Religion+Politics=Bad for students

[Drake]

linky no worky.

i think there should be more religion taught in school. but not just christianity. but inform children unbiasedly (is that a word?) about many religions. but i don't really think it should be mandatory. that would cause quite a stink.

**edited for typo

[Kayakinboy]

linky no worky.

i think there should be more religion taught in school. but not just christianity. but inform children unbiasedly (is that a word?) about many religions. but i don't really think it should be mandatory. that was cause quite a stink.

if religon was to be taught in schools, I'd like that format myself. Not just one side!

[SuperChuck]

i think there should be more religion taught in school. but not just christianity. but inform children unbiasedly (is that a word?) about many religions.

Amen!

My gf and I were just talking about this last night. They keep taking the religion OUT of schools, which is just increasing intolerance.

Sure, when I was a kid, there was Christmas and that was it. You painted pictures of Santa and Baby Jesus and all that other nonsense. These days we realize that's not quite right. But our solution is to take Santa out of the picture and make you paint snowflakes.

I was celebrating Channuka even when I considered myself a Christian. It's a beautiful holiday. Instead of kicking Santa out and making all the Christian kids angry, bring Channuka in!

Separation of Church and State dos NOT create an athiest state. What it does create is a state without a state religion. Recall that Great Britain's official church is the Church of England, which is run by the king. In fact, one could argue that state religion WOULD be consitutional so long as the church was not run by a state official.

Darwinism is a religion unto itself, anyway. Darwinism doesn't actually work out. We're now seeing that evolutions seem to happen very swiftly and almost always in line with environmental conditions (i.e., not random mutation). Darwin has been embraced for one reason: it does not mention God. In fact, evolution occurs more like Genesis than Darwin. Homos appear on the scene pretty much instantly, not through millions of years of evolution from apes.

[TheVitaleMob]

Alright, linky no worky because it was from Google News.

Anyway, it was a link to the story about including intelligent design in the classroom in Kansas. Now, I was raised a Catholic, and am very rapidly becoming(sp) unreligious. IMHO, most religious organizations are based on guilt and politics, and as George Carlin once said, are trying to control your mind because thats the game they're in. I try to be a good person, helping people if i can, but i don't think that I need to feel guilty because of original sin, or for the idea that God sent his son to us and we killed him. I also royaly hate the fact that these people feel the need to tell me what to do, and that I should be guilty. I have seriously considered buying that bumper sticker "Lord save me from your followers" many times. I don't subscribe to Darwinism either, but I don't think that Intelligent Design is science. In fact, most religions are mutally exclusive with some areas of science.

Now, that being said, I do understand that there are many people that belong to religious organizations that do not behave the way I have stated above, good for you, you are rational people. I like you. I just can't stand it when somebody thinks that I should be sorry and guilty for something that I have not done.

[bgmark2]

yes but evryone being so pc...would get taught budda and stuff

[WOXOF]

yes but evryone being so pc...would get taught budda and stuff

My nomination for troll of the month. Now fuck off.

[SmokinDVM]

In fact, one could argue that state religion WOULD be consitutional so long as the church was not run by a state official.

You COULD argue that, but it WOULD be wrong.

Darwinism is a religion unto itself, anyway. Darwinism doesn't actually work out. We're now seeing that evolutions seem to happen very swiftly and almost always in line with environmental conditions (i.e., not random mutation). Darwin has been embraced for one reason: it does not mention God. In fact, evolution occurs more like Genesis than Darwin. Homos appear on the scene pretty much instantly, not through millions of years of evolution from apes.

There is NO such thing as "Darwinism". It is simply a term created by religious people to make it seem that science, or even atheism, is a religion, which it is NOT.

The theories Darwin produced in his book The Origin of Species are still valid in that the general ideas of Evolution have been proven true. In fact, evolution happens at differing rates. There is always a slow gradual change taking place within a species from generation to generation. At the same time, larger, more visibly apparent changes take place when changes to the immediate environment force such changes, or the species becomes extinct.

Question: Since you know that Homo sapiens appeared instantly, when did this happen, exactly? Could you please point me in the direction of such scientific evidence?

[drew_goring]

You COULD argue that, but it WOULD be wrong.

There is NO such thing as "Darwinism". It is simply a term created by religious people to make it seem that science, or even atheism, is a religion, which it is NOT.

The theories Darwin produced in his book The Origin of Species are still valid in that the general ideas of Evolution have been proven true. In fact, evolution happens at differing rates. There is always a slow gradual change taking place within a species from generation to generation. At the same time, larger, more visibly apparent changes take place when changes to the immediate environment force such changes, or the species becomes extinct.

Question: Since you know that Homo sapiens appeared instantly, when did this happen, exactly? Could you please point me in the direction of such scientific evidence?

Question: do you know this thread has been inactive for over a year and a half?

[nhcigarfan]

Religion + Politics = Bad for Cigarsmokers.com

[heftysmokes]

Religion + Politics = Bad for Cigarsmokers.com

[cigarsarge]

Religion + Politics = Bad for Cigarsmokers.com

I totally agree...This is a cigar board.

