulder. He has not made me feel welcome or even comfortable on this board. I didn't come on this board to be stalked and abused, yet that is exactly what Bill has done. Rather than disrespect the wishes of the guy who pays the bills and provides the board. I will leave. Just remember what a good guy Bill is the next time he runs somebody off.

By the way, if it's ever going to return to the way it was "back then" everybody involved has to commit to it. It can't be all one sided.

[ggiese]

You know, George, I'm a nice, stand up, trustworthy guy, too, in my own way. So is Sid in his own way. In fact, Sid has gone out of his way to help people feel comfortable on this board and to help people on and off this board. I don't understand how you can say that it's OK for Bill to bully, try to intimidate, stalk and abuse others just because he's a "nice guy."

You say Bill is the kind of guy you would want on a cigar board. Maybe you want a person who is constantly at odds with one person or another for one thing or another, somebody who is always in the middle of whatever controversy is going on, and a guy who stalks other members and drives people away from your board, ignores your requests as the board operator and uses the forum as his own personal sandbox, but I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't understand how you can defend that behavior while condemning Sid in the same breath. I can only assume that you are defending him because he is your friend, but his past behavior tells me you are just plain wrong to side with him on this.

I have been visiting other boards here lately and I have to say that this is the only one where personal attacks on individual members is condoned. I don't understand it and I don't want to continue to see it. Since I can't change things here, the only way I can get it out of my life is to go away.

So the bottom line is that he will be free to continue his little tantrums while he's being a nice stand-up guy. I have chosen to respect Hex's request. If Bill had done the same maybe we wouldn't be here, but I don't think Bill will ever respect anyone but himself. So I will leave rather than continue to look over my shoulder. He has not made me feel welcome or even comfortable on this board. I didn't come on this board to be stalked and abused, yet that is exactly what Bill has done. Rather than disrespect the wishes of the guy who pays the bills and provides the board. I will leave. Just remember what a good guy Bill is the next time he runs somebody off.

By the way, if it's ever going to return to the way it was "back then" everybody involved has to commit to it. It can't be all one sided.

I don't think you'll disagree that if you only have a short glimpse of something, it sure could be skewed. If you take a longer look, it tends to be more realistic.

You must have patience...

[CoventryCat86]

The story brings up a question as to whether or not it is more important to save one person from incorrect prosecution as opposed to occasionally incarcerating one person incorrectly for the good of society. It also seems to bring up some pretty interesting discussion points about the inadequacies of law enforcement to look for relevant evidence in a case.

Of course, it's not nearly as interesting as some guy in Chicago who owns a hot dog stand being fined $250.

Hefty, and others - I wouldn't worry too much about replying to Bill's nonsense posts. Let's get this all out in the open once and for all...

Bill is just trolling for a fight that Sid and I are not going to give him. I would suggest that others just ignore these kinds of posts from him. Bill has been stalking me and Sid ever since we had a little political disagreement last year. We have tried not to reply to him only because of a request that Hex made to all of us involved in the disagreement last year, including Bill. Hex has been tearing his hair out with Bill trying to get him to let the past go, but Bill just continues to be an irritant. Apparantly he wont consider the job finished until Sid and I either leave the board or get banned.

Now that it's out in the open, I will say publically that I have a couple of things going on the board, I have my anniversary contest going, I am involved in the Birthday club and Chefchris and I are trying to pull a herf together in Atlanta at the end of May - which I will make. I have told Hex, as has Sid, that come June I am gone. It really hurts that I have to leave this board. I have made quite a few friends here, but I can't see continuing here knowing that it's just a matter of time before Bill starts up again.

So there you go Bill. Just stick around until June and you will "win." No need to harass me any more, you've accomplished your mission.

Now, let's see what other names you can pull out of your ass for me.

If you're leaving, I'm leaving..........


Tell me where you're going

[Shelby07]

If you're leaving, I'm leaving..........


Tell me where you're going

What a NICE GUY!

[ggiese]

What a NICE GUY!

C'mon, Shelby! He wants a hug!!

What - you don't like hugs??

[Shelby07]

C'mon, Shelby! He wants a hug!!

What - you don't like hugs??

Well, I tried a group hug once and he turned on me like a rabied dog. Ever since then life has been grand. Wanna see the post that started it all? Here it is.

I was being a real asshole, eh?

[CoventryCat86]

Well, I tried a group hug once and he turned on me like a rabied dog. Ever since then life has been grand. Wanna see the post that started it all? Here it is.

I was being a real asshole, eh?

Why do you lie with your "rabied(sic) dog" nonsense? Your post was downright ridiculous and my repsonse to it was logical and made sense and never mentioned the word "asshole" in the first response. You really are and continue to be pathetic.

My displeasure with you came long before that post you quoted. You've had a bug up your ass about me for long before that so quit trying to play the wounded rabbit routine here shelby, that dog won't hunt.

So shelby, you sure whine and make up a whole lot of complete BS about me yet you don't find sid's behavior the least bit objectionable? He's downright nasty, vulgar, rude and insulting to MANY new people and drives many people away from here.

Your extreme rantings, ridiculously warped opinions of me and your outright lies only prove that you're not grounded in reality which is an observation I've made about you in the past and you continue to prove me correct, thanks!!

You talk about George "being just plain wrong" but you ought to look in the mirror yourself. Do you really think it's okay for sid to post hate-filled anti homosexual videos on this site?

[Shelby07]

What a NICE GUY!