Fuente Fuente Opus X Forbidden X + 1 for raffle, to benefit the American Red Cross

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 09:55 AM

One Fuente Fuente Opus X Forbidden X and one Partagas Lusitanias, for raffle, to benefit the American Red Cross.

Who can enter:

Entry in this raffle is open to all registered members of Club Stogie, CigarPass.com, and CigarSmokers.com whose join date is on or before Saturday, September 24th, 2005. One entry per member please.

How to enter:

PM me and I'll enter your name in the list below and assign you a number between 1 and 44, your assigned ticket number, or you can pick your own number if you like, so long as it's not already taken.. I will add your name to the list of entrants along with your ticket number.

Send a bank check or money order in the amount of $10 made payable to the American Red Cross to the address in my profile. No cash or personal checks, please.

When I receive your money order, I will update your entry in the list of entrants to show the date of the postmark on the envelope. I must receive your money order by Saturday, October 8th, otherwise you will be disqualified from the prize draw. All money orders received will be forwarded to the American Red Cross as soon as they are received.

The winning ticket number will be decided based on the Texas State Lottery drawing for October 8th. The drawing occurs at 10:12pm Central Time. You can check the winning numbers after the drawing has taken place on the Texas State Lottery website, http://www.txlottery.org/.

If only one assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers, then that is the winning ticket number.

If two or more assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers, then the prize will go to whoever had their earliest post mark on their envelope.

If no assigned ticket number appears in the list of Texas State Lottery winning numbers for Saturday, October 8th, we'll roll over to Monday's drawing, and so on until an assigned number appears.

I will mail the prize to the winner on the first work day following the day the winner is decided, priority mail with DC and post the DC here. At my discretion or at the winners request, I may require signature for delivery.

FAQ:

Q: Why are you doing this?

A: The short answer is that I said last week I was going to do it, so I'm doing it. A slightly longer answer is that one of these cigars was (long story short) a gift for my birthday and the other is one I have been saving for a special occasion. My birthday was last Saturday and Hurricane Rita made it a very special occasion.

As it turned out, the timing for the raffle is less than ideal, but, notwithstanding a suggestion that I go back on my word, I don't really see that as an option. So my attitude is just to get 'er done.

Q: Why shouldn’t I just cut out the middle man and make a donation directly to the Red Cross?

A: http://www.redcross.org.

Q: How do I know you’re not just going to pocket the money yourself?

A: Checks and money orders made payable to the American Red Cross can only be cashed or deposited by that organization. Please make sure that your check or money order is made payable to the American Red Cross.

Q: How do I know the cigars are what you say they are?

A: The person who gifted me the Opus X and I have had our personal differences, but there's never been a question about his integrity or the quality of his collection. In addition, the band, the sealed glass tube, etc, would make this a very difficult item to fake. I purchased the other cigar, a Partagas Salamone, in good faith from what I believe to be a reputable source. It looks great and smells great--to me, anyway. I have no doubts about its authenticity. But dumb newbies like me get ripped off all the time, right? So can we just consider it to be a bonus mystery cigar which may turn out to be a real treat? If you don't want to take a chance on it, I'll happily send you just the Opus X and dispose of the other cigar for you myself. Very happily, in fact.

Q: How do I know I have a fair chance of winning?

A: I've thought through the process of deciding the winner and it seems pretty bullet-proof to me. If anyone has any suggestions how to improve it, maybe you could pm me or post here.

Q: What if my money order gets lost in the mail?

A: The US Post Office does an amazing job in my opinion, but items do occasionally get lost in the mail. If you want to make sure that your envelope arrives safely, get a delivery confirmation at the Post Office: it costs $0.30. I can not be held responsible for money orders I do not receive.

Q: What if more than 44 people want to enter?

A: I will randomly assign every entrant a second number between 1 and 44. This will not substantially change the way the winner is decided.

Q: I already entered on the another site / the last time you posted this.

A: If you don't see your name on the list below, please pm me asap

Any other questions? PM me!

Thanks for your interest!

So far we have two entrants.
Each entrant has a 50% chance of winning.
Next entrant will have a 33% chance of winning.

14 / justinphilly (Club Stogie) / (mo not yet received)
27 / disilluzion (Club Stogie) / (mo not yet received)

**Kayakinboy** · 09-29-2005, 10:03 AM

are you doing two of these?

**Jonsey5484** · 09-29-2005, 10:05 AM

WTF?!?!?!?!?!

**CoventryCat86** · 09-29-2005, 10:15 AM

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1

and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

**TheSilentChamber** · 09-29-2005, 10:29 AM

Yeah that whoever is closest is kinda fucked up.

**CoventryCat86** · 09-29-2005, 10:38 AM

I'm tellin' ya, this guy is only posting up this because he know's damn well I'll point out the "problems" and he can then use this to say "Oh you're just a BULLY, you NEVER have anything good to say, you're ALWAYS NEGATIVE, you chase people around and hassle them.....blah blah blah...."

corona gigante is no dummy so you're not going to convince me that he was stupid to the fact that there are HUGE FLAWS in this latest proposal and he knows damned well that I'd be the only one calling him on it.

AND, if I were to ignore him, he figures he'd build his "rep." here by being such a great guy an' all, offering to raffle off a stick (the Opus xXx) that was GIVEN to him due to yet another blood fued on CigarPass that he got himself involved in with RPB67.

I'm tellin' ya, corona gigante is BAD NEWS, plain and simple and evryone would be wise to steer clear of him and whatever it is he's up to. He's a trouble maker pure and simple........

Like I said, if you want t donate to the Red Cross, write them a check directly.

**Jonsey5484** · 09-29-2005, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1

and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

Although, if anyone did send their money in for the raffle, they might have a 50-50 chance of winning. There might only be one other person dumb enough to participate! But, if he does get a bunch of idiots to play in his little raffle and everyone gets two chances....then that would mean they had two chances at winning, not a 50-50 chance. What a dumb fuck!

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

How do we know who has the earliest postmark on the envelope for your tiebreaker rule? That's not a very good way to do a tiebreaker.

There's still an awful lot of room for shenanigans here with YOU assigning the numbers. For instance if I were to enter, you'd give me 44 or 1

and then assign 2 or 43 to the next entrant

This whole thing of YOU assigning numbers is just about as bad as you alledgely drawing envelopes out of a hat.

How do you figure that under your present set up that justinphilly & disilluzion have a 50-50 chance to win? I guess you're not a math wiz are you? Right now disilluzion has a better chance of winning than justinphilly. If you refuse to accept this then you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for.

Bill, you're really clutching at straws here. You think you can still see flaws in my procedure for determining the winner, but you don't seem to be willing to offer solutions or even to define the problem clearly enough for me to fix it.

The tiebreaker rule is the first one I came up with that seemd fair. That it acts to encourage people to get their entires in earlier rather than later is obviously an attractive feature, but if you can offer an alternative, I would like to hear it.

Please explain how diz has a better chance of winning than justin. I don't see it. Maybe there's a mistake in the procedure I outlined or maybe I just didn't make it clear enough. BTW, I have no idea who either of these guys are and I think they would probably tell you the same thing.

I think I see what you mean about assigning you 44 or 1 and assigning someone else 43 and 2. That would make a difference to your chance of winning but it doesn't seem like a very significant difference and, if I understand your point, it would only come into play if none of the other assigned numbers come up in the lottery drawing. The chance of that happening decreases as the number of entrants increases.

Tell you what. Say you'll enter and I'll let you pick your own number, so long as it's not already assigned. You have to promise me that if you win, you'll not tell any lies about the contents of the package I send you.

I think what you've missed is that in some ways the best possible outcome for me is that you enter and win. Not because I think you might stop post-stalking me (although I can't say I would miss it much) but that it would be pretty conclusive evidence of my integrity. I don't particularly care how many times you call me a POS or whatever--water off a duck's back, mate--I've been called worse than that by better than you--but I would be deeply wounded if I thought you doubted my integrity.

If you don't see that, maybe you're not anywhere as near intelligent as you give yourself credit for being.

**TheSilentChamber** · 09-29-2005, 11:03 AM

Out of 50 numbers, givin any number was drawn at random and one persons number was 14 and the other persons number was 27, If a number is drawn between 1-19 the guy who is 14 wins, if a number between 20 and 50 wins the guy who is 27 wins. This gives the man with the number fourteen 19 chances to win, but the guy with the number twenty-seven 30 chances to win. See the flaw?

**Diesel Grinch** · 09-29-2005, 11:06 AM

Am I the only one that feels raffling off a gifted cigar even for a good cause is bad form? Even if the giver said it was ok.

It might just be me but I smoke every cigar that I'm gifted, get from a pass, draft, PIF, or a contest. I do feel it's bad form to do anything else with these cigars.

**Leebo** · 09-29-2005, 11:16 AM

CG is like school in the summertime.......no class!

**SuperChuck** · 09-29-2005, 11:39 AM

I would scrap the "closest number" logic.

I suggest:
If a number does not come up in the lottery, everyone keeps their numbers and moves on to the next day, rinse, repeat. This works out to an equal chance for all players, so long as there are less than 44 participants.

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by TheSilentChamber

Out of 50 numbers, givin any number was drawn at random and one persons number was 14 and the other persons number was 27, If a number is drawn between 1-19 the guy who is 14 wins, if a number between 20 and 50 wins the guy who is 27 wins. This gives the man with the number fourteen 19 chances to win, but the guy with the number twenty-seven 30 chances to win. See the flaw?

OK I get it now.

This is only a problem if none of the assigned numbers comes up in the lottery, but then it's a major issue.

Where's that forehead-slapping icon when you need one?

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by SuperChuck

I would scrap the "closest number" logic.

I suggest:
If a number does not come up in the lottery, everyone keeps their numbers and moves on to the next day, rinse, repeat. This works out to an equal chance for all players, so long as there are less than 44 participants.

That's good. Thanks!

**TheSilentChamber** · 09-29-2005, 11:47 AM

If you want to stick with the lottery idea you could wait till you get all entries before assigning numbers, then say you get 4 entries, you could assign numbers 1-4 in the order in which they were recived, then repeat them, so person would would have 1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25, 29, 33, 37, and 41. Person would would have 2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, and 42. Odds are you would come up with some scrap numbers at the end where you could not repeat a full cycle, I would just leave those numbers out and if it is one of those have a secondary lottery number you would go to. Like first you would go off the first number drawn, if it lands on say 42 and nobody has that number go to the second number drawn.

**godfather** · 09-29-2005, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel Grinch

Am I the only one that feels raffling off a gifted cigar even for a good cause is bad form? Even if the giver said it was ok.

Why wasn't CC's cigar in the auction???? Let's stay consistent here!

Oh man, the irony...and I'm not sure what to think of this either:

He calls out CC the night before:

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...&postcount=105

Writes a poll about him:

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/t2199-co...ity-check.html

and then smokes one of his cigars the same day....

http://www.cigarsmokers.com/showpost...&postcount=799

EDIT: Fixed Hyperlink

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheSilentChamber

If a number is drawn between 1-19 the guy who is 14 wins, if a number between 20 and 50 wins the guy who is 27 wins.

It's not just one number that's drawn. The game is pick 5, so five numbers between 1 and 44 are drawn. What I originally meant was that the winner would be whoever's number was closest to one of the five numbers drawn in the Lottery.

I still like the idea of going with the next day's drawing if no assigned ticket numbers show up in Saturday's draw. It's a lot purer than doing it by numerical differences.

Thanks again.

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel Grinch

Am I the only one that feels raffling off a gifted cigar even for a good cause is bad form? Even if the giver said it was ok.

It might just be me but I smoke every cigar that I'm gifted, get from a pass, draft, PIF, or a contest. I do feel it's bad form to do anything else with these cigars.

I know. I'm a regifter!

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. I wasn't exactly bombed the stick. The circumstances surrounding the origin of the raffle are documented for posterity elsewhere. PM me if you want the link.

**Corona Gigante** · 09-29-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jonsey5484

Although, if anyone did send their money in for the raffle, they might have a 50-50 chance of winning. There might only be one other person dumb enough to participate! But, if he does get a bunch of idiots to play in his little raffle and everyone gets two chances....then that would mean they had two chances at winning, not a 50-50 chance. What a dumb fuck!

I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make here.

Two people have entered so far, they have equal chances of winning, so each has a 50% chance. Not so?