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    Benjamin Franklin's speech on the last day of the Constitutional Convention.

    Mr. President

    I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in Religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Steele a Protestant in a Dedication tells the Pope, that the only difference between our Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrines is, the Church of Rome is infallible and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens, Sister but I meet with no body but myself, that's always in the right-Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison."

    In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred.

    On the whole, Sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.
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    Will you PLEASE stop wasting bandwidth with your BS posts? You really make yourself look pathetic when you continue to post garbage.

    The 4th of July celebrates the Declaration of Independence, (July 4, 1776) NOT the end of the Constitutional Convention which was ELEVEN years later in 1787.

    The steady stream of bullshit never ends from you does it Scroto?
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    I'm worried. This guy is a Social Studies teacher, charged with teaching our brightest minds the story of our being... How confused his poor students must be after taking one of his classes. Sad....

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    Scroto's students probably know more than he does. What an idiot

    Scotty did John Hancock sign the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, or BOTH?

    Maybe that was too hard of a question, let's try something easier:

    Are the "Declaration of Independence" and the "Constitution" different names for the same document?

    What's the Capitol of Nebraska? (Hint, it's NOT Sutton or Hooterville and it's in the eastern end of the state).
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    I absolutely love Franklin's speech on the constitution. While we celebrate independence, it's really something else to keep in mind the monumental task that independence and the eventual creation of the constitution truly were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFG75
    I absolutely love Franklin's speech on the constitution. While we celebrate independence, it's really something else to keep in mind the monumental task that independence and the eventual creation of the constitution truly were.
    Nice way to try and bullshit yourself out of this one
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    And just think....France's independence day is coming as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFG75
    And just think....France's independence day is coming as well.

    Why don't you carry your sorry ass over there, you were made for each other.....

    BTW, saw your new pic on the island....I knew you didn't swallow.....

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    Crap!, forgot all about cinco de mayo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFG75
    Crap!, forgot all about cinco de mayo.
    *Through the translator machine*

    HEX, OH HEX. HEX, PLEASE BAN THESE GUYS - THEY KEEP TORTURING ME - THEY DESERVE TO BE BANNED - THEY'RE POSTING THE WRONG STUFF IN THIS THREAD AND DESERVE TO BE BANNED - WHY DO WE HAVE RULES IF PEOPLE AREN'T BANNED - WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A NEW MODERATOR - I GOTTA SUCK UP TO HIM SO I CAN GET THESE GUYS SHUT DOWN - THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MESS UP MY BEING AT THIS PLACE LIKE THEY DID THE ISLAND - I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO GO - PLEASE, HEX - BAN, BAN, BAN, BAN, BAN....

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    I wonder if Ben Franklin preferred plain yogurt or flavored yogurt?

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    Scrote prefers milknads.....

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    I just love this picture....



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    OH YEAH, Scroto used that for his avatar when Zac this child gave him moderator powers over on the Island of the Misfit Toys.

    Zac will regret that move for the rest of his life
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    Hey, CC - have you read this book???





    I think it was written by one of Scotty's former students...

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