another brother of a BOTL lost in Iraq

[NullSmurf]

Something most civilians can't understand is the relationship between brothers in arms and that relationship in a combat environment. A BOTL on CP (stationed in Iraq) lost a comrade a few days ago and shared his experience over a Ghurka Ancient Warrior.

I was about to express my gratitude to him for serving and for his comrade's sacrifice for us all, when I recalled the rallies for illegal immegrants scheduled for this Monday. The have every right to ASK for legal status and for the opportunity to earn citizenship, but they have NO RIGHT to DEMAND anything outside of basic human rights. Our young men did not and are not dying for someone to bully his way into our country so he can demand citizenship. Now I hear our National Anthem in Spanish on the radio. This just isn't right.
Its time.

[Newfie]

Something most civilians can't understand is the relationship between brothers in arms and that relationship in a combat environment.

Bruce, I can only imagine what you guys go through. No, the vast majority of us DON'T know.

The have every right to ASK for legal status and for the opportunity to earn citizenship, but they have NO RIGHT to DEMAND anything outside of basic human rights. Our young men did not and are not dying for someone to bully his way into our country so he can demand citizenship. Now I hear our National Anthem in Spanish on the radio. This just isn't right.

I think my father said it best "You're God Damned right". Every day, EVERY F ING DAY I read and hear more and more about people from countries (that shall go un-named) saying we aren't recognizing their rights. There are many people who emigrate to North America from the land of their birth, and they are value added and make sure they fit in to society. As far as I'm concerned, the rest can fuck off.

Take care of you and your's over there Bro. Stay well, and come home soon.

NOTE:

Another board I used to frequent had a smiley saluting and holding an American flag. No, I'm not American, but imagine it inserted here.

[SuperChuck]

Every day, EVERY F ING DAY I read and hear more and more about people from countries (that shall go un-named) saying we aren't recognizing their rights. There are many people who emigrate to North America from the land of their birth, and they are value added and make sure they fit in to society. As far as I'm concerned, the rest can fuck off.

Hey, Newfie, they're not talking about French immigrants...

I personally haven't heard anyone "demanding" a "right" to be here... I hear a lot of people asking not to be deported...

And try to bear in mind that 7% of our fighting force is foreign-born, mostly Mexican.

[NullSmurf]

Hey, Newfie, they're not talking about French immigrants...

I personally haven't heard anyone "demanding" a "right" to be here... I hear a lot of people asking not to be deported...

And try to bear in mind that 7% of our fighting force is foreign-born, mostly Mexican.

True that there are many Mexican nationals serving in our armed forces. However, you will NOT find one that entered the country illegally. In my opinion, any foreign national willing to fight and die for the USA is worthy of immediate citizenship.

As to illegal immigrants demanding the right to be here, look out your window today. Watch ANY television news today. Read any newspaper. There are about 75 thousand Hispanics near downtown Denver today saying exactly that.

[cigar no baka]

I agree, any legal immigrant who signs up for service in our armed forces and serves their term faithfully should be on a fast track for citizenship.

But what truly angers me is the illegals. They are trying to force the issue with our lily-livered politicians who are pandering to ILLEGALS. I won't be voting until a party takes a stand against illegal immigration, cracks down on the border, cracks down on employers who employ illegals,and puts such an onerous burden on illegals here that they will start returning on their own. Let's tax all money sent to Mexico 30-40%. Let's get national ID cards finally. Let's require all law enforcement to either enforce the laws of the United States or lose all federal funding. Lets build some detention centers to hold the illegals we catch and make the host country pay us for sending them back home. Lets shut down the border in a smart, efficient way - more staff, plenty of technology to solve the problem.

No country can survive such a challenge to its sovereignty. America is doomed unless we do something and do it soon to protect our national identity.

[FlowerBasketExpress2005]

I agree, any legal immigrant who signs up for service in our armed forces and serves their term faithfully should be on a fast track for citizenship.

But what truly angers me is the illegals. They are trying to force the issue with our lily-livered politicians who are pandering to ILLEGALS. I won't be voting until a party takes a stand against illegal immigration, cracks down on the border, cracks down on employers who employ illegals,and puts such an onerous burden on illegals here that they will start returning on their own. Let's tax all money sent to Mexico 30-40%. Let's get national ID cards finally. Let's require all law enforcement to either enforce the laws of the United States or lose all federal funding. Lets build some detention centers to hold the illegals we catch and make the host country pay us for sending them back home. Lets shut down the border in a smart, efficient way - more staff, plenty of technology to solve the problem.

No country can survive such a challenge to its sovereignty. America is doomed unless we do something and do it soon to protect our national identity.

Maybe we should put mexican flags on their sleeves so they can easily be identified. While we are at it, perhaps tattoos with serial numbers or maybe chip implants.

[SuperChuck]

Illegal immigration is kind of a tough topic, which is why so many politicians are having such a hard time with it.

I don't think we should be closing our borders to people who want to come here to work. THAT is the American way. When my family came over, they were looking for a better life for their family. They came over and worked on farms. My grandfather was a bagger at the local grocery store when he enlisted.

Bitching and moaning that the Mexicans are taking your job away only means you didn't take advantage of the free education you were given. If Pedro is going to clean pools for half of what you will, you can accept less money or find something else to do, that's how a free-market economy works.

At the same time, you don't want to grant amnesty to illegals. You want to reward those who are doing it the right way. But you don't want to kick someone out of country because they broke the rules in order to help their family, either. Do you prosecute someone who steals a loaf of bread to feed his children? That's a tough call...

[SmokinDVM]

The combination of illegal aliens and the employers who break the law by hiring them is where the problem is. The politicians don't really want the problem fixed or they would enforce the laws already in place.
The effect of having these illegal workers here is it brings down the wages of all workers in this Country. The people in this Country worked hard to bring the standard of living up to one of the best in the World. Now we have a corporate and political pairing that's bent on destroying that standard.

If the politicians had any balls, they would institute a fine of at least $30k for every illegal alien an employer hires, and enforce the fines.
They would also level the trade deficit field by, for example, taking a companies goods that are produced in a Country that pays its workers 30% less than here, and charge a 30% tariff on their goods imported and sold in the US. Free trade agreements don't raise the workers wages and conditions in other countries up, it lowers them in our Country.