Is Online Age Verification a Good Thing for the Industry?

[CoventryCat86]

It doesn’t work off cookies or care what computer you use it verifies each transaction base on the information inputted and I assume if you’re 18 or over your on file and can be verified.

However, on the other hand, THIS has quite a few spelling and gramatical errors.

First off, you forgot to put a period after "you use" and "it" These are two different sentences.

It's "based" not "base."

It's "you're" not "your." What makes this error pathetic was you had it right the first time when you said "you're 18" but then screwed the pooch with the "over your."

BTW, you really need a comma between "over" and "your(sic)."

Hard for me to take a salesman seriously when he can't speak or write.

[prophetic_joe]

Threadjack:

CC come to chat man, or clean out your pm box.

Sorry for the interuption.

JackOff:

[Iced T]

I'm 20 and routinely visit my local smoke shop, but almost all the online retailers I have visited say that you have to be 21 to do anything. This includes some brand websites that prohibit anyone under 21 from visiting (not that it really stops me). I guess they're just trying to protect themselves, but like casinos I can't go into because I'm under 21 (even though gambling is legal at 18), it annoys me. I've only got about 3 more months, and I don't drink at all.

[TheVitaleMob]

I'm 20 and routinely visit my local smoke shop, but almost all the online retailers I have visited say that you have to be 21 to do anything. This includes some brand websites that prohibit anyone under 21 from visiting (not that it really stops me). I guess they're just trying to protect themselves, but like casinos I can't go into because I'm under 21 (even though gambling is legal at 18), it annoys me. I've only got about 3 more months, and I don't drink at all.

Actually, the reason for this is that they sell alcohol to players, and are classified as bars.

[Shel]

However, on the other hand, THIS has quite a few spelling and gramatical errors.

First off, you forgot to put a period after "you use" and "it" These are two different sentences.

It's "based" not "base."

It's "you're" not "your." What makes this error pathetic was you had it right the first time when you said "you're 18" but then screwed the pooch with the "over your."

BTW, you really need a comma between "over" and "your(sic)."

Hard for me to take a salesman seriously when he can't speak or write.

I’m not fishing for contact info or leads; my company has the means to target any audience. I was only trying to gauge the response if they did and hear what you guys had to say. I am an occasional cigar smoker but wouldn’t attempt to converse on you guys level.

My original question was; (Is Online Age Verification a Good Thing for the Industry?) I believe yes, and here’s why; the credit card companies are refusing new merchant accounts for online sales of age restricted products unless the merchant has and/or uses an online age verification system and retains each transaction age verification confirmation. There is no such thing as being (grandfathered), the CC companies are saying anyone who is selling or taking orders via the Internet no matter if they are (keying In), Swiping or using a Shopping Cart will be required to use the government-issued ID database to be in compliance with age verification laws and guidelines.

A company with the initials RJ is using the same system to verify age before they will send product information or coupons.

Does this mean merchants that are selling these products will loose their merchant account tomorrow or in the next 12 months, no one knows.

How much work is it to manual check IDs, have the customer send in a copy of their DL or rely on a shipper to get an adults signature. Would it not be easier to have an online Shopping Cart that check automatically so you can get on with the business of supplying a quality product knowing you’re in compliance and bonded up to one million dollars per transaction for only .50 cent?

From reading the postings most of you are not vendor or resellers but if under age children are buying these products shouldn’t you as consumers want an age verification system be used? This is only a topic of discussion, please don't be mad at me for expressing my views.

[SuperChuck]

Would it not be easier to have an online Shopping Cart that check automatically so you can get on with the business of supplying a quality product knowing you’re in compliance and bonded up to one million dollars per transaction for only .50 cent?

If you want to gather information for your company, I suggest you LISTEN.

How does your system WORK? What is this AUTOMATIC?

[CoventryCat86]

I’m not fishing for contact info or leads; my company has the means to target any audience. I was only trying to gauge the response if they did and hear what you guys had to say. I am an occasional cigar smoker but wouldn’t attempt to converse on you guys level.

