Fuente Fuente Opus X Forbidden X + 1 for raffle, to benefit the American Red Cross

[Corona Gigante]

One Fuente Fuente Opus X Forbidden X and one Partagas Lusitanias, for raffle, to benefit the American Red Cross.



Who can enter:

Entry in this raffle is open to all registered members of Club Stogie, CigarPass.com, and CigarSmokers.com whose join date is on or before Saturday, September 24th, 2005. One entry per member please.

How to enter:

PM me and I'll enter your name in the list below and assign you a number between 1 and 44, your assigned ticket number, or you can pick your own number if you like, so long as it's not already taken.. I will add your name to the list of entrants along with your ticket number.

Send a bank check or money order in the amount of $10 made payable to the American Red Cross to the address in my profile. No cash or personal checks, please.

When I receive your money order, I will update your entry in the list of entrants to show the date of the postmark on the envelope. I must receive your money order by Saturday, October 8th, otherwise you will be disqualified from the prize draw. All money orders received will be forwarded to the American Red Cross as soon as they are received.

The winning ticket number will be decided based on the Texas State Lottery drawing for October 8th. The drawing occurs at 10:12pm Central Time. You can check the winning numbers after the drawing has taken place on the Texas State Lottery website, http://www.txlottery.org/.

If only one assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers, then that is the winning ticket number.

If two or more assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers, then the prize will go to whoever had their earliest post mark on their envelope.

If no assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers for Saturday, October 8th, we'll roll over to Monday's drawing, and so on until an assigned number appears.

I will mail the prize to the winner on the first work day following the day the winner is decided, priority mail with DC and post the DC here. At my discretion or at the winners request, I may require signature for delivery.

FAQ:

Q: Why are you doing this?

A: The short answer is that I said last week I was going to do it, so I'm doing it. A slightly longer answer is that one of these cigars was (long story short) a gift for my birthday and the other is one I have been saving for a special occasion. My birthday was last Saturday and Hurricane Rita made it a very special occasion.

As it turned out, the timing for the raffle is less than ideal, but, notwithstanding a suggestion that I go back on my word, I don't really see that as an option. So my attitude is just to get 'er done.

Q: Why shouldn’t I just cut out the middle man and make a donation directly to the Red Cross?

A: http://www.redcross.org.

Q: How do I know you’re not just going to pocket the money yourself?

A: Checks and money orders made payable to the American Red Cross can only be cashed or deposited by that organization. Please make sure that your check or money order is made payable to the American Red Cross.

Q: How do I know the cigars are what you say they are?

A: The person who gifted me the Opus X and I have had our personal differences, but there's never been a question about his integrity or the quality of his collection. In addition, the band, the sealed glass tube, etc, would make this a very difficult item to fake. I purchased the other cigar, a Partagas Salamone, in good faith from what I believe to be a reputable source. It looks great and smells great--to me, anyway. I have no doubts about its authenticity. But dumb newbies like me get ripped off all the time, right? So can we just consider it to be a bonus mystery cigar which may turn out to be a real treat? If you don't want to take a chance on it, I'll happily send you just the Opus X and dispose of the other cigar for you myself. Very happily, in fact.

Q: How do I know I have a fair chance of winning?

A: I've thought through the process of deciding the winner and it seems pretty bullet-proof to me. If anyone has any suggestions how to improve it, maybe you could pm me or post here.

Q: What if my money order gets lost in the mail?

A: The US Post Office does an amazing job in my opinion, but items do occasionally get lost in the mail. If you want to make sure that your envelope arrives safely, get a delivery confirmation at the Post Office: it costs $0.30. I can not be held responsible for money orders I do not receive.

Q: What if more than 44 people want to enter?

A: I will randomly assign every entrant a second number between 1 and 44. This will not substantially change the way the winner is decided.

Q: I already entered on the another site / the last time you posted this.

A: If you don't see your name on the list below, please pm me asap

Any other questions? PM me!

Thanks for your interest!

So far we have two entrants.
Each entrant has a 50% chance of winning.
Next entrant will have a 33% chance of winning.

