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**Lopaka** · 03-22-2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

Actually I doubt he would argue the point. He is the exception to the rule. Over 80% of all tv, radio, and print media is owned by large conservative corps.

The truth is Iraq is a complete debacle. It was an unnecessary war that is steadily falling into a more violent and uncontrollable situation. We're not losing the war, but we're not winning either. At best, we will be in a situation of continued occupation with ever increasing violence. Former military leaders, serving both before and after the war in Iraq began, are increasingly more vocal about the mismanagement of the war, and the inadvisability of getting involved there in the first place. The present admin was warned about the difficulties that would be encountered there, and chose to ignore all advice. Anyway, if you think that things are going as well as dumbya and his cronies report, you are proof that you get all your news from those conservative media outlets..

First I know a little more then you believe. I'm in the military. You, getting the "Inside story" from what ever media outlet you believe is telling the truth is a lie. I get much of my Intel from the people that are there and from those that are fighting the fight. Those, "leaders" and former leaders who are retired are all politicians trying to get jobs or are "expert advisors" that have jobs. You do get to Col and above without being a politician.

And I watch more then just FOXNEWS and CNN because I like to be better informed then the average bear.

Do I think GW is the best President ever, no. However, you tell me an administration that ever did anything perfect.

**Lopaka** · 03-22-2006, 10:32 PM

Sorry, that should read

You can't get to Col and above without being a politician.

**Shagaroo** · 03-22-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

They called Gore the winner, because he was. Dumbya was portrayed the winner by fox and the rest of the media, even though he had lost the popular vote, and was fighting hard against a re-count. The media campaign against Gore had people convinced that he was against a fair re-count which was just more right-wing propaganda. Eventually this all led to the republicans on the SC blocking a state ordered re-count. Something the SC should never have gotten involved in.
This entire debacle was driven by the conservative media. People drinking the kool-aid have trouble seeing through the bs though.

Crawford? No. Thankfully, the only south I've lived in is SoCal. It's a theory of mine that the high RH in the southeastern US rots the brain.

The facts disagree with you. And every group, except the democractic party, have all said it is as conclusive as it can possibly be that Gore would have lost regardless of how the votes were recounted. If you want to argue the Supreme Court should have stayed out of it, fine, I agree, but this assanine argument you call proof of a conservative media bias is not much more than low grade fertilizer. They called Gore the winner before the polls were closed. Trying to twist that to be anything other than the media trying to influence voting is ignoring common sense and logic.

**illilli** · 03-22-2006, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by SmokinDVM

Actually I doubt he would argue the point. He is the exception to the rule. Over 80% of all tv, radio, and print media is owned by large conservative corps.

The truth is Iraq is a complete debacle. It was an unnecessary war that is steadily falling into a more violent and uncontrollable situation. We're not losing the war, but we're not winning either. At best, we will be in a situation of continued occupation with ever increasing violence. Former military leaders, serving both before and after the war in Iraq began, are increasingly more vocal about the mismanagement of the war, and the inadvisability of getting involved there in the first place. The present admin was warned about the difficulties that would be encountered there, and chose to ignore all advice. Anyway, if you think that things are going as well as dumbya and his cronies report, you are proof that you get all your news from those conservative media outlets.
As far as how people refer to dumbya, I don't have, or see, a problem with them not calling him president bush. He hasn't proven himself worthy of the title. Hell, he's lucky they all don't refer to him as "that incompetent twit".

1. Back up your statement that over 80% of all tv, radio and print media is owned by large conservative corporations. If you are going to make such grandiose statements, please provide some proof.

2. Complete debacle? A complete debacle would be where all our troops were dead and OBL was elected the new dictator. Since that would be more of a debacle than the current situation, the current situaion must NOT be a complete debacle. So you are obviously telling lies and NOT the truth.

3. I guess it has been proven that the war was unnecessary? I haven't been convinced of that fact and neither have a very large number of other people. What is the proof that the war was not necessary. What? No weapons of mass destruction? Let's see...they used WOMD before and killed thousands; they thwarted U.N. inspectors and rules for years; they were happily in bed with skirting U.N. sanctions. Lastly, there is all the things the country of IRAQ was doing to assist other countries that are anti-American. Where do you think all of that unaccounted for WOMD material went? There are a lot of things that happen in the world that Joe U.S. Citizen is NOT privvy to knowing due to it's classified nature. Maybe if you actually knew all the facts, you would feel this war WAS necessary. I don't know all the facts myself; so I am NOT really qualified to determine if this war is or is not necessary. And, guess what, neither are you!

4. I personally get e-mails from both enlisted and officers stationed in IRAQ. They tell a far different story than I've ever once seen on TV or read in the paper.

I don't think this thread is really serving any purpose other to demonstrate how polarized liberals and conservatives have become. Well, we have not resorted to name-calling, so it is showing how civilized adults communicate. Thus, something good.....

I want to go on the record and let you know that I WOULD smoke a cigar with a liberal any day just as long as the conversation stayed away from politics and properly lingered on what to drink next and how important large breasts are to the future of our society.

**Lopaka** · 03-22-2006, 11:03 PM

I enjoy a good political debate. Knowing that two people are not going to change each others opinion however expressing ones thought's on a issue is fun. As long as it stays clean and we don't start slamming each other we are good. When the slamming happens, then it's done.

**hex1848** · 03-22-2006, 11:17 PM

If someone can point out how, Iraq, Al Gore and GW relate to cigars in online thesauri, then by all means continue.

**basil** · 03-23-2006, 12:50 AM

Regarding media political positioning, you're all wrong. Every one of you. Mass media, or rather, the separate companies that make up the industry develop a product. That product is you. You and every single one of your media-consuming fellow citizens are sold as a package (an audience) to companies such as Xerox, BP, Kashi, Netscape (just watched a string of ads on CNN), and many others. The larger the package, the bigger the return. So, the task of competing media companies, at the behest of management and stockholders, is to develop increasingly larger packages so they can pimp you, your family and your neighbors to the highest bidders. And then you buy the product (read: pay to get fucked) with dollars used to provide whatever swill best serves to keep us coming back to the same bat station. Make no mistake - the only thing correlating with programming is what flips your switch, measured with popularity polls, surveys, and measured by marketing teams and trend analysts. No matter what you like - Bush, the US in the UN, building a fence along the Rio Grande, whatever, groovy, just say so and the media feeds it back to you so you can be right and so you can be sold.

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**cameroncouch02** · 03-23-2006, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by basil

Regarding media political positioning, you're all wrong. Every one of you. Mass media, or rather, the separate companies that make up the industry develop a product. That product is you. You and every single one of your media-consuming fellow citizens are sold as a package (an audience) to companies such as Xerox, BP, Kashi, Netscape (just watched a string of ads on CNN), and many others. The larger the package, the bigger the return. So, the task of competing media companies, at the behest of management and stockholders, is to develop increasingly larger packages so they can pimp you, your family and your neighbors to the highest bidders. And then you buy the product (read: pay to get fucked) with dollars used to provide whatever swill best serves to keep us coming back to the same bat station. Make no mistake - the only thing correlating with programming is what flips your switch, measured with popularity polls, surveys, and measured by marketing teams and trend analysts. No matter what you like - Bush, the US in the UN, building a fence along the Rio Grande, whatever, groovy, just say so and the media feeds it back to you so you can be right and so you can be sold.

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