Budget Box Pass

[CAJUNBLAZE]

Those are Will's calcs. Rich's are closer, I have 35 at a couple dollars more than the Short Boli, not $5.

Rich, you put up your list first, so you don't have adjust your lower-end p/t. If you want to change them, then please go ahead, of course. Going first always means that you get the most discussion .

Going forward from Rich, please keep it closer on the under-$10 sticks. When I built the pass, I was looking for a mix of $1-$3 sticks, $3-$6, $6-$12, and over $12 sticks. Let's try and keep it that way.

I was also concerned about the price increase.

I was more concerned on taking ISOM and replacing them with ISOM, especially since this pass has an ISOM for non-ISOM rule. That is very hard to do at an average of 2.25 a stick. I think once we get to a certain point they're will be more sticks closer in value to trade. I also wanted to diversify the puts to offer more choices in brand.

If anyone thinks any of the trades are to off please let me know, I will change them.

On that note, I am changing one trade.

Removing:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 La Riqueza No. 2, $7.25(pd)
Adding:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 Rocky Patel Decade Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

I would like to know what the pass participants think about this change:

Removing:
Take: #6 Oliva O M Torp, $5.59 - Put: #30 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
Adding:
Take: 4 Padron 1926 80th M $30.80 - Put: #30 Opus X Scorpio 2005, $33.75(pd)

Rich

[ashauler]

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I would like to know what the pass participants think about this change:

Removing:
Take: #6 Oliva O M Torp, $5.59 - Put: #30 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
Adding:
Take: 4 Padron 1926 80th M $30.80 - Put: #30 Opus X Scorpio 2005, $33.75(pd)

Rich

I'm no rare/HTF fuente expert for sure since collecting isn't my deal. Isn't the scorpio one of the CFCF 22 fun box cigars? The splits I've seen on these were in the $40/stick range IIRC.

I think I have seen them in 4 cigar packs too, but I'm not sure of the pricing...maybe $150 or so for the 4pack.

[CAJUNBLAZE]

I'm no rare/HTF fuente expert for sure since collecting isn't my deal. Isn't the scorpio one of the CFCF 22 fun box cigars? The splits I've seen on these were in the $40/stick range IIRC.

I think I have seen them in 4 cigar packs too, but I'm not sure of the pricing...maybe $150 or so for the 4pack.

I paid 135.00 for the four pack, back in December.

The pass is safely in th US. I will go through it tonight make sure everything is ok.

What about the trades and Mrtr33 are you ready? how was the crawfish boil?
Cigarcyclopedia has the Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03 not $17.00

New trades waiting for approval:
Maduro tray:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 Rocky Patel Decade Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

Take: #6 Oliva O M Torp, $5.59 - Put: #30 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
OR
Take: 4 Padron 1926 80th M $30.80 - Put: #30 Opus X Scorpio 2005, $33.75(pd)
Would like feedback on this trade What would you rather see traded?


Triple corta tray:
Take: #10 Quintero Breva, $2.40 - Put #31 Cuaba Divinos 2008, $3.81
Take: #13 Por Larrañaga Panatela, $2.49 - Put #32 Punch Petit Punch 2007, $4.00(pd)

Long Stick tray:
Take: #16 Cohiba EL 06 Pyramid, $25.99 - Put #33 God of Fire Carlito Piramide '05, $28.98
Take: #17 Partagás Presidente, $7.05 - Put #34 Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008, $7.60

Long-Filler tray:
Take #22 Bolivar Short Bolivar RE A/P, $11.84 - Put #35 Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03
Take #24 Bolivar Belicoso Fino, $ 7.86 - Put #36 Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008, $7.87


Rich

[craig]

I paid 135.00 for the four pack, back in December.

The pass is safely in th US. I will go through it tonight make sure everything is ok.

What about the trades and Mrtr33 are you ready? how was the crawfish boil?
Cigarcyclopedia has the Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03 not $17.00

New trades waiting for approval:
Maduro tray:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 Rocky Patel Decade Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

Take: #6 Oliva O M Torp, $5.59 - Put: #30 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
OR
Take: 4 Padron 1926 80th M $30.80 - Put: #30 Opus X Scorpio 2005, $33.75(pd)
Would like feedback on this trade What would you rather see traded?


Triple corta tray:
Take: #10 Quintero Breva, $2.40 - Put #31 Cuaba Divinos 2008, $3.81
Take: #13 Por Larrañaga Panatela, $2.49 - Put #32 Punch Petit Punch 2007, $4.00(pd)

Long Stick tray:
Take: #16 Cohiba EL 06 Pyramid, $25.99 - Put #33 God of Fire Carlito Piramide '05, $28.98
Take: #17 Partagás Presidente, $7.05 - Put #34 Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008, $7.60

Long-Filler tray:
Take #22 Bolivar Short Bolivar RE A/P, $11.84 - Put #35 Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03
Take #24 Bolivar Belicoso Fino, $ 7.86 - Put #36 Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008, $7.87


Rich

I can't find this one. I can find Decades, Double Maduro Churchills (at $5.99, a.k.a. Fusion MM's), but not a Decade Double Maduro Churchill. This being Rocky, I'm not denying the existence .