[heftysmokes]

Religion + Politics = Bad for Cigarsmokers.com

Hey bgmark, and DPB...I don't know if you noticed the above quote the first time it was posted or the 2 times it was quoted in ensuing posts, but if you want to argue/discuss/debate/whatever, this topic, why don't you find the appropriate forum. This thread was dead for 2 years. Let's bury it again.

[DPB]

And buried it shall be. I agree .
Time and place for everything, this is not the time nor the place.
Peace
Doug

[HersheyWalker]

The theories Darwin produced in his book The Origin of Species are still valid in that the general ideas of Evolution have been proven true. In fact, evolution happens at differing rates. There is always a slow gradual change taking place within a species from generation to generation.

First off, the complete title to Darwin's book was "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life". Darwin was a racist who wrote his book in counteraction to the public need for a justification for racisim. The point of Darwin's book, one that we can't appreciate today, was that different races are different steps on the ladder of evolution, with blacks being the closest to apes. After the book's introduction, it was embraced by the world, and what did we see? We saw WWII with Hitler exterminating the Jews because from his perspective THEY were the closest to apes, blacks being second. If Germany had won the war, there would only be proper Germans and the descendants of Germans populating the world. He would have had all other races slaughtered because he deduced from Darwin's theories that the blonde haired blue eyed aryan was the highest level of evolution.

But Hitler wasn't the only one at fault, EVERYONE took Darwin's explanation for the existance of life to heart. Theodore Roosevelt was quoted as saying that certain species (blacks) should be kept from procreating as they are diluting the human race. He is one example of countless others. Just look at the talk of the time, negros were classified as having the same intelligence as an 11 year old child. By experts!

Racism was common place and internalized by ALL at the time, Darwin's book made sense in the context of the popular point of view. So the world embraced it. But Darwin's ideas aren't new. They were around for at least 2000 years. Early church fathers preached against the idea. Early Greek thought had themes of life originating in the oceans and evolving from fish. This was far before geologists uncovered the fossil record.

Erasthmus Darwin, Darwin's father laid down all the theory behind evolution to his son, who ran with it and wrote his book. And with it came the deconstruction of mankind. Look at the figures for crime before evolution was taught in schools, compared to afterward. You see spiking jumps in all areas: rape, assault, theft, etc. And why shouldn't you? If we are all glorified apes, why does anything we do matter? The pursuit of our own pleasure should be the god we worship. I saw an interview with Jeffery Dalhmer on dateline NBC, and when asked why he did what he did he answered: because I believed evolution, we call came from an ape and there was no God. He goes on to describe how and why that shaped his decisions to ignore his instinct of restraint and proceed to kill and eat humans. Just before his death, he was taught the principles of creationism and had accepted Jesus as his savior. But that is such a clear illustration to why the world is so out of control today.

But back to your quote, evolution has NOT been proven true. There are only a few examples of cross species fossils available, I'm talking less than ten, out of millions of tons of bones we have dug out of the ground. And EVERY SINGLE ONE of them are questioned by academics. How is that proven true? If the basic idea behind evolution is true, we should see an abundance of cross species in the fossil record. We see none. After Darwin wrote his book and his idea became popular, archeology became the fashionable area of study, everyone wanted to prove his theory to be correct. After 100 years of digging, we have 5 questionable samples. This is the embarrassing pink elephant that most evolutionists choose to ignore. My argument can rest on that fact alone. Evolution is wrong. Abrupt change is the answer to the absence of a fossil recording evolutionary change. Abrupt change is the ONLY answer to the silence of the fossil record. And I'm sure you would agree with me that it makes for good science fiction (read beginning of X-Men), but good science it does not make. Almost as believable as the idea that God created everything, huh?

Natural selection not a theory, it is an obserable fact. Species can and do change within their kind to adapt to their environment. Look at all the different kinds of dogs we have, they all came from a dog. From Great Danes to Chihuahuas. They did not come from a rock. Kinds of animals do not naturally select into different kinds of animals.

I want you to look up the book "Darwin's Black Box" by Micheal Behe. It takes a conjecture found in Darwin's book and exposes the theory as being false. In a nutshell Darwin states that all components of living systems evolved from simpler systems and if there was found a system that couldn't subscribe to this, then the house of cards would fall. Behe writes about 3 such "irreducibly complex" systems in the human body, thus answering Darwin and putting to rest the argument.

I am surrounded by blind evolutionist who refuse to let go of their belief system because they were told it was truth since they were CHILDREN. Honestly SmokingDVM, I understand that you were brought up to believe evolution, as I was, but can you for just a second put aside your biases and "try" to view it from a creationist standpoint? It will open your eyes.

[cigar no baka]

Religion + Politics = Bad for Cigarsmokers.com

Yea but some people never get the message, even when they get a temporary ban. Just here to stir up shit.

[The Korean]

LET IT GO!

[nhcigarfan]

In general

[SmokinDVM]

Yea but some people never get the message, even when they get a temporary ban. Just here to stir up shit.

And some people here are shit.

[bgmark2]

thankyou...phew did not want this one...

[bgmark2]

opps got lost