My original question was; (Is Online Age Verification a Good Thing for the Industry?) I believe yes, and here’s why; the credit card companies are refusing new merchant accounts for online sales of age restricted products unless the merchant has and/or uses an online age verification system and retains each transaction age verification confirmation. There is no such thing as being (grandfathered), the CC companies are saying anyone who is selling or taking orders via the Internet no matter if they are (keying In), Swiping or using a Shopping Cart will be required to use the government-issued ID database to be in compliance with age verification laws and guidelines.

A company with the initials RJ is using the same system to verify age before they will send product information or coupons.

Does this mean merchants that are selling these products will loose their merchant account tomorrow or in the next 12 months, no one knows.

How much work is it to manual check IDs, have the customer send in a copy of their DL or rely on a shipper to get an adults signature. Would it not be easier to have an online Shopping Cart that check automatically so you can get on with the business of supplying a quality product knowing you’re in compliance and bonded up to one million dollars per transaction for only .50 cent?

From reading the postings most of you are not vendor or resellers but if under age children are buying these products shouldn’t you as consumers want an age verification system be used? This is only a topic of discussion, please don't be mad at me for expressing my views.

This guy is simply amazing

CLICK HERE and see if you see any similarities between his post here and his post on ClubStogie.

Shel, it's PERFECTLY CLEAR YOU ARE NOT HERE TO LISTEN TO ANYONE.

So how about you just piss off and stop bothering us. As you admitted here and on ClubStogie, you have little or no interest in cigars so how 'bout you just stop wasting your time and ours?

I am sick and tired of heaing your sales pitches and continued bullshit posts.

[Lopaka]

Shel=

[CoventryCat86]

LMFAO!!

They deleted his WHOLE THREAD on ClubStogie!!!

Kinda too bad because it made for a fun read!! MANY ClubStogie members were asking "How does this work?" and this dumbass simply REFUSED to answer ANY questions and only responded with sales pitches.

[SuperChuck]

Stupid salespeople.

Shel has NO IDEA how it works. But rather than find out how it works and report back, we get a line of BS longer than my .

Funny part is, I actually AM curious how it works. If it sounds feasible, I could probably put it to good use. I have a whole BUNCH of clients that could use it to open up a floodgate of business and I could probably integrate it into one or two projects to display at trade shows.

Oh well...

[Shel]

This post can be seen in other forums.

As you’ve all have notice this service and/or product is new and there is no polished sales pitch or a simple explanation. We appreciate your comments no matter how critical.

How does it work?

In the process of create an account in the Shopping Cart the system checks age and address only and approves or puts you in a pending state.

The system or verification module checks for a match of these items in order, and stops checking when it finds a match.

1. Voter Registration
2. State ID and/or DL
3. Top three credit companies.

Additional comments and information:

“50 cents added on each of my purchases”

After reading the above post and concerns I when back and did some checking, the .50 cent Age verification is a (1 time) charge that the vendor pays. After that the customer can purchase what every they want.


”another way for companies to exploit the tobacco industry”

It would seem so on the surface but that’s the thing we’re work on. My company is in the merchant account/credit card processing business so combining that with the Age Verification Shopping Cart we should be able to putting together a package that is lower in cost and less labor. If any vendors would like to advice or comment we welcome your input.


“I don't want the state or local taxing authority to send me a nasty-gram because they found out what I've purchased because of info supplied by a third (or fourth) party.”

The individual invoices or purchasing records and/or times someone buys something is only known by the vendor and no one else. One of the important thing in our AV process is it’s done in the secure environment of the Shopping Cart (SSL) protected by your login and the store owner. It doesn’t ask for your SS and only checks age and address, in other words you could be buying anything that might need an age or an address confirmation. What or where you purchased is not stored or send through a third party. No faxing, mailing or email DLs or personal information.

The information asked is the same as a normal Shopping Cart:

First Name:
Last Name:
Date of Birth:
E-Mail Address:

Your Address
Street Address:
Post Code:
City:
State/Province:
Country:

Your Contact Information
Telephone Number:
Fax Number:

Newsletter: yes/no

Your Password
Password:
Password Confirmation:


Thanks and have a great day!