Cigarsmokers.com Box Pass Ver. 2.0

[Oblik]

This has been hashed and rehashed for over 40 years and ggiese is right, the Trading with the Enemy Act has no teeth with respect to "possession" therefore your question:

is certainlly a very interesting one but that is completely irrelevant.

It depends on the amount and your intentions. If you have a few sticks or a couple of boxes for personal consumption I don't think that the authorities would mess with you. Now if you have a room full of them and there is evidence of you selling them then that is a different story.

[CoventryCat86]

It depends on the amount and your intentions. If you have a few sticks or a couple of boxes for personal consumption I don't think that the authorities would mess with you. Now if you have a room full of them and there is evidence of you selling them then that is a different story.

And you could have a couple of hundred thousand for personal consumption (because there are people who have that many cigars in their personal possession) with no fear of being indicted for violating the "Trading with the Enemy Act"

[CoventryCat86]

Not sure what you mean by your comment that it is irrelevant . . . and this is not a jab at you personally . . . but I beleive all opinions and comments carry some relevance - especially in a forum if not in the law.

I thought it was pretty clear the first time, you posed a question:

However, how does one possess a cuban product unless he violated the "buy, sell, trade, deal in, import" prohibitions which are covered in the Act?

which I stated (or maybe didn't state clearly enough) that possession of a Cuban product is IRRELEVANT when determining if one has violated the "Trading With the Enemy Act" since as ggiese pointed out, the Trading With the Enemy Act DOES NOT make it illegal to possess Cuban products. I did NOT say your opinion was irrelevant.

[ggiese]

LMFAO Although it is getting closer to that here in California. Good thing we don't want to smoke cuban cigarrettes!

In that case, since you live in California, I would strongly suggest you better fortify your doors and windows... There IS a good chance the Cigar nazi's will be paying you a visit!!!

[Oblik]

And you could have a couple of hundred thousand for personal consumption (because there are people who have that many cigars in their personal possession) with no fear of being indicted for violating the "Trading with the Enemy Act"

This could be extreme. You may get a little crap from the government for that, purhaps they would be taken, a few months probation and a something-thousand dollar fine. Pretty much a slap on the wrist for someone who can afford a very large amout of Cuban cigars.

[CoventryCat86]

This could be extream. You may get a little crap from the government for that, purhaps they would be taken, a few months probation and a something-thousand doller fine. Pretty much a slap on the wrist for someone who can afford a very large amout of Cuban cigars.

"Extream" Good God, PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL, I thought you graduated from college. Please tell me which school so I can know NOT to recommend it to anyone.
"doller" & "purhaps" C'mon Oblik, the old "fast typing" excuse is out the window on those.

And what the hell are you talking about (I think you meant "extreme")? How would one "get a little crap from the government for that"? As ggiese and I have been explaining all along, possession of Cuban cigars is not a violation of the "Trading With the Enemy Act" can't you understand that? I guess not........

[Oblik]

spelling fixed...sorry for being such a poor speller Cat...my bad...

I would love to think that possession of Cuban product is not illegal. Pre-embargo stuff is for sure legal but if it was brought in after that then the possession is legal, I think. When it all boils down there is really knwo way to know for sure if it was pre-embargo oor not. I here waht you are saying, just wish that I had some rock solid proof. Not that I'm worried or anything...

[CoventryCat86]

spelling fixed...sorry for being such a poor speller Cat...my bad...

I would love to think that possession of Cuban product is not illegal. Pre-embargo stuff is for sure legal but if it was brought in after that then the possession is legal, I think. When it all boils down there is really knwo way to know for sure if it was pre-embargo oor not. I here waht you are saying, just wish that I had some rock solid proof. Not that I'm worried or anything...

LOL, just bustin' yer balz!! And I won't even mention the spelling problems here, okay

I understand your concern and I know it's hard to buy my arguments but based on what I know and have seen on various cigar boards and heard from other people, mere possession (even it it's a heck of a lot) won't get you in trouble. Like I said, yep it's hard to convince you of that but that's how I see it and again, I can see why you're apprehensive about taking my word for it (which is fine because you sound like you'd be less likely to get into trouble that others who are less concerned about it which is probably a good thing ).

However, using my pretty extreme example, if a person had a couple hundred thousand Cuban cigars in his possession, I'd bet that a good check of this person's finances would turn up the evidence of "Trading with the Enemy" and THAT'S what would bag him

Oh crap! I just realized something, sorry for bogging down your pass thread with all this superficial discussion. This is where I agree with Oblik (who has asked in the past to please keep a thread on a pass ON TOPIC about the pass which really is the way to go), I shoulda started another thread on the topic instead of clogging up your pass thread on this, again, sorry.......

[ggiese]

I'm going to threadjack just a bit - because it is germaine to the discussion of this pass..

Please - anyone - show me where ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the US that has been arrested (not tried or convicted) of "Possession" of Cuban Cigars. I have not seen one. I've not seen it in any of the cigar boards I've been involved in - and that would be a hot topic of discussion if it happened...

My point - I really don't think anyone has anything to worry about being arrested for "possession". I would suggest, however, that no one make a big deal out of possessing any Cubans to see if the arrest for "possession" theory works...