Cigars made in America

[kevin7]

Factory throwouts are fucking vile shitsticks,Ive smoked a few and they taste like smoking wrapping paper or a Carlton 120

[ggiese]

Factory throwouts are fucking vile shitsticks,Ive smoked a few and they taste like smoking wrapping paper or a Carlton 120

Exactly my point, Kevin. If your purpose in smoking a cigar is to generate smoke - what difference does it make what the hell is inside that cigar. It might as well be straw, right?

I can see someone making an "intelligent" argument that machine made cigars "smoke" just like a premium made hand made cigar. However, there can be no intelligent argument that the experience is the same...

[badwhale]

Exactly my point, Kevin. If your purpose in smoking a cigar is to generate smoke - what difference does it make what the hell is inside that cigar. It might as well be straw, right?

I can see someone making an "intelligent" argument that machine made cigars "smoke" just like a premium made hand made cigar. However, there can be no intelligent argument that the experience is the same...

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I was a Boy Scout. We tried rolling up plain old oak leaves by the fire, and trying to smoke them. I also remember distinctly trying to roll - roll your own tobacco in plain paper and trying to smoke it.

Ah, those days are long past.

[TheGreekTitan]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I was a Boy Scout. We tried rolling up plain old oak leaves by the fire, and trying to smoke them. I also remember distinctly trying to roll - roll your own tobacco in plain paper and trying to smoke it.

Ah, those days are long past.

My cousin and I actually smoked a spent firecracker pre teen and apparently pre brains. At the time it was great! I don't plan on doing that ever again. Funny what a little knowledge and experience will get you.

[CptnBlues63]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I was a Boy Scout. We tried rolling up plain old oak leaves by the fire, and trying to smoke them. I also remember distinctly trying to roll - roll your own tobacco in plain paper and trying to smoke it.

Ah, those days are long past.

Back when I was like 10 while out at the lake, my brother talked me into smoking a piece of dried up reed (you know, the tall green water plants that are about finger size in diameter and grow several feet taller than the water level - usually along the shore). I wouldn't do it unless he did, so we found a dried one laying up on the shore and made ourselves cigarettes out of them and lit up.

I also remember running out of papers once upon a time and rolling a cigarette with newspaper. It was harsh as hell, but when you're an addict, you do what you have to.....

[webmost]

Guys.

I dunno. I don't understand the vitriol and animosity. True, I built the FX web site. I read an article about them, called them up, ordered some sticks, liked them, they had no site, I'm a web geek, so I made them one. I got a shirt and a couple boxes of samples and a factory tour. If it ever gets off the ground I they may give me a buck or two. Who knows what the future holds? I also host a web forum for a guy who wholesales tobacco leaf for roll their own types. He was having trouble with his host, needed a better server. I have a sever for other business purposes, so it costs me nothing. He did insist on sending me some money. I admit it. Some people are like that; they feel they have to pay you. I also made and host a site for a Kentucky tobacco farmer... thetobaccobutcher.com . He gave me a pound of Kentucky fire cured, and a buddy and I camped overnight on his farm, and his wife made us dinner. I hope to roll some fire cured sticks up when it thaws out. I like to hobby around. I am employed by a company which works to reduce the unemployment compensation tax rate which the employer pays. I am not an employee of FX Smiths. Either way, how's that affect the taste of a John Hay? There's another guy I discovered who sells leaf in Lancaster County. I intend to get hold of him this Spring once it thaws enough to ride up there. He needs a web site. Would that affect the quality of his leaf?

Johnny Sotweedseed is a hobby project also. I was planning a motorcycle camping ride down the Blue Ridge Parkway. I packed up a dozen little cookie canisters with cigars. Couple Factory Throwout Sungrown, couple Cusano Preferidos, couple other equally mild sticks suitable for beginners in each, along with a box of matches, a punch, and a humi pack. Down the ridge I went. Each camp fire I sat beside, if I spotted a cigarette smoker or if someone expressed interest in my cigar, I'd hit them with a canister. That's the idea of Johnny Sotweedseed -- sowing the pleasure of cigar smoking. Like Johnny Appleseed but with tobacco. What's wrong with that? It was fun.

At the same time, I have nothing to do with Flatbed or Panacea, other than I met the guy at a street fair, and I do think his wine and cigar trail is a unique idea. At least I have not seen any others. I recommend his Panacea green label. Try that. I likewise have nothing to do with Kentucky Black, Avanti, John Hay, Muniemaker... or Topper. I think I left out Topper before; but I recommended the others. Try any of them. I believe you can find an American cigar you like, if you appreciate the unique broadleaf flavor. I happen to know more about the FX line, of course; but the few Muniemakers I have tried are alright, and the Panaceas are top notch. I warn you, if you buy them at a street fair on a hot summer day, you want to bring them home and let them rest.

