How long did it take for you to develop your "nose"?

**Devil Doc** · 05-19-2011, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by badwhale

Dammit, if you're not tasting freshly mown hay with an aftertaste of mint-cherry frappachino cheesecake, you're not living.

Cubans....pffftt what do they know about tobacco?

I don't know what kind of engineer you are but you might be interested to know that I'm having a similar argument on a audiophile board about folks who think they can hear wire.

Doc.

**ashauler** · 05-19-2011, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Devil Doc

I don't know what kind of engineer you are but you might be interested to know that I'm having a similar argument on a audiophile board about folks who think they can hear wire.

Doc.

He's really a frustrated Architect.

**badwhale** · 05-19-2011, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by denver24

Will, shoot me a PM with the link to those cigars. I love mint-cherry frappachino cheesecake and have been waiting for a long time to find a cigar that tasted like it.

delicious cigars

Originally Posted by ashauler

He's really a frustrated Architect.

**denver24** · 05-19-2011, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by badwhale

delicious cigars

I couldn't find them in a fat tip so I think they're sold out!

**badwhale** · 05-19-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by denver24

I couldn't find them in a fat tip so I think they're sold out!

delicious cigars with fat tips

Anything for you, bro!

**denver24** · 05-19-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by badwhale

delicious cigars with fat tips

Anything for you, bro!

Sampler! What's better than fat tips? Being able to try all of the varieties of fat tips! Am I threadjacking? Sorry.

If I like the characteristics of a cigar I keep smoking it and smoke more sticks of it. I agree with what's previously been stated in that I can pick up spicy, leather, and sweet or not. Ultimately it comes down to whether I like it or not which is subjective on an individual level.

**CptnBlues63** · 05-19-2011, 10:09 AM

Whew!

For a while there I thought there was something seriously wrong with my palate so I'm VERY glad to see this thread.

I don't detect a lot of the flavors the CA folks state they do for cigars I've tried that they have reviewed and I thought it was me. (just for the record, my wife bought me a one year subscription to CA in April of 10 for my b'day, I've not renewed it....lol)

I can, and do detect stronger flavors like spicey, leathery and woody.

I find some cigar smoke has texture to it as well. Some can be kind of heavy and oily. When someone here refers to a cigar as being "toothy" I always assume they mean it's got a heavy/oily kind of texture to the smoke. I've also discovered "creamy" which I like a lot too. The Rocky Patel Vintage 1990's to me have a nice creamy texture to them for example.

But some of the stuff I've read in reviews in CA have had me shaking my head.

I'm glad to see it's not just me!

I know what I like and what tastes good to me and I've tried in the past to sit and really taste a cigar to see if I couldn't find all these other interesting flavors and was disappointed when I couldn't. Now I can stop worrying about it and just relax and continue to enjoy a good cigar without feeling like I'm lacking in something, or losing out on something.

**ashauler** · 05-19-2011, 10:16 AM

Well, I'm certainly not a sophisticated CA type of guy, but I've experienced flavors/aromas that are reminiscent of wood, leather, and pepper in cigars. I also agree with the mouth-feel aspect of the smoke....some is creamier than others...lighter or denser...etc. Most often a good solid nasal exhale enhances the "delusion" I guess. No madagascar vanilla...or black cherries....or buttered toast here though.

To each their own.

**Devil Doc** · 05-19-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by CptnBlues63

Whew!

For a while there I thought there was something seriously wrong with my palate so I'm VERY glad to see this thread.

I don't detect a lot of the flavors the CA folks state they do for cigars I've tried that they have reviewed and I thought it was me. (just for the record, my wife bought me a one year subscription to CA in April of 10 for my b'day, I've not renewed it....lol)

I can, and do detect stronger flavors like spicey, leathery and woody.

I find some cigar smoke has texture to it as well. Some can be kind of heavy and oily. When someone here refers to a cigar as being "toothy" I always assume they mean it's got a heavy/oily kind of texture to the smoke. I've also discovered "creamy" which I like a lot too. The Rocky Patel Vintage 1990's to me have a nice creamy texture to them for example.

But some of the stuff I've read in reviews in CA have had me shaking my head.

I'm glad to see it's not just me!

I know what I like and what tastes good to me and I've tried in the past to sit and really taste a cigar to see if I couldn't find all these other interesting flavors and was disappointed when I couldn't. Now I can stop worrying about it and just relax and continue to enjoy a good cigar without feeling like I'm lacking in something, or losing out on something.

You made my day, young fella

and have added new vigor and vitality to my crusade against those who would perpetrate their pathologhy, gustatory hallucinations, upon the more rational among us.

Doc.

**ashauler** · 05-19-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Devil Doc

You made my day, young fella

and have added new vigor and vitality to my crusade against those who would perpetrate their pathologhy, gustatory hallucinations, upon the more rational among us.

Doc.

Sweet, so now you're in a good mood.

