One of my favorite quotes by Charles Barkley - "Poor people have been voting for democrats for the last 50 years, and they're still poor."
The whole tax issue is laughable. The top 20% earners in the U.S. pay 83% of all federal income tax revenue. The top 1% pay 34%. Most low and middle income earners pay very little to no federal income tax, and usually get a return. The system Obama proposes won't be any better than the current system. You read a few articles by reputable experts and it's pretty obvious Obama just wanted to get low and middle income votes by his 'tax proposal'.
If anyone thinks that repubs and dems are significantly different these days, they're crazy. I don't affiliate with either side anymore. They both want bigger gov't, they both want to spend more money, they both want to continue with a foreign policy that will leave us bankrupt, and they both want to slowly take away our freedoms. I use to think my old man was crazy when he would rant about corporations ultimately controlling the gov't. The older I get the more I see that he's right. I would have voted Ron Paul all the way if he had enough money to get on the ballot.
Hey guys, take it to the politics section.
What's that? You say there is no politics section???
Hmmm, must be a reason behind that. So why don't you all give it a rest. If you want to butt heads, or measure dicks or whatever it is you think you are doing, take it to PM.
"...all roads lead to cigars."
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"Fuck I just like smoking. Who am I kidding?"
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Oh good grief, I'm just kidding with hefty, I have nothing against the guy...I'll stop before everyone's head blows up...
I forgot the politics rule, I apologize...
"...all roads lead to cigars."
-Cinda
"You will not change this forum. Simple as that. Accept it or move on, or you will be escorted from the premises."
-Shagaroo
"Maybe you should just stop trying to be witty?"
-Ashauler
"Rule 17: Don’t turn your back on bears, men you have wronged, or the dominant turkey during mating season."
-Dwight Schrute
"Fuck I just like smoking. Who am I kidding?"
-Badwhale
"If you want to start a fuckin' hobby, start it."
-Shelby07
"...all roads lead to cigars."
-Cinda
"You will not change this forum. Simple as that. Accept it or move on, or you will be escorted from the premises."
-Shagaroo
"Maybe you should just stop trying to be witty?"
-Ashauler
"Rule 17: Don’t turn your back on bears, men you have wronged, or the dominant turkey during mating season."
-Dwight Schrute
"Fuck I just like smoking. Who am I kidding?"
-Badwhale
"If you want to start a fuckin' hobby, start it."
-Shelby07
You know his (Barry's) MO. He comes in and stirs some shit but if he's ignored he usually slinks off.
Let's let him do some slinking.
Last edited by heftysmokes; 04-21-2009 at 03:22 PM. Reason: clarification
"...all roads lead to cigars."
-Cinda
"You will not change this forum. Simple as that. Accept it or move on, or you will be escorted from the premises."
-Shagaroo
"Maybe you should just stop trying to be witty?"
-Ashauler
"Rule 17: Don’t turn your back on bears, men you have wronged, or the dominant turkey during mating season."
-Dwight Schrute
"Fuck I just like smoking. Who am I kidding?"
-Badwhale
"If you want to start a fuckin' hobby, start it."
-Shelby07
Funny, I found plenty of information very easily. Oh, I know what your problem is...first you have to look somewhere other than FOX.
Nationwide, billionaires are richer and more numerous for the second year in a row, according to Forbes magazine 2005 survey. The Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans starts at $750 million and 78 percent of them were billionaires in 2004. In the past year, 69 more Americans became billionaires, which gives the country almost half the world's billionaires. In 2004, the combined net worth of the nation's wealthiest was $1 trillion, an increase of $45 billion in one year; they increased their wealth by $300 billion providing truth to the term "the rich get richer."
At the same time, the common working person's dreams of wealth become harder to achieve. Wages for most Americans didn't improve from 1979 to 1998 and the median male wage in 2000 was below the 1979 level despite productivity increases of 44.5 percent. Despite gains made in income during the 1990s, wages are now on a downward spiral. In May, The Financial Times reported that wages are falling faster than at any time in the last 14 years. Meanwhile hidden unemployment soars as U.S. economists declare a "jobless recovery."
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007...ns_isaacs.aspxContrary to American beliefs about equality of opportunity, a child’s economic position is heavily influenced by that of his or her parents.
• Forty-two percent of children born to parents in the bottom fifth of the income distribution remain in the bottom, while 39 percent born to parents in the top fifth remain at the top.
• Children of middle-income parents have a near-equal likelihood of ending up in any other quintile, presenting equal promise and peril for those born to middle-class parents.
• The "rags to riches" story is much more common in Hollywood than on Main Street. Only 6 percent of children born to parents with family income at the very bottom move to the very top.
Now I'll "slink" off for awhile before hefty and ash get their panties bunched up any more than they are now.
The Pew Charitable Trust and Julia Isaac's report. That sure would be "plenty" of information...
Yep - your'e right - nothing on Fox...
Of course - Nothing on ABC, CBS...
Oh, Look! Nothing on NBC... Strange...
And - most importantly - nothing on CNN either !!!
...as a matter of fact. Aside from a few NPR stations carrying the info, it was nowhere else. Geez... I wonder why???
Maybe I'll give it a ouple of more weeks.
Remember to breathe
I agree with you Barry on all of these.
Barry, you point out that most of the "rich" inherited their money, what's wrong with that? Can you explain why you perceive this as a problem that needs to be remedied?
That is truly one thing I truly don't understand about liberalism/communism/socialism.
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