I've done a little research. I found that Tatuaje rolls a cigar called La Casita Criolla out of all broadleaf -- wrapper, binder, and filler. An American puro rolled overseas. I have not tried one. I have zero relation to Tatuaje. I am beting it will have that signature American broadleaf flavor If you just have to have a Spanish named cigar rolled by torcedors, try that one. Then if you like the Broadleaf flavor, you can get that flavor in America, though you will have to put up with your despised machines, because Americans gave up tedious hand work in favor of labor saving machinery a hundred some years ago. Not every machine made is a White Owl. That is a fact. Some are all leaf and good smokes. So if you like broadleaf, then by all means do not buy an FX Smith, go and buy a Muniemaker or a Topper or a Marsh. They have loads of flavors to sample. What you save on the band you can keep in your pocket.

Let me end with this analogy: I ride an expensive and advanced BMW R1200CLC motorcycle. I belong to their forum at chromeheads.com . I also built and host the web site r1200clc.com, because there is a need for a place with service manuals. I host the acklnowledged R12C guru at pokiespages.com. Nobody pays me for this stuff. It needed done. Several times a year a beemer rider will come to my house for maintenance projects. I put them up in the guest room if need be. They may give me a box of cigars or nothing. I also ride a cheapo and primitive 2007 Kawasaki KLR650. I belong to several forums. There's a wealth of info on the web already for KLRs, because they are a madly popular model. So I have made zero sites for KLRs. Here is the thing tho: When I go to chromeheads and extol the virtues of the KLR nobody gets their panties in a bunch. When I go to klr650.net and extol the virtues of the beemer cruiser, nobody gets all pissy about that.

But then, neither of those groups are convinced that the only bike worth riding is a hand built $70,000 custom from Orange County Choppers, either.

[badwhale]

Guys.

I dunno. I don't understand the vitriol and animosity. True, I built the FX web site. I read an article about them, called them up, ordered some sticks, liked them, they had no site, I'm a web geek, so I made them one. I got a shirt and a couple boxes of samples and a factory tour. If it ever gets off the ground I they may give me a buck or two. Who knows what the future holds? I also host a web forum for a guy who wholesales tobacco leaf for roll their own types. He was having trouble with his host, needed a better server. I have a sever for other business purposes, so it costs me nothing. He did insist on sending me some money. I admit it. Some people are like that; they feel they have to pay you. I also made and host a site for a Kentucky tobacco farmer... thetobaccobutcher.com . He gave me a pound of Kentucky fire cured, and a buddy and I camped overnight on his farm, and his wife made us dinner. I hope to roll some fire cured sticks up when it thaws out. I like to hobby around. I am employed by a company which works to reduce the unemployment compensation tax rate which the employer pays. I am not an employee of FX Smiths. Either way, how's that affect the taste of a John Hay? There's another guy I discovered who sells leaf in Lancaster County. I intend to get hold of him this Spring once it thaws enough to ride up there. He needs a web site. Would that affect the quality of his leaf?

Johnny Sotweedseed is a hobby project also. I was planning a motorcycle camping ride down the Blue Ridge Parkway. I packed up a dozen little cookie canisters with cigars. Couple Factory Throwout Sungrown, couple Cusano Preferidos, couple other equally mild sticks suitable for beginners in each, along with a box of matches, a punch, and a humi pack. Down the ridge I went. Each camp fire I sat beside, if I spotted a cigarette smoker or if someone expressed interest in my cigar, I'd hit them with a canister. That's the idea of Johnny Sotweedseed -- sowing the pleasure of cigar smoking. Like Johnny Appleseed but with tobacco. What's wrong with that? It was fun.

At the same time, I have nothing to do with Flatbed or Panacea, other than I met the guy at a street fair, and I do think his wine and cigar trail is a unique idea. At least I have not seen any others. I recommend his Panacea green label. Try that. I likewise have nothing to do with Kentucky Black, Avanti, John Hay, Muniemaker... or Topper. I think I left out Topper before; but I recommended the others. Try any of them. I believe you can find an American cigar you like, if you appreciate the unique broadleaf flavor. I happen to know more about the FX line, of course; but the few Muniemakers I have tried are alright, and the Panaceas are top notch. I warn you, if you buy them at a street fair on a hot summer day, you want to bring them home and let them rest.