[mrtr33]

What about the trades and Mrtr33 are you ready?

I am ready. I will post my puts / takes once Rich's are finalized.

[craig]

UPDATE: PASS was in Rich's city this morning! All comments on Rich's puts/takes today, please!

I was also concerned about the price increase.

I was more concerned on taking ISOM and replacing them with ISOM, especially since this pass has an ISOM for non-ISOM rule. That is very hard to do at an average of 2.25 a stick. I think once we get to a certain point they're will be more sticks closer in value to trade. I also wanted to diversify the puts to offer more choices in brand.

If anyone thinks any of the trades are to off please let me know, I will change them.

On that note, I am changing one trade.

Removing:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 La Riqueza No. 2, $7.25(pd)
Adding:
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #29 Rocky Patel Decade Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

I would like to know what the pass participants think about this change:

Removing:
Take: #6 Oliva O M Torp, $5.59 - Put: #30 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
Adding:
Take: 4 Padron 1926 80th M $30.80 - Put: #30 Opus X Scorpio 2005, $33.75(pd)

Rich

Whoops, I should have been clearer on this:
If you take an ISOM, you can put an ISOM or a non-ISOM
If you take a non-ISOM, you can put a non-ISOM or an ISOM.
In other words, country of origin doesn't matter in this pass.

Some more comments, but not directed solely at Rich:

- It is fine with me that the pass ends up 100% non-ISOM. I expect that.

- If, say, someone later in the pass really wanted to try some cigars in the starting lineup, but when the pass got to them, those cigars were all gone, then PM me and I'll be happy to make arrangements outside the pass.

- One doesn't have to take eight sticks, i.e., two sticks from each tray. Those are maximums. (There are no minimums.) I don't know why, but what usually happens is the first few people swap more sticks, and then the number of sticks swapped goes down as the pass progresses.

- There are only a couple over-$18 sticks in the pass - the 80th and the Cohiba EL.

- DC#s are normally posted, but discretion is exercised on international shipments.

[mrtr33]

- There are only a couple over-$18 sticks in the pass - the 80th and the Cohiba EL.

Question:

What do other pass participants have #18, the Partagas Salomone Oct 08 listed as?

Also, I can't find the price for an AF Anejo 55. Help is requested.

Thanks again!

Rich's puts look good to me. To address Rich's question about which trade is better, I'm indifferent. I am interested in the Cabiguan, but then again, I'm also interested in the Oliva O. The Padron 26 and Opus X Scorpion are both out of my league, anyway.

Will be posting my proposed puts/takes after Rich has confirmation on his.

[ashauler]

Question:

What do other pass participants have #18, the Partagas Salomone Oct 08 listed as?

Also, I can't find the price for an AF Anejo 55. Help is requested.
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www.vitolas.net for the Anejo MSRP's.

On the Partagas, I was unable to find it on cigarcyclopedia, but did find some pricing from individual vendors of:
240.00 / 228.00 / 196.63 / 239.95 .....
throw out the lowest = 707.95 / 3 = 235.98 / 10 = 23.60/stick

However, there is an advertisement on this board from May of this year for 190.69 / box that included a freebie......so how's that for muddy!!

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showthread.php?p=129552

[craig]

I had priced the Salomones at under $17 two weeks ago, but just exchange will have inflated its US$ value to around $20 today. Oopsie.

The US$ has tanked badly in the last few days - I figure until the GM (and Opel) things gets decided. Then the dollar will bounce back, IMHO. The current comparison shopper is May 19 - look for changes when the next one comes out.

[CAJUNBLAZE]

I understood the ISOM rules, just didn't want to take ISOM cigars without replacing them with ISOM for people further down the road.

I am leaning toward the Padron for Opus trade. Let me know what you giys think! What would you rather see in the pass?

Rich

[Irish79]

Rich's puts look good to me. To address Rich's question about which trade is better, I'm indifferent. I am interested in the Cabiguan, but then again, I'm also interested in the Oliva O. The Padron 26 and Opus X Scorpion are both out of my league, anyway.

+1 to being interested in both the Oliva & Cabiguan and that the other two cigars are out of my league.

Also, I was away all weekend and missed the discussion on the puts being significantly higher than the takes and wanted to thank everyone for taking it into consideration when finalizing your trades.

Questions:
Is there a norm for box passes to grow in value significantly from the beginning of the pass until the end?

Are contests/prizes usually included with a pass?

[CAJUNBLAZE]

Sorry about that Craig.

I was smoking a Decade while posting, it is the Fusion Double Maduro Churchill.

Rich

[craig]

Sorry about that Craig.

I was smoking a Decade while posting, it is the Fusion Double Maduro Churchill.

Rich

Thanks!

+1 to being interested in both the Oliva & Cabiguan and that the other two cigars are out of my league.

Also, I was away all weekend and missed the discussion on the puts being significantly higher than the takes and wanted to thank everyone for taking it into consideration when finalizing your trades.