Cigars don't all taste the same to me, and I would assume they don't to you either. Is taste not a subjective thing?

**Devil Doc** · 05-19-2011, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by ashauler

Sweet, so now you're in a good mood.

Cigars don't all taste the same to me, and I would assume they don't to you either. Is taste not a subjective thing?

Of course they all don't taste the same. If they did I wouldn't need so much damn humidor space.
I grew up in my grandmothers variety store. Mini-Mart to you young fellas. Back in those days we sold over 100 brands of cigarettes. Blind, I could identify many of them. Hey, I couldn't smoke them all. With cigars, if you were to give me a Dominican puro, Nic Puro, Honduran Puro (this one might be a problem) and a Cuban, I am reasonably certain I could identify which was which. But none of them would taste like essence of chocolate or sweet cocoa. They would taste like what they were, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Honduran, and Cuban tobacco. They are all quite distinctive to me. People should concentrate their efforts on being able to distinguish those attributes, the flavors that come from the soil, not getting frustrated by not being able to taste what those hacks at CA tell us we should taste.

Doc.

**cheepvaporizer** · 06-14-2011, 04:51 AM

That's a bummer...had to require mine in for a brand new timing belt not too in the past. NO fun...

**Gben-chalice** · 07-04-2011, 04:54 PM

somewhere out there there's a small insular community of reviewers (probably from new york and san fran) where your standing is determined by the range of illusory tases you can claim to detect....it's possible they support themselves by selling high end bottled water

**BHK54** · 07-11-2011, 06:21 PM

Think I'm still developing it ... have heard that practice makes it perfect, so it seems i just have to continue smoking

**b.read** · 05-23-2011, 04:13 PM

With my miniscule experience with cigars, I am definitely not picking up anywhere near the amount of flavors that more experienced smokers are... hopefully my palate will wake up the same way it did with beer some years back.

Originally Posted by Devil Doc

I'm having a similar argument on a audiophile board about folks who think they can hear wire.

Doc.

I gotta ask...gearslutz?

**Devil Doc** · 05-23-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by b.read

With my miniscule experience with cigars, I am definitely not picking up anywhere near the amount of flavors that more experienced smokers are... hopefully my palate will wake up the same way it did with beer some years back.

I gotta ask...gearslutz?

Why don't you just enjoy your cigars. The point of cigar smoking is to relax. If you're sitting there thinking about what flavors you should be experiencing your not relaxing and wasting your money. In my opinion, of course.

Doc.

**mrtr33** · 05-23-2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Devil Doc

Why don't you just enjoy your cigars. The point of cigar smoking is to relax. If you're sitting there thinking about what flavors you should be experiencing your not relaxing and wasting your money. In my opinion, of course.

Doc.

**b.read** · 05-23-2011, 05:01 PM

It's funny you mention that...I actually first included that in the "first draft" of my post, but then deleted it as I didn't want it to be too long-winded.

I do currently, and will continue to enjoy my smokes without the complex flavors that others pick up... though at this stage of my experience I am looking forward to learning more so I can actually know a little something about what I'm smoking.

I guess my point is: Did I know shit about beer when I first starting drinking it? Hell no...but I still enjoyed it! I now know a few things about it and get more and more enjoyment out of each pint than I did when I first started...that's similar to the same kind of knowledge I look forward to having with cigars one day.

**ashauler** · 05-24-2011, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by b.read

It's funny you mention that...I actually first included that in the "first draft" of my post, but then deleted it as I didn't want it to be too long-winded.

I do currently, and will continue to enjoy my smokes without the complex flavors that others pick up... though at this stage of my experience I am looking forward to learning more so I can actually know a little something about what I'm smoking.

I guess my point is: Did I know shit about beer when I first starting drinking it? Hell no...but I still enjoyed it! I now know a few things about it and get more and more enjoyment out of each pint than I did when I first started...that's similar to the same kind of knowledge I look forward to having with cigars one day.

One of these days you'll be bopping along smoking a stick, maybe doing something else like reading or having a conversation and you'll draw on your cigar and exhale and say...WTF was that. hmmmmmm, another draw, yeah, that's kinda interesting, what the heck is that..........it's nice, reminds me of .....

**prophetic_joe** · 05-23-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Devil Doc

Why don't you just enjoy your cigars. The point of cigar smoking is to relax. If you're sitting there thinking about what flavors you should be experiencing your not relaxing and wasting your money. In my opinion, of course.

Doc.

I would venture to guess that most of the people you seem to be looking down on do just that 99% of the time. The only times I will actually think hard about and try to find flavors in my cigars are when it comes to writing a review. I have said before that I agree tobacco tastes like tobacco but in a review you try to get the flavors across the best way possible now if I say a cigar has a sweet tobacco taste to it and a new smoker says well what do you mean by sweet tobacco I'm supposed to then say "Well it tastes like sweet tobacco you fuggin moron." no I need to try to put it to him the best I can so he has a better idea than simply sweet tobacco.