I've done a little research. I found that Tatuaje rolls a cigar called La Casita Criolla out of all broadleaf -- wrapper, binder, and filler. An American puro rolled overseas. I have not tried one. I have zero relation to Tatuaje. I am beting it will have that signature American broadleaf flavor If you just have to have a Spanish named cigar rolled by torcedors, try that one. Then if you like the Broadleaf flavor, you can get that flavor in America, though you will have to put up with your despised machines, because Americans gave up tedious hand work in favor of labor saving machinery a hundred some years ago. Not every machine made is a White Owl. That is a fact. Some are all leaf and good smokes. So if you like broadleaf, then by all means do not buy an FX Smith, go and buy a Muniemaker or a Topper or a Marsh. They have loads of flavors to sample. What you save on the band you can keep in your pocket.

Let me end with this analogy: I ride an expensive and advanced BMW R1200CLC motorcycle. I belong to their forum at chromeheads.com . I also built and host the web site r1200clc.com, because there is a need for a place with service manuals. I host the acklnowledged R12C guru at pokiespages.com. Nobody pays me for this stuff. It needed done. Several times a year a beemer rider will come to my house for maintenance projects. I put them up in the guest room if need be. They may give me a box of cigars or nothing. I also ride a cheapo and primitive 2007 Kawasaki KLR650. I belong to several forums. There's a wealth of info on the web already for KLRs, because they are a madly popular model. So I have made zero sites for KLRs. Here is the thing tho: When I go to chromeheads and extol the virtues of the KLR nobody gets their panties in a bunch. When I go to klr650.net and extol the virtues of the beemer cruiser, nobody gets all pissy about that.

But then, neither of those groups are convinced that the only bike worth riding is a hand built $70,000 custom from Orange County Choppers, either.

This is an absolutely terrible analogy. Especially if you're trying to draw a comparison between cigars and motorcycles.

[ashauler]

What animosity and vitriol? You revived this thread with what was close to an advertisement for some American machine made cigars. You were asked if you worked for them, and you ignored the question and proceeded to tell us all the difference between pedigreed dogs and mutts from the shelter. Take a look at my avatar. Does that look like an AKC registered pure-breed to you? Hell, he even suffers the indignity of being called a poodle by some of the goof-balls on this board.

Then you feel the need to teach us that the quality of the cigar isn't related to the beauty of it's band. BTW, those Ave Maria's have one of the most obnoxious bands I've ever seen. I don't understand why you'd buy any cigars other than machine rolled, after all, the only difference is the cost and the band.

snip..... I've done a little research. I found that Tatuaje rolls a cigar called La Casita Criolla out of all broadleaf -- wrapper, binder, and filler....

Research? What, like reading post #19 on this thread?

[ggiese]

Guys.

I dunno. I don't understand the vitriol and animosity.

I can see someone making an "intelligent" argument that machine made cigars "smoke" just like a premium made hand made cigar. However, there can be no intelligent argument that the experience is the same...

I have to believe you're not so ignorant to believe that your BMW R1200CLC and Kawasaki KLR650 are both the same motorcycle (after all - one could argue they are both two wheeled motorized conveyances). I also have to believe you're not so ignorant to believe either of those motorcycles are "machine made" (as "Johnny Sopweedseed" suggests).

I'm not sure my comment was written with "vitriol" or "animosity", but it does hit the point of why you're getting flak from this community about your statement. Did you really expect to make a sweeping generalization that smoking a machine made cigar is exactly the same as smoking a hand rolled cigar and not engage in a discussion about your views? Or that folks are foolish for smoking "fancy band" premium cigars over a machine made American made cigar? Is it your thought that if you make such an incredible claim - you'd be greeted with open arms, cake and ice cream? Dude - seriuosly - you seem old enough to understand that it screams of absolute ignornace...

Hey - I've made some wild claims in the past and taken flak for it. I could have either slithered away - or take the beating I deserved and moved on. If you're willing to make a bold stand - just be prepared to defend yourself AND be willing to listen to criticism. You might just learn something through the process...

[kevin7]

I stand by my experience that the absolute best machine made cigar is nowhere as enjoyable as a middle of the line hand made cigar like a Punch or green foot Fuente. I like some things machine made like snickers bars and other things hand made like a fine cigar. You could not give me that BMW bike for free but I would sell my soul for a Kawasaki H2 750 Same for my cars , I love my primitive American car with its screaming V8 and 5 speed manual transmission