14 / justinphilly (Club Stogie) / (mo not yet received)
27 / disilluzion (Club Stogie) / (mo not yet received)

[Kayakinboy]

are you doing two of these?

[Jonsey5484]

WTF?!?!?!?!?!

[CoventryCat86]

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1 and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

[TheSilentChamber]

Yeah that whoever is closest is kinda fucked up.

[CoventryCat86]

I'm tellin' ya, this guy is only posting up this because he know's damn well I'll point out the "problems" and he can then use this to say "Oh you're just a BULLY, you NEVER have anything good to say, you're ALWAYS NEGATIVE, you chase people around and hassle them.....blah blah blah...."

corona gigante is no dummy so you're not going to convince me that he was stupid to the fact that there are HUGE FLAWS in this latest proposal and he knows damned well that I'd be the only one calling him on it.

AND, if I were to ignore him, he figures he'd build his "rep." here by being such a great guy an' all, offering to raffle off a stick (the Opus xXx) that was GIVEN to him due to yet another blood fued on CigarPass that he got himself involved in with RPB67.

I'm tellin' ya, corona gigante is BAD NEWS, plain and simple and evryone would be wise to steer clear of him and whatever it is he's up to. He's a trouble maker pure and simple........

Like I said, if you want t donate to the Red Cross, write them a check directly.

[Jonsey5484]

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1 and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

Although, if anyone did send their money in for the raffle, they might have a 50-50 chance of winning. There might only be one other person dumb enough to participate! But, if he does get a bunch of idiots to play in his little raffle and everyone gets two chances....then that would mean they had two chances at winning, not a 50-50 chance. What a dumb fuck!

[Corona Gigante]

Although, if anyone did send their money in for the raffle, they might have a 50-50 chance of winning. There might only be one other person dumb enough to participate! But, if he does get a bunch of idiots to play in his little raffle and everyone gets two chances....then that would mean they had two chances at winning, not a 50-50 chance. What a dumb fuck!

I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make here.

Two people have entered so far, they have equal chances of winning, so each has a 50% chance. Not so?

[Corona Gigante]

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1 and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

Bill, you're really clutching at straws here. You think you can still see flaws in my procedure for determining the winner, but you don't seem to be willing to offer solutions or even to define the problem clearly enough for me to fix it.

The tiebreaker rule is the first one I came up with that seemd fair. That it acts to encourage people to get their entires in earlier rather than later is obviously an attractive feature, but if you can offer an alternative, I would like to hear it.

Please explain how diz has a better chance of winning than justin. I don't see it. Maybe there's a mistake in the procedure I outlined or maybe I just didn't make it clear enough. BTW, I have no idea who either of these guys are and I think they would probably tell you the same thing.

I think I see what you mean about assigning you 44 or 1 and assigning someone else 43 and 2. That would make a difference to your chance of winning but it doesn't seem like a very significant difference and, if I understand your point, it would only come into play if none of the other assigned numbers come up in the lottery drawing. The chance of that happening decreases as the number of entrants increases.

Tell you what. Say you'll enter and I'll let you pick your own number, so long as it's not already assigned. You have to promise me that if you win, you'll not tell any lies about the contents of the package I send you.

I think what you've missed is that in some ways the best possible outcome for me is that you enter and win. Not because I think you might stop post-stalking me (although I can't say I would miss it much) but that it would be pretty conclusive evidence of my integrity. I don't particularly care how many times you call me a POS or whatever--water off a duck's back, mate--I've been called worse than that by better than you--but I would be deeply wounded if I thought you doubted my integrity.

If you don't see that, maybe you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for being.

[TheSilentChamber]

Out of 50 numbers, givin any number was drawn at random and one persons number was 14 and the other persons number was 27, If a number is drawn between 1-19 the guy who is 14 wins, if a number between 20 and 50 wins the guy who is 27 wins. This gives the man with the number fourteen 19 chances to win, but the guy with the number twenty-seven 30 chances to win. See the flaw?

[CoventryCat86]

Bill, you're really clutching at straws here. You think you can still see flaws in my procedure for determining the winner, but you don't seem to be willing to offer solutions or even to define the problem clearly enough for me to fix it.