Questions:
Is there a norm for box passes to grow in value significantly from the beginning of the pass until the end?

Are contests/prizes usually included with a pass?

To varying degrees, yes, and yes.

[CAJUNBLAZE]

Maduro tray:
Take: #1 Padron 6000 Maduro, $5.99 - Put #29 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #30 Rocky Patel Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

Triple corta tray:
Take: #10 Quintero Breva, $2.40 - Put #31 Cuaba Divinos 2008, $3.81
Take: #13 Por Larrañaga Panatela, $2.49 - Put #32 Punch Petit Punch 2007, $4.00(pd)

Long Stick tray:
Take: #16 Cohiba EL 06 Pyramid, $25.99 - Put #33 God of Fire Carlito Piramide '05, $28.98
Take: #17 Partagás Presidente, $7.05 - Put #34 Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008, $7.60

Long-Filler tray:
Take #22 Bolivar Short Bolivar RE A/P, $11.84 - Put #35 Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03
Take #24 Bolivar Belicoso Fino, $ 7.86 - Put #36 Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008, $7.87

These are my final put and takes, if agreed upon by the pass.

Rich

[craig]

Maduro tray:
Take: #1 Padron 6000 Maduro, $5.99 - Put #29 Cabaiguan Guapo RX, $ 7.12
Take: #3 Padron Executive, $5.87 - Put: #30 Rocky Patel Double Maduro Churchill, $5.97

Triple corta tray:
Take: #10 Quintero Breva, $2.40 - Put #31 Cuaba Divinos 2008, $3.81
Take: #13 Por Larrañaga Panatela, $2.49 - Put #32 Punch Petit Punch 2007, $4.00(pd)

Long Stick tray:
Take: #16 Cohiba EL 06 Pyramid, $25.99 - Put #33 God of Fire Carlito Piramide '05, $28.98
Take: #17 Partagás Presidente, $7.05 - Put #34 Vegas Robaina Unicos 2008, $7.60

Long-Filler tray:
Take #22 Bolivar Short Bolivar RE A/P, $11.84 - Put #35 Romeo Y Julieta EL 2007, $12.03
Take #24 Bolivar Belicoso Fino, $ 7.86 - Put #36 Cohiba Maduro 5 Secreto 2008, $7.87

These are my final put and takes, if agreed upon by the pass.

Rich

Good to go from my end! I will update the first post, and, contrary to prior statements, I'll have the value column in there while the pass is in progress (this original post is authoritative).

Thanks for playing! I'll need your two squares too, please (e.g., A4, D2)

Mrtr33, you're up!

[ashauler]

Questions:
Is there a norm for box passes to grow in value significantly from the beginning of the pass until the end?

Are contests/prizes usually included with a pass?

It would be next to impossible for a pass, properly completed, not to increase in value during its course.

Significantly increase, I dunno, I guess it would be to each ones definition as to what is significant. It should not be the objective of the pass, but rather a by-product.

[Irish79]

It would be next to impossible for a pass, properly completed, not to increase in value during its course.

Significantly increase, I dunno, I guess it would be to each ones definition as to what is significant. It should not be the objective of the pass, but rather a by-product.

I completely agree that a properly complete pass should increase in value (not that I'm an expert, but from what I've gathered from reading this thread, in addition to others), "leave the pass better than you found it".

I guess I was wondering what the "acceptable" range was for a "put" to be over a "take". I understand that they should be as close as possible, but in the case of Rich's first listing of takes/puts, you singled out the trades that were over a $1 difference, which seems like a good guideline to me.

[CAJUNBLAZE]

I completely agree that a properly complete pass should increase in value (not that I'm an expert, but from what I've gathered from reading this thread, in addition to others), "leave the pass better than you found it".

I guess I was wondering what the "acceptable" range was for a "put" to be over a "take". I understand that they should be as close as possible, but in the case of Rich's first listing of takes/puts, you singled out the trades that were over a $1 difference, which seems like a good guideline to me.

That has been my philosophy on passes. I do understand trying to keep it in the same range, but it's not as easy as it looks. It will be a little easier knowing some of the agreed upon prices of the cigars being added to the pass.

Rich

[ashauler]

I completely agree that a properly complete pass should increase in value (not that I'm an expert, but from what I've gathered from reading this thread, in addition to others), "leave the pass better than you found it".

I guess I was wondering what the "acceptable" range was for a "put" to be over a "take". I understand that they should be as close as possible, but in the case of Rich's first listing of takes/puts, you singled out the trades that were over a $1 difference, which seems like a good guideline to me.

I try to keep within this range. Granted, it's not always easy and I don't always make it but I stay as close as my stash will allow. If I can't do it, I'll pass on the stick before I'll put a $3-4 dollar more expensive stick in.

That has been my philosophy on passes. I do understand trying to keep it in the same range, but it's not as easy as it looks. It will be a little easier knowing some of the agreed upon prices of the cigars being added to the pass.

Rich

I completely understand Rich, and hope that you know I wasn't "picking" on you in any way. I just wanted to get a clear understanding out there.