The Death Penalty, Kids being charged as Adults

[SuperChuck]

I think there's a big difference between "knowing right from wrong" and having a full understanding of right and wrong.

As a kid, I knew it was "wrong" to kill someone, but I had NO CONCEPT of the repercussions of actually killing someone.

I had all these valiant ideas in my head about dying in the line of duty and laying down my life for the good of the nation. Now as an old guy, you couldn't drag my ass into Iraq. I understood that dying was a bad thing, but I didn't really understand the permanence of death.

[cigarsarge]

I think there's a big difference between "knowing right from wrong" and having a full understanding of right and wrong.

As a kid, I knew it was "wrong" to kill someone, but I had NO CONCEPT of the repercussions of actually killing someone.

You sadly under estimate the teenagers of today. The kids I deal with know exactly what they are doing and repercussions. The typical "gangster" kid I deal with knows full well death is final, the repercussions in the famly of the deceased, and what could happen to them if caught. They just don't give a crap. The only exception being mentally challenged kids.

[SuperChuck]

The typical "gangster" kid I deal with knows full well death is final, the repercussions in the famly of the deceased, and what could happen to them if caught. They just don't give a crap.

That's what I mean, though. On paper, I understood all that death being final stuff, but I didn't care. Now, being older, I do "give a crap". I understand how valuable and precious life is.

If you talk to these same kids in 10 or 20 years (those who are lucky enough to start over), they'll tell you how stupid they think all that was and that they're glad they made it out alive, etc.

It's not relegated to the criminal, either. If you've ever met anyone that was involved with some of the more messed up secret government projects, they have the same mindset, like it wasn't them doing it. Even people that have been in combat are the same way.

[reaganyouth84]

The Attorney General here in Tennessee was in town today. He says he wants the kid that caused the school shooting here yesterday to be tried as an adult.

-Mike

[Kayakinboy]

The Attorney General here in Tennessee was in town today. He says he wants the kid that caused the school shooting here yesterday to be tried as an adult.

-Mike

Hopefully the kid will plead out. Prayers should be with the victims and the kid's family. Unless any of us PERSONALLY have had this happened, we can't relate, and I know if my sister (I'm the only boy) was in jail for the holidays, not to mention the rest of her life, I'd be pretty down and in need of God.

[Baron Porthos]

Hopefully the kid will plead out. Prayers should be with the victims and the kid's family. Unless any of us PERSONALLY have had this happened, we can't relate, and I know if my sister (I'm the only boy) was in jail for the holidays, not to mention the rest of her life, I'd be pretty down and in need of God.

Yes sir

[cigar no baka]

Those teenage killers can rot in hell and I hope they do - try they as adults and give them the ultimate penalty as they were old enough to know what they were doing and their crimes were heinous.

[Drake]

Those teenage killers can rot in hell and I hope they do - try they as adults and give them the ultimate penalty as they were old enough to know what they were doing and their crimes were heinous.

slow down, man. you're thinking faster than you're typing and i think you're forgetting some words.








i do that a lot, too

[pierce652]

I am for the death penalty as well as the execution of minors if the crime is fitting. These persons who are tried as adults can comprehend right from wrong and know dead is dead. To say they cant comprehend the permancy of death is not giving them enough credit. Dont get me wrong, I follow your logic and dont disagree with it, however to say they have the young persons invincible attitude does not detract from their actions.

As far as the boot camp and education in a trade theory, I like it. However, this would not work either. The boot camps have been tried without success and in order to teach prisoners how to build levees and repair buildings you would first have to teach a great many of them to read, write, add and subtract. Were not talking about educated people here. Financially its insaine.

In the state of Connecticut it costs the taxpayers $135 per day per inmate. Each cell has two televisions with cable so that the inmates wont fight over programs they want to watch. To take on the education you speak of would increase this price many times over. If you want it done then there should be a special box you check on your tax return...I dont want to give these people one more cent of my money. I deal with these people day in and day out...they would rather slit your throat than take your education...and this goes for the "children" as well.