The tiebreaker rule is the first one I came up with that seemd fair. That it acts to encourage people to get their entires in earlier rather than later is obviously an attractive feature, but if you can offer an alternative, I would like to hear it.

Please explain how diz has a better chance of winning than justin. I don't see it. Maybe there's a mistake in the procedure I outlined or maybe I just didn't make it clear enough. BTW, I have no idea who either of these guys are and I think they would probably tell you the same thing.

I think I see what you mean about assigning you 44 or 1 and assigning someone else 43 and 2. That would make a difference to your chance of winning but it doesn't seem like a very significant difference and, if I understand your point, it would only come into play if none of the other assigned numbers come up in the lottery drawing. The chance of that happening decreases as the number of entrants increases.

Tell you what. Say you'll enter and I'll let you pick your own number, so long as it's not already assigned. You have to promise me that if you win, you'll not tell any lies about the contents of the package I send you.

I think what you've missed is that in some ways the best possible outcome for me is that you enter and win. Not because I think you might stop post-stalking me (although I can't say I would miss it much) but that it would be pretty conclusive evidence of my integrity. I don't particularly care how many times you call me a POS or whatever--water off a duck's back, mate--I've been called worse than that by better than you--but I would be deeply wounded if I thought you doubted my integrity.

If you don't see that, maybe you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for being.

"Clutching at straws" you stupid sonofabitch, SilentChamber was kind enough to explain your stupidity to you but not until you attacked me YET AGAIN. You were DEAD WRONG when you stated that if there are only two guys in the auction, one with #14 and one with #27 that they both have a 50-50 shot of winning. Reread TheSilentChamber's post which is written in plain and simple English, so simple that a 6th grader can grasp the concept because as he pointed out, the guy with #14 only has a 20 (well he said 19 but he meant 20 ) in 44 chance of winning while the guy with #27 has a 24 in 44 chance in winning. That is NOT "50-50" unless your calculator is broken. The guy with #14 has a 45-55 chance of winning and the guy with #27 has a 55-45 chance of winning. If you can't understand that, write the numbers 1 - 44 on a sheet of paper and follow that up by putting the name of the winner next to each number. It's highly unlikely that in your continued quest of wanting to start trouble with me you will ever see that I'm right and you're wrong but that shouldn't surprise anyone here since you're too arrogant and too much of an asshole to ever admit you're wrong.

Sorry corona gigante, it's not my responsibility to fix your auction for you. LMAO, you don't see how assigning the number 1 or 44 to someone and 2 or 43 to another is a problem? HOLY crap man, you're either REALLY STUPID or my guess is you just want troll for trouble.

My suggestion is don't do your auction at all. There are so many problems with it:

1. Just about everyone here and on CigarPass as well as many members from Club Stogie think you're a complete asshole, you've created that reputation ALL ON YOUR OWN with your shitty attitude and continued attacks on me and others. This is a bad time for you to try and salvage your reputation which is so far in the toilet, you're beyond hope.
2. You're auctioning off GIFTED cigars and I know you've tried to justify this but IMO you can't
3. The Partagas Salamone is a fake, you know it, you were told this, you acknowledged this, said you wouldn't pass it along YET YOU DID ANYWAY.

When you're WRONG, you continue with your attacks and smart assed comments, that's pretty arrogant and stupid.

Keep digging..................

[Hugh Jorgan]

Q: How do I know the cigars are what you say they are?

A: The person who gifted me the Opus X and I have had our personal differences, but there's never been a question about his integrity or the quality of his collection. In addition, the band, the sealed glass tube, etc, would make this a very difficult item to fake. I purchased the other cigar, a Partagas Salamone, in good faith from what I believe to be a reputable source. It looks great and smells great--to me, anyway. I have no doubts about its authenticity. But dumb newbies like me get ripped off all the time, right? So can we just consider it to be a bonus mystery cigar which may turn out to be a real treat? If you don't want to take a chance on it, I'll happily send you just the Opus X and dispose of the other cigar for you myself. Very happily, in fact.

Wow, Corona Gigante, you continue to shock me with your bullshit.

When I saw Nicholas (Corona Gigante) promoting this raffle with the Forbidden X and the mysterious unbanded Salamone, I was immediately reminded of an exchange of PMs we had on August 23rd, 2005, regarding a source Nicholas had been using to purchase 'cubans'.

Whenever I've felt rich--not often enough--I've done a bit of business with Joe XxXxxx at Vendor Z. I've generally been happy with the results. The boxes look kosher and the cigars taste fine after resting for a week or so. Still, I was wondering if you guys have heard anything positive or negative about him. He's based in Genève, he quotes all his prices in USD, the prices are competitive with Vendor C but shipping is included whereas Vendor C want to stick me for $40(!)

Your opinion would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Nicholas.

I would be very cautious about any "cubans" you have received from Vendor Z. I would highly recommend that you do not use them in passes or trades, but simply enjoy them yourself. The worst thing that can happen on the forums is to mistakenly pass fakes -- it is a black mark that is hard to live down.

[Will do. Or rather, won't do.

Thanks,

Nicholas.

The Vendor Z in question is an infamous purveyor of fake 'cubans'.

It has been confirmed by Corona Gigante that the Partagas Salamone that he included in the raffle, is in fact, one of the cigars he purchased from Vendor Z.
Corona Gigante was warned about the authenticity of all cigars he had received from Vendor Z on August 23, 2005 and he acknowledged the problem , yet here he claims he has no doubt about its authenticity? Bullshit.

Knowingly passing cigars of questionable origin is a classless and scumbag move. I have no doubt that Corona Gigante chose this cigar to help pad this raffle, and artificially increase it's potential value. Stating he had no doubt about the authenticity of Vendor Z or the Salamone is a blatant lie. Including the statement:

"But dumb newbies like me get ripped off all the time, right? So can we just consider it to be a bonus mystery cigar which may turn out to be a real treat? If you don't want to take a chance on it, I'll happily send you just the Opus X and dispose of the other cigar for you myself. Very happily, in fact."

..is a smoke screen when he knew the Salamone was questionable.

Nicholas, you are a scumbag.

[CoventryCat86]

You gotta be kidding me.

corona gigante, guys like you ultimately slit their own throats. Someone snapped this photo of a new gadget you recently installed in your back yard:



Looks like you want to make sure you don't miss

[alexgtp]

Oh crap!!..
Not good. If you have doubts about a cigar.. Why would you ever offer it up. Bad move.
EVen when a member on here warns you about this particular company. Not good.!

[godfather]

Hugh, thanks for your post, it's finally all coming together.

I QUOTE THIS FROM CORONA'S THREAD:

"I forget the name of it right now and the band fell off and rolled under the table just before I took the picture, but I promise you it smells as good as it looks."


THREAD: http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2236-op...red-cross.html



Corona you REALLY are a scumbag. Hugh's post PROVES that you KNEW it may have been a FAKE and you DELIBERATELY TOOK THE BAND OFF because you were probably AFRAID someone may have been able to identify it as a FAKE by just looking at the BAND.

I'm through with your b.s. and your dishonesty. Do yourself a favor and LEAVE this forum. After seeing this, I can't understand why ANYONE would be BEHIND you now.

YOU'RE DONE

[Corona Gigante]

See first post. No more mystery cigar. Bad idea, obviously.

[Shagaroo]

See first post. No more mystery cigar. Bad idea, obviously.

Well, you certainly have earned the Hopeless Dumbfuck of the Year award!

[moki]

[ggiese]

Well, you certainly have earned the Hopeless Dumbfuck of the Year award!

I tried telling him - over and over... He just wouldn't listen...

And he's so arrogant he believes he doesn't have to get the approval of admin to do a charity auction on his site... bad form ALL the way around...

[Corona Gigante]

An imaginary conversation, overheard on a non-existent cigar board, far, far away.

But daddy isn't it bad form to publicly post private messages?

ROTFLMAO... don't worry about that bad form is what daddy says it is...
just make sure you edit it up to make it look much more incrimminating...

Your so clever daddy I love you

I love you to george... I mean Hugh... heh heh