Ggiese is correct in his statements. To simply look at some of these people is scarry and until you deal with them, talk to them and see the complete lack of regard for human life you shouldnt judge....then again those opposed would then argue that it is society's fault that they lack the regard and we should do something about that too. To this I say open your home to them, bring them in and see what happens. Then come back and let us know how warm and fuzzy you feel.

[highrolla17x]

I am very pro death penalty and like many I think the appeals process needs to be changed though. Though I do know the supreme court made a ruling about executing minors. It does not matter if you are charged as an adult or not. The supreme court ruled a while ago that it is unconstutional to execute anyone under 18... I agree with this because I agree with the 8th amendment... It's cruel and unusual to execute a minor even if they are charged as an adult and apparently the supreme court agrees with me.

[Kayakinboy]

I am very pro death penalty and like many I think the appeals process needs to be changed though. Though I do know the supreme court made a ruling about executing minors. It does not matter if you are charged as an adult or not. The supreme court ruled a while ago that it is unconstutional to execute anyone under 18... I agree with this because I agree with the 8th amendment... It's cruel and unusual to execute a minor even if they are charged as an adult and apparently the supreme court agrees with me.

wait till your old enough to make "adult" desicions before talking

[Jonsey5484]

He is getting beating from multiple threads!!! I love this place.

[pierce652]

Were talking HUGE gaps in analytical thinking here....

[watty]

I thought he was in bed with his teddy....13 bollocks
To the real adults out there, come on guys, some of you are talking about executing children.
I would personally pull the lever on murdering bastards any time. I am 100% for the death penalty even though the scum sucking pigs we have for politicians in this country outlawed it in 1968 (ish) ...BUT...children
keep the little bastards locked up but you cannot be a civilised country and throw the switch on children. Isn't that the type of action that we went to war in Iraq to stop. and WW2.
GUYS.
Beat the parents to death with short sticks by all means..I'm no hippy, I like violence, but not kids in electric chairs or dangling from ropes....apart from 13 yr olds(18 or20) who try and talk to grown ups on cigar forums.

[ggiese]

"What do you think about the death penalty for Marcus Chenault, your wife's murderer?"

"Oh, please, don't let them kill him. Please, don't let them do that. That won't bring her back. God's been too good to me for me to hate. He's just a boy. God loves him. God can forgive him. I forgive him. I can't hate."
-Rev. Martin Luther King Sr.

Rev. King's wife was gunned down in his own church, before his very eyes.

A weaker man would have asked for the death penalty, believing they need to take vengeance on this evil kid.

The Kings are the strongest family I have ever seen.

The King family may be the strongest family you've ever seen - but I say to you again...

You don't have a clue until YOU look into the eyes of someone who is a sociopath - the individual so messed up that he could care less if he kills you or drinks a cup of coffee. Both are equally enjoyable to him...

I have looked into the eyes of a person like that - I have to tell you, it was the most incredibly sobering thing I've ever seen. That was over 20 years ago, and I still get chills...

This guy, in cold blood, put 6 bullets in a cops chest just because the officer asked him for his identification. In prison, this guy beat an inmate to death because he was annoyed. The State's Attorney described it best - "...he has ice water for blood". I don't even feel comfortable knowing he'll be in prison for the rest of his life - he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The thought there was any possibility he could be on the street frankly scares the daylights out of me. If allowed to be walking free on the streets, no doubt he would kill someone - ANYONE (especially the weak - kids, elders, women... They're easy prey). I would be worried if I was in prison with him. He is a stone cold predator. He is all of the evil you can imagine wrapped up in a human body. They make movies about guys like him....

I had a good friend (detective) who worked on the John Wayne Gacy case. He was there for the interviews of Gacy after Gacy was arrested. When I described my guy to him, this guy lit up and said "Gacy was exactly the same way!!!".

There is a time and a place. While I do not think we should execute everyone who murders - there are those individuals that should not be allowed to ever walk in society (including prison) - EVER...

[cigarsarge]

I have had the same experence as George. I dealt with a guy that killed his next door neighbor and daughter. He beat both to death with a claw hammer. He raped the daughter repeatedly with her dead father in the room before killed her.

He told me he enjoyed every minute of it.

He is on death row waiting to exaust appeals. When he is gone the world will